Time for Bulls to friend the refs?

[nwfisch]

Here ya go everyone who likes to blame the officials. Time for Bulls to friend the refs? - DailyHerald.com

 

[Glide2keva]

So Joakim Noah having a foul on him before an official play is even run essentially putting him in foul trouble from the beginning had no effect at all?

The Bulls having 5 fouls in one quarter with 8:45 to go (essentially Miami free points for every foul) had no effect at all.

Them calling touch fouls on the Bulls while not calling obvious fouls and travels and offensive fouls, moving screens for Miami had no effect all.

Yeah, it's not on the refs at all.

I'm putting it all on them but after game 1, they have been favoring Miami. And don't tell me that is because they are playing more aggressive, because they aren't. The Bulls are playing just as aggressive as Miami. They are attacking the basket as much as Miami is, they just aren't getting touch fouls that Miami is getting.

The other side is FT's. Not every foul leads to FT's so this is not a real indicator, though when you look at them in games, you'd think Miami is attacking harder and they aren't.

They are getting the lebron and Wade calls which isn't right.

 

[nwfisch]

So Joakim Noah having a foul on him before an official play is even run essentially putting him in foul trouble from the beginning had no effect at all?

The Bulls having 5 fouls in one quarter with 8:45 to go (essentially Miami free points for every foul) had no effect at all.

Them calling touch fouls on the Bulls while not calling obvious fouls and travels and offensive fouls, moving screens for Miami had no effect all.

Yeah, it's not on the refs at all.

They're professional athletes, they have to be better than letting first quarter calls affect the way they play and their energy.

I'm sure 3 or 4 of them were.

There have been calls that went both ways.

When will you admit that Miami has been the better team the last 3 games.

 

[Glide2keva]

They were the better team in Game 4. That's the only game I will give them.

And it's hard to play aggressive when you get a foul 6 seconds into the game. You're starting the game in foul trouble, that does effect the way you play.

I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

 

[nwfisch]

They were the better team in Game 4. That's the only game I will give them.

And it's hard to play aggressive when you get a foul 6 seconds into the game. You're starting the game in foul trouble, that does effect the way you play.

I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

It did affect the way Noah played, but it shouldn't have. That wasn't the ultimate reason the Bulls lost.

 

[Glide2keva]

It did affect the way Noah played, but it shouldn't have. That wasn't the ultimate reason the Bulls lost.

Wow, so he's supposed to go out there and play hard with one foul on him without an official play being run 6 seconds into the game, knowing his next foul (which should've been his first) is going to get him sent to the bench?

Okay.

 

[clonetrooper264]

It did affect the way Noah played, but it shouldn't have. That wasn't the ultimate reason the Bulls lost.

But you have to understand that as a basketball player getting a foul before anything really happens is going to affect how you play. The next foul you get essentially takes you out of the game. Therefore a foul that you might normally give on a drive or something you might not be willing to give since that takes you out of the game. It makes you less aggressive, and for players like Noah who are prone to getting a few dicey calls called against them, it takes them out of their flow. It's not their fault, it's just something that subconsciously happens.

 

[Glide2keva]

But you have to understand that as a basketball player getting a foul before anything really happens is going to affect how you play. The next foul you get essentially takes you out of the game. Therefore a foul that you might normally give on a drive or something you might not be willing to give since that takes you out of the game. It makes you less aggressive, and for players like Noah who are prone to getting a few dicey calls called against them, it takes them out of their flow. It's not their fault, it's just something that subconsciously happens.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

Glad I'm not on an island by myself.

 

[nwfisch]

But you have to understand that as a basketball player getting a foul before anything really happens is going to affect how you play. The next foul you get essentially takes you out of the game. Therefore a foul that you might normally give on a drive or something you might not be willing to give since that takes you out of the game. It makes you less aggressive, and for players like Noah who are prone to getting a few dicey calls called against them, it takes them out of their flow. It's not their fault, it's just something that subconsciously happens.

I do understand, ideally it shouldn't of affected his play, but it did. That's not the reason the Bulls lost the game in the FOURTH QUARTER

 

[Glide2keva]

I do understand, ideally it shouldn't of affected his play, but it did. That's not the reason the Bulls lost the game in the FOURTH QUARTER

Two words: Foul trouble. It affects the way you play whether you think so or not.

 

[Glide2keva]

I do understand, ideally it shouldn't of affected his play, but it did. That's not the reason the Bulls lost the game in the FOURTH QUARTER

Two words: Foul trouble. It affects the way you play whether you think so or not.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I do understand, ideally it shouldn't of affected his play, but it did. That's not the reason the Bulls lost the game in the FOURTH QUARTER

I will give you that, but who knows what would've happened if he had played at the top of his game for his usual first half minutes. We might not have lost in the fourth. But it's all woulda coulda shoulda now. I agree that losing in the fourth has nothing to do with what happened in the first half, but maybe we wouldn't have been in that position in the first place.

