This One's For You Pax!

[mlewinth]

I really hope that John Paxson is enjoying every second of this series. I feel that Paxson has been an amazing GM and during last season and the begining of this season, he got RIPPED. So many assholes tried to call for Paxson to be thrown outta town. Fred and I went to a lunch with Pax a year ago and Pax looked on the verge of jumping off a bridge. I went up to him after the lunch and just said "I just want you to know, I think you have done a great job here".

You could tell the dude was effected by all the media pressure. Paxson has lost all his hair in the last year. He looks about 50 years older now, then he did 2 years ago and he always looks pissed off. He also almost had a trade deadline breakdown and resigned!

I wanna make it clear that no matter how much I have questioned the team, at any point, I have NEVER questioned Pax. Hindsight is 20-20 and I have agreed with almost all of his moves at the time the move was made. I agreed with paying Deng last offseason (for many reasons, I won't get into now....obviously hindsight is 20/20). I agreed with the Wallace signing. The only move I personally didn't agree with was Tyrus at the time, it was made (i wanted Roy or Aldridge). However, I will give Pax the benefit of the doubt because we were HORRIBLE when he took over and he had us in the playoffs within 2 years of his arrival,riding his draft pics. Those pics he made in 03-04 that made our old (so called) "core" are the same picks making a big difference in this series and in series, past. Good work Pax and lets thank the lord one more time for Rose.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

If I ever met Paxson I would thank him for bringing us back to the playoffs. I never got a chance to see him play as I didnt get into basketball till late 94 but he is up there as one of my favorite Bulls. I hope he stays with this organization forever like Magic has with the Lakers.

 

[Rose1]

Bull-donkie. Paxson hasn't done nothing but make that Salmons and Miller trade. I don't think he needs help drafting Rose - that's simple. I'm not a fan. I still think he should of took Aldridge and Hawes. Though, I have grown to see Noah has potential to be something unusual and special once he gets a stronger lower and upper body to complements his fundamentals. And I grew up around Derrick "Pooh" Rose - whom my sister played ball with at Murray all the time - and feel Paxson should of been confirmed his endorsement instead of playing a mind game with the whole Englewood area.

 

[mlewinth]

Rose1 wrote:

And I grew up around Derrick "Pooh" Rose - whom my sister played ball with at Murray all the time - and feel Paxson should of been confirmed his endorsement instead of playing a mind game with the whole Englewood area.

What the hell are you talking about? You lost me...

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Rose1 wrote:

Bull-donkie. Paxson hasn't done nothing but make that Salmons and Miller trade. I don't think he needs help drafting Rose - that's simple. I'm not a fan. I still think he should of took Aldridge and Hawes. Though, I have grown to see Noah has potential to be something unusual and special once he gets a stronger lower and upper body to complements his fundamentals. And I grew up around Derrick "Pooh" Rose - whom my sister played ball with at Murray all the time - and feel Paxson should of been confirmed his endorsement instead of playing a mind game with the whole Englewood area.

This in no way is meant to offend you, but how old you? My guess is 15. You seem like a younger bulls fan.


How can you say he hasnt done nothing?

2003: Kirk, brought back Pippen to a franchise that made him (feel good deal)
2004: BG, Deng
2006: Ben Wallace at the time was a huge signing
2007: Joakim Noah
2008: Derrick Rose

Hired Scott Skiles

4 playoff appearences

etc.

Paxson is the man

 

[Rose1]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

Bull-donkie. Paxson hasn't done nothing but make that Salmons and Miller trade. I don't think he needs help drafting Rose - that's simple. I'm not a fan. I still think he should of took Aldridge and Hawes. Though, I have grown to see Noah has potential to be something unusual and special once he gets a stronger lower and upper body to complements his fundamentals. And I grew up around Derrick "Pooh" Rose - whom my sister played ball with at Murray all the time - and feel Paxson should of been confirmed his endorsement instead of playing a mind game with the whole Englewood area.

This in no way is meant to offend you, but how old you? My guess is 15. You seem like a younger bulls fan.


How can you say he hasnt done nothing?

2003: Kirk, brought back Pippen to a franchise that made him (feel good deal)
2004: BG, Deng
2006: Ben Wallace at the time was a huge signing
2007: Joakim Noah
2008: Derrick Rose

Hired Scott Skiles

4 playoff appearences

etc.

Paxson is the man

I'm 18 and I don't see one player on there - exception of Rose - that has a confident guaranteed future in terms of Bulls regard. Did they get us into the post-season... no, if it wasn't for Rose, we wouldn't be here.

 

[mlewinth]

We were there without Rose. We made the playoffs 3 years in a row without Rose.

 

[Rose1]

mlewinth wrote:

We were there without Rose. We made the playoffs 3 years in a row without Rose.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no

 

[Rose1]

Seriously, Bulls need a new GM because for some apparent reason I feel Gar or Pax will do something that will result us to take a step back this off-season. Sign BG and draft Patrick Patterson along with Austin Daye.

