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**** yeah, bitches. Don't even start with that whole "They are ruining my childhood movies" crap.

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I will probably watch this in theater. I don't remember the last time I did that.
 

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As a kid, i loved the cartoon but was never into the movies. Might have to watch to see if I appreciate them more now.
 

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I'm a day-1 TMNT fan(I still have my original TMNT #1,2,3,4 issues, and the Archie ones too, but I mean the original Mirage first printing originals. :shrug: It has nothing to do with ruining childhood, it has everything to do with the fundamentals of what makes TMNT unique. And Michael Bay sucked all of the originality out of TMNT, only to make it as genre cliche as possible. Basically preying on stupid consumers because of a franchise name to sell movies, instead of actually giving TMNT the big budget that it deserves to make it great. AKA the modern-day Hollywood reboot for bucks written by marketing departments and executives, not by artists and visionaries.

It's like saying A New Hope is the best Star Wars movie.

I've written about this before, and I'll do it again I guess. There are certain characteristics about TMNT that make them great. These characteristics are consistent with the comics, the cartoon, the movies(for the most part), and that is why they are great.

The turtles are great because of very specific characteristics.

#1. They are active Teenagers, behave like teenagers, and all 4 have different characteristics. They are built like human teenagers as well, which is why people can relate to them.

#2. They are a PARODY of the comic industry creating mutants out of thin air. They are meant to be stupid and funny, but at the same time, highly skilled and trained ninjas.

#3. They are not a "save the world" super hero. This is what sets them apart from other comic heroes. They are more like Dexter(TV show) but with full emotions, less like X-Men.

#4. Their influence comes from a Ninja Rat who is a renaissance art lover. Something that was also a comedic conflict of personalities at the time, because most ninja artistic influences were Japanese. And if you read the original comics, the influences show how Splinter acts, how he passes this onto his students, and what makes him different than your cliche dojo sensei.

#5. They are mutants because of industrial waste. Even then they used this as a small protest of how corporations and government try to hide these things, as well as expressed the corruption quite nicely. Thus making a sub-culture of enemies and allies to build on.

#6. They live in the sewers. Because kids were being blamed for strange species in NYC sewers for whatever reason at the time. This was a joke, because all 4 turtles and splinter were previously pets.

#7. April is a highly intelligent science nerd. She was a lab assistant, and became a journalist because she had inside information on the turtles, since they saved her and became friends. This is also a parody on Peter Parker and Clark Kent, because both are terrible at their day job, but get inside information that keeps them around.

#8. Shredder is a character inspired by, and named after a food grater. His whole weapon and armor design is based on a grater, which was and still is a feared kitchen tool for kids helping their parents prepare food. He's the younger brother of Splinter's mentor.

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#9 The foot clan was mocking the portrayal of street gangs, and this vision at the time that regular people and cops could not compete with inner city gangs, because the media built them up to have some kind of super power and advantage over cops and civilians. Therefore the foot were super trained assassin ninjas, which by some perception, made them untouchable.

Now, before anyone breaks down the quote ans says Michael Bay did not derive from any of the characteristics that I mentioned, just keep in mind, I am posting those 8 characteristics as a general guideline for what TMNT is. Whatever Bay does, I really don't know yet. But I have good reason to believe half of those were thrown away completely.
 
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Well, it's a good thing you are going into it with an open mind... /s

No offense, but you sound like a hipster TMNT lover... "I liked them before they were cool". For something that's supposed to be a parody, it sure sounds like you take it seriously.

I like the TMNT for the same reason most do: it was a great cartoon, video game(s), movie(s), toys, and was a big part of my childhood.

PS, I'm not trying to start a nerd war.
 

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I have absolutely zero faith that Bay will ever produce anything even remotely worth seeing. It's a shame he is the one entrusted with reviving so many mainstays of '80s culture.
 

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Im hoping for the best, but Michael bay turns gold into crap & wine into water. Watching the trailer has me thinking it will be more of the same.

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Well, it's a good thing you are going into it with an open mind... /s

No offense, but you sound like a hipster TMNT lover... "I liked them before they were cool". For something that's supposed to be a parody, it sure sounds like you take it seriously.

I like the TMNT for the same reason most do: it was a great cartoon, video game(s), movie(s), toys, and was a big part of my childhood.

I'm being objective on a subjective topic. What I point out are the features of what sets TMNT apart from everything else. This TMNT movie is preying on childhood fans, milking the franchise name, and basically pulling a bait and switch on people. If you're a fan of the "cartoon, video game(s), movie(s), toys", then maybe you would see that too.
 

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I'm being objective on a subjective topic. What I point out are the features of what sets TMNT apart from everything else. This TMNT movie is preying on childhood fans, milking the franchise name, and basically pulling a bait and switch on people. If you're a fan of the "cartoon, video game(s), movie(s), toys", then maybe you would see that too.

Well maybe I will see that once the movie actually comes out. But for now, I choose to remain optimistic about the potential of a modern TMNT movie.
 

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My only solid objection is Megan Fox as April O'Neil.

I just don't see it, America. Every time I look into her dead eyes all I can think off is a junkie stripper wearing better make-up.

I'd would've have liked to seen something like......

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My only solid objection is Megan Fox as April O'Neil.

I just don't see it, America. Every time I look into her dead eyes all I can think off is a junkie stripper wearing better make-up.

Totally agreed. Bad choice with Fox imo.
 

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April is supposed to be a regular nerd girl, very insecure and not very hot, but still good looking in a girl next door kind of way. And the Turtles give her a lot of confidence. That's why it's a special story. That's also why it's a special story when Casey Jones falls for her. See all of these details of the true story make TMNT great. People that only saw the cartoons and movies missed a huge part of a really great storyline.
 

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Suppose Bay is banging her and that's why she's in so many of his films?

Edit: And I'm not seeing Casey Jones in any of the cast/character lists. Apparently no sports-based vigilante justice this time around.
 

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I guess it depends on what you expect from a movie. Rarely are adaptations (movies, spin-offs, whatever) a direct and literal reflection of the original. Many comic book movies aren't exactly as they are "supposed to be", but neither are most movies that stem from novels or other ideas.

Sometimes you have to take the movie for what it is, a movie by itself.

And yes, I enjoy movies.
 

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A lot of adaptations are done very well. They stick to the major characteristics and they succeed. You don't see Spider-Man as some 300lb linebacker type, or Wolverine getting a whole new origin. Michael Bay is a different story, he's like that meme of the alien guy, except with movies. Everything has to be twisted to fit a brand new alien theme for him. Everything has to be exaggerated, and to keep Megan Fox quiet about aborting his kid, he needs to cast her in lead roles. This is 99% Michael Bay hate that I am very far from being alone on.
 

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