 

[nwfisch]

Two words: Foul trouble. It affects the way you play whether you think so or not.

I admitted it did. I said it.

I do understand, ideally it shouldn't of affected his play, but it did.

If I'm not mistaken, the Bulls led each game at some point in the 4th quarter.
Rose scoring 4 pts. each game in the fourth quarter isn't a reason the Bulls lost huh? Boozer not playing defense. Korver not hitting shots? Noah not playing the same since Game 1?

There is a lot of blame to be had on the Bulls first before blaming officials.

 

[Glide2keva]

I will give you that, but who knows what would've happened if he had played at the top of his game for his usual first half minutes. We might not have lost in the fourth. But it's all woulda coulda shoulda now. I agree that losing in the fourth has nothing to do with what happened in the first half, but maybe we wouldn't have been in that position in the first place.

And that's what I am getting at.

 

[Glide2keva]

I admitted it did. I said it.

If I'm not mistaken, the Bulls led each game at some point in the 4th quarter.
Rose scoring 4 pts. each game in the fourth quarter isn't a reason the Bulls lost huh? Boozer not playing defense. Korver not hitting shots? Noah not playing the same since Game 1?

There is a lot of blame to be had on the Bulls first before blaming officials.

I didn't say that. I said Rose needs to show up in the 4th in numerous other posts. He wasn't getting any calls unless he hit the deck.

Aside from that, he stopped attacking and I feel like he felt that he wasn't going to get the call so he tried to shoot and that didn't work because it played into Miami's defensive strategy against him.

He has to force the issue.

Korver not hitting shots is a major factor. Noah getting touch fouls affects his play. Boozer needs to stop getting stupid push off fouls on a rebound. I'm not blaming the refs for these losses entirely, but to act like they don't affect the game is being blind.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I admitted it did. I said it.

If I'm not mistaken, the Bulls led each game at some point in the 4th quarter.
Rose scoring 4 pts. each game in the fourth quarter isn't a reason the Bulls lost huh? Boozer not playing defense. Korver not hitting shots? Noah not playing the same since Game 1?

There is a lot of blame to be had on the Bulls first before blaming officials.

Again, game 4 was a perfect example of the Bulls just simply failing. Rose had 2 straight misses in the end of the fourth and we as a team had several stupid TOs in OT. But at the same time, there was that ridiculous stat where we should like 27 free throws and the Heat shot near 40. Now I know Miami is an aggressive team who's going to get to the line (meaning they have the big 3), but near 40 free throws is ridiculous, even for an OT game, especially when we didn't have 30. Now part of that is on us for not driving to the basket to draw fouls, but seriously, we're not that tentative.

 

[nwfisch]

I didn't say that. I said Rose needs to show up in the 4th in numerous other posts. He wasn't getting any calls unless he hit the deck.

Aside from that, he stopped attacking and I feel like he felt that he wasn't going to get the call so he tried to shoot and that didn't work because it played into Miami's defensive strategy against him.

He has to force the issue.

Korver not hitting shots is a major factor. Noah getting touch fouls affects his play. Boozer needs to stop getting stupid push off fouls on a rebound. I'm not blaming the refs for these losses entirely, but to act like they don't affect the game is being blind.

You didn't say what?

Agree

Agree

Agree with bold. They do affect the game, but not by 10 points to

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Cost the Bulls 3 wins.

 

[Glide2keva]

You didn't say what?

Agree

Agree

Agree with bold. They do affect the game, but not by 10 points to

The 10 point losses come after the game has been decided essentially and it's pretty much garbage time in the last minute or so. It's not like they are having 10 point leads going into the 4th, and holding it all quarter. If that was the case, I'd have no complaints.

 

[houheffna]

Stop with this ref crap! The Bulls have lost 3 games in a row because of Miami's defense and the Bulls porous offense. Guys are missing open shots and Lebron is shutting down and dominating Rose. Plain and simple. I expected Rose to play better. He has had a horrible series offensively. He is tentative, he turns the ball over, and hasn't played like an MVP. Call a spade a spade.

People want to act like touch fouls haven't been called on the Heat? Why would the refs single out Noah? Why say "Lets mess with Noah for a whole series"? What sense does that make?

The Heat are the best team in this series mainly because Lebron is the best player in this series...he is two times better than anyone else playing out there, and is putting in work. Give credit where credit is due.

I had to hear about how this guy didn't put in work and how he is lazy and doesn't work on his game. Can anyone name a better perimeter defending performance? Can anyone say this isn't the best player in the league? That is why the Bulls are losing. Rose should have stepped his game up. Don't blame the refs for his mistakes. Some of the other Bulls players should have been more consistent. Its on them, its on Thibs...its on the Bulls.