 

[sabixx]

sorry, but theres no reason to be patting paxson on the back,at all.

this is for Red and Norm.

 

[Diddy1122]

Rose1 wrote:

mlewinth wrote:

We were there without Rose. We made the playoffs 3 years in a row without Rose.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no

Were u in a cave the last 5 years or something? We made the playoffs in 05, 06, & 07, all without Rose.

Lemme guess. You just started watching the Bulls this season and you're 8.

 

[sabixx]

Diddy1122 wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

mlewinth wrote:

We were there without Rose. We made the playoffs 3 years in a row without Rose.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no

Were u in a cave the last 5 years or something? We made the playoffs in 05, 06, & 07, all without Rose.

Lemme guess. You just started watching the Bulls this season and you're 8.

Why are you being such a jerk?

 

[mlewinth]

Rose1 wrote:

Seriously, Bulls need a new GM because for some apparent reason I feel Gar or Pax will do something that will result us to take a step back this off-season. Sign BG and draft Patrick Patterson along with Austin Daye.

Ooook. Yea... so it's obvious your a new Bulls fan, who needs a little education. Here are a couple training videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxmwVmOEqM

 

[Diddy1122]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

Bull-donkie. Paxson hasn't done nothing but make that Salmons and Miller trade. I don't think he needs help drafting Rose - that's simple. I'm not a fan. I still think he should of took Aldridge and Hawes. Though, I have grown to see Noah has potential to be something unusual and special once he gets a stronger lower and upper body to complements his fundamentals. And I grew up around Derrick "Pooh" Rose - whom my sister played ball with at Murray all the time - and feel Paxson should of been confirmed his endorsement instead of playing a mind game with the whole Englewood area.

This in no way is meant to offend you, but how old you? My guess is 15. You seem like a younger bulls fan.


How can you say he hasnt done nothing?

2003: Kirk, brought back Pippen to a franchise that made him (feel good deal)
2004: BG, Deng
2006: Ben Wallace at the time was a huge signing
2007: Joakim Noah
2008: Derrick Rose

Hired Scott Skiles

4 playoff appearences

etc.

Paxson is the man

Well, unfortunately Newskool, some people just see what in front and never the side or the rear.

Paxson has done nothing but good for this organization and it has really pained me some of the criticisms he has had to endure from drones across Chicagoland. This guy took us from the abosolute sewer and brought us back into respectability.

After Jordan, before Pax:
Record: 96-282

Since Pax:
Record: 234-258

And alot of the losses came in just 2 seasons. 4 playoff appearances in 6 seasons after being the laughing stock of the league. I will forever stick by my man Pax, who won us a 3rd NBA Championship from beyond the arc.

It's a shame you didn't witness that live Newskool.

 

[Diddy1122]

sabixx wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

mlewinth wrote:

We were there without Rose. We made the playoffs 3 years in a row without Rose.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no

Were u in a cave the last 5 years or something? We made the playoffs in 05, 06, & 07, all without Rose.

Lemme guess. You just started watching the Bulls this season and you're 8.

Why are you being such a jerk?

I'm not tryin to be a jerk but Did u see his response to mlewinth? It's seriously mindboggling.

 

[sabixx]

Diddy1122 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

Bull-donkie. Paxson hasn't done nothing but make that Salmons and Miller trade. I don't think he needs help drafting Rose - that's simple. I'm not a fan. I still think he should of took Aldridge and Hawes. Though, I have grown to see Noah has potential to be something unusual and special once he gets a stronger lower and upper body to complements his fundamentals. And I grew up around Derrick "Pooh" Rose - whom my sister played ball with at Murray all the time - and feel Paxson should of been confirmed his endorsement instead of playing a mind game with the whole Englewood area.

This in no way is meant to offend you, but how old you? My guess is 15. You seem like a younger bulls fan.


How can you say he hasnt done nothing?

2003: Kirk, brought back Pippen to a franchise that made him (feel good deal)
2004: BG, Deng
2006: Ben Wallace at the time was a huge signing
2007: Joakim Noah
2008: Derrick Rose

Hired Scott Skiles

4 playoff appearences

etc.

Paxson is the man

Well, unfortunately Newskool, some people just see what in front and never the side or the rear.

Paxson has done nothing but good for this organization and it has really pained me some of the criticisms he has had to endure from drones across Chicagoland. This guy took us from the abosolute sewer and brought us back into respectability.

After Jordan, before Pax:
Record: 96-282

Since Pax:
Record: 234-258

And alot of the losses came in just 2 seasons. 4 playoff appearances in 6 seasons after being the laughing stock of the league. I will forever stick by my man Pax, who won us a 3rd NBA Championship from beyond the arc.

It's a shame you didn't witness that live Newskool.

why are you bringing up that shot in a argument about his GM skills? it makes your opinion seem completely bias and invalid. you're also coming off as elitist jerk, if he is a new bulls fan, why treat him like this? to make him leave? I don't get it, if you want to disagree,disagree, theres no need to be such a jerk.

