Top 10 SS in MLB?

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MLB Network did a top 10 SS list tonight. Castro was NOT on the list. While guys like Aybar and Hardy make the list.

Where would you rate him?
 

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Depending on how you feel about WAR, they weren't exactly wrong...Castro is just outside the top 10 here:

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I don't have B-Ref Play Index so if someone has it they can post the rankings for SS from there. Castro is hurt by his subpar defense (which should improve) and his low walk rate (which will hopefully also improve) or else he'd be top ten material.
 
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Does anyone know what the actual list was?

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daddies3angels said:
MLB Network did a top 10 SS list tonight. Castro was NOT on the list. While guys like Aybar and Hardy make the list.

Where would you rate him?
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Hardy was better than him last year IMO

Aybar is a much better defender but it is a toss up overall. Castro is really young though in a few years as he matures and learns the game especially defensively he should become a top 5 SS.
 

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1. Tulo
2. Reyes
3. Castro

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BTW, the MLB.com Player Preview came out yesterday and had Castro 4th behind Tulo, HanRam and Reyes, but Hanley is only there because it was aimed at fantasy leagues and he is still selectable as an SS.
 
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What were the lists criteria for the rankings? Based on career? 2011 only? Future? Etc?
 

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Here are the 3 lists

The Shredder

1. T. Tulowitzki (COL)
2. J. Reyes (MIA)
3. Y. Escobar (TOR)
4. A. Cabrera (CLE)
5. A. Ramirez (CHW)
6. S. Drew (ARI)
7. J. Peralta (DET)
8. J. Hardy (BAL)
9. E. Aybar (LAA)
10. Jeter (NYY)

Shean's List

1. Tulowitzki
2. Reyes
3. Andrus
4. Escobar
5. Cabrera
6. Castro
7. Ramirez
8. Hardy
9. Aybar
10. Rollins

Bowa's List (this really surprised me)

1. Tulowitzki
2. AYBAR
3. Reyes
4. Ramirez
5. Cabrera
6. Rollins
7. Hardy
8. Jeter
9. Gonzalez
10. Andrus

These lists are right now who are the best SS's.

I'd say Castro overall is a top 10 SS, for sure. Offensively, top 5ish. Defensively, lower third. UZR rankings from last year are pretty darn accurate on this issue, too.
 

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brett05 said:
Great point. F0r 2012 You can't take Castro, certainly not over Alexei.
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Mr. Bill James says that Castro is going to be better offensively than Alexei this season, by a moderately wide .22 margin in wOBA.

Fielding-wise, yes, Alexei is better. But Castro certainly has an argument, especially if you care about Average, OBP, etc. He is simply superior offensively, sabermetrically and otherwise.

Bill James projects a .795 OPS for Castro, and a .727 for Alexei Ramirez.

Ramirez has Castro beat on slugging and defense though.

But let's not forget that Castro did improve his defense after the all-star break and went a couple months without making an error. He was called up to be a defensive improvement over Theriot, but ended up being a bigger impact offensively.

That said, if you need a 1-year SS, you probably take Alexei. But if you are looking for a longer-term option, it is Castro by a pretty wide margin. In fact, the only way you take Alexei is if you completely ignore salary, contract details, age, future production, etc.
 

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Wrigley FireHawks said:
Mr. Bill James says that Castro is going to be better offensively than Alexei this season, by a moderately wide .22 margin in wOBA.

Fielding-wise, yes, Alexei is better. But Castro certainly has an argument, especially if you care about Average, OBP, etc. He is simply superior offensively, sabermetrically and otherwise.

Bill James projects a .795 OPS for Castro, and a .727 for Alexei Ramirez.

Ramirez has Castro beat on slugging and defense though.

But let's not forget that Castro did improve his defense after the all-star break and went a couple months without making an error. He was called up to be a defensive improvement over Theriot, but ended up being a bigger impact offensively.

That said, if you need a 1-year SS, you probably take Alexei. But if you are looking for a longer-term option, it is Castro by a pretty wide margin.
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you cant rip on CO when he argues saber, but than use it in your arguement. that makes little sense to do. just an FYI
 

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DewsSox79 said:
you cant rip on CO when he argues saber, but than use it in your arguement. that makes little sense to do. just an FYI
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I was really only using OPS and wOBA, I was referencing other things like saber and more common stats, but I wasn't trying to make a point beyond that he is projected to be superior offensively.
 

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Wrigley FireHawks said:
I was really only using OPS and wOBA, I was referencing other things like saber and more common stats, but I wasn't trying to make a point beyond that he is projected to be superior offensively.
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projections are like assholes, everyones got one. no one can state that a player is better on events that have not occured yet.
 
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DewsSox79 said:
projections are like assholes, everyones got one. no one can state that a player is better on events that have not occured yet.
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I thought those were opinions. :thinking:
 

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No way I take Castro over Alexei. Castro was a full 2 WINS worse than Alexei at defense last year. In 2010, it was about 1 1/4 of a win. Castro would have to be Tulo with the bat to be even with Alexei. Alexei is pretty much the best defensive SS in the game. He's been worth over a win the last two years with his glove alone. Castro would have to be at least a neutral defender to be on par with Alexei. Long term, I take Castro no questions asked. Next year, Alexei no doubt.
 

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Captain Obvious said:
No way I take Castro over Alexei. Castro was a full 2 WINS worse than Alexei at defense last year. In 2010, it was about 1 1/4 of a win. Castro would have to be Tulo with the bat to be even with Alexei. Alexei is pretty much the best defensive SS in the game. He's been worth over a win the last two years with his glove alone. Castro would have to be at least a neutral defender to be on par with Alexei. Long term, I take Castro no questions asked. Next year, Alexei no doubt.
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Which is what I was trying to say, except that if you factor salary in, I think Castro has an argument, depending on what type of market your team is in.
 
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