"This guy took us from the abosolute sewer and brought us back into respectability."

Yes, and then he let us go right back to the sewer, and if it wasn't for one of the luckiest bounces of a ping pong ball ever, we'd still be there.

Paxson was great for bringing us out of the gutter, but that ship has sailed,and its what have you done for me lately. he doesn't get credit for Miller or Salmons, that was merely a give away by the kings, it did allow us to get rid of Nochs terrible contract, but who gave him that contract?

"I'm not tryin to be a jerk but Did u see his response to mlewinth? It's seriously mindboggling."

so educate him, theres no need to act like a 8 year old.

 

[Diddy1122]

sabixx wrote:
why are you bringing up that shot in a argument about his GM skills? it makes your opinion seem completely bias and invalid. you're also coming off as elitist jerk, if he is a new bulls fan, why treat him like this? to make him leave? I don't get it, if you want to disagree,disagree, theres no need to be such a jerk.

"This guy took us from the abosolute sewer and brought us back into respectability."

Yes, and then he let us go right back to the sewer, and if it wasn't for one of the luckiest bounces of a ping pong ball ever, we'd still be there.

Paxson was great for bringing us out of the gutter, but that ship has sailed,and its what have you done for me lately. he doesn't get credit for Miller or Salmons, that was merely a give away by the kings, it did allow us to get rid of Nochs terrible contract, but who gave him that contract?

"I'm not tryin to be a jerk but Did u see his response to mlewinth? It's seriously mindboggling."

so educate him, theres no need to act like a 8 year old.[/quote]

So three of us are on here trying to educate him with facts and I'm the jerk. I wasn't aware I was acting like such a small child. I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

But see it's comments like "he doesn't get credit for Miller or Salmons, that was merely a give away by the Kings" that make no sense to me.

Who gets credit then? Reinsdorf? The Maloof Bros? There were several playoff teams vying for Salmons, the Spurs, the Cavs, he didn't just drop into Pax's lap. He had to come up with a good offer and he did. And he brought in two players who fit the mold of this team, and have got us 1 win away from the 2nd round.

1 bad season is not back in the sewer. Watching the Bulls before Pax was an absolute chore and now watching Bulls games are a joy.

 

[J-Mart]

Anyone who says after this series/end of season that we should have drafted Hawes is a moron. I stand by Diddy's comment.

 

[??? ??????]

I don't really have a problem with Paxson. Since he's taken over, I'll sign off on all his picks except that idiotic 2006 draft.

In 2003, I can't really attempt to compare myself to Paxson here. Dwyane Wade was my guy and I thought the Bulls were going to get him. If a trade for the #4 pick was truly on the table for Marshall and #7, then shame on Pax. But I wouldn't be shocked if that was never available. Hinrich was a solid pick. I guess an argument can be made for West, Perkins, or Barbosa over Kirk, but those are all arguable, and not slam dunks.

2004, Luol Deng was my man. Then when we got the second pick, I wanted to take a shot at that high school big man that was averaging 42 points a game....Al Jefferson. Jefferson was just a shot in the pan pick, see if his potential pans out, as he had a good body, but Luol Deng was the meat of the draft for me, and Paxson delivered. And that Ben Gordon guy has turned out pretty good, I would say arguably the second best player from the draft, right up there with Devin Harris and Al Jefferson. Can't really complain here.

2006 I was in direct opposition of Paxson. I wanted Aldridge, and he picked Tyrus Thomas, who I thought was a complete idiot, and a complete disaster pick at the time. Thomas hasn't turned out to be a complete bust, and may still end up being better than Aldridge...but Thomas isn't exactly lighting it up.

2007, I wanted Noah and Noah we got. The second half of this season and the playoffs are enough to justify this pick.

2008, I wanted Beasley, he took Rose. The juries still out on this one, with Rose being the better initial player. I think Beasley probably would have had a better year if he was here than in Miami. Miami was a bad fit for him, at least on the court. In the early going, Paxson was right here.

Ben Wallace signing in 2006 was the right move, as we seemed like we could make the jump to championship contender and we almost did. The mistake was trading Chandler away after the signing, and that screamed of a Reinsdorf decision. Who knows, with Wallace AND Chandler, we may have been able to get past the Pistons, and maybe the Cavs as well.

John Salmons and Brad Miller trade, after the Amare trade fell through, was a no brainer.

Luol Deng signing was logical. Not necessarily the amount, but that's only because they used the luxury tax against Gordon. Otherwise, I could care less what the organization pays a guy, as it's not my money.

Even if we let Gordon walk, that will reak of a Reinsdorf move, as John Paxson loves Gordon.

I just find it hard to put much blame on Paxson given how limited he is by Reinsdorf.

 

[Diddy1122]

J-Mart wrote:

Anyone who says after this series/end of season that we should have drafted Hawes is a moron. I stand by Diddy's comment.

Thank you, J-Mart.