Trade idea for Antawn Jamison

[Rose1]

Bulls: Antawn Jamison

Hawks: Joakim Noah, Nick Young, Kirk Hinrich

Wizards: Joe Johnson

Bulls: Jamison will bring leadership and the inside scoring we have been looking for. He averaged 22 points last year at 21 per. So Bulls are getting instant help in the most consistent fashion at Power Forward. Also, Bulls get the luxury of resigning Ben Gordon with the absence of Kirk Hinrich. They can now use that 16th pick to draft someone like BJ Mullens to replace Noah and develop him.

PG: Rose, ?26th pick?
SG: Gordon, Salmons
SF: Deng, Salmons
PF: Jamison, Ty.Thomas
C: Miller, Mullens

Hawks: Many experts believe Joe Johnson and Josh Smith has been clashing in a esoteric setting. Which is causing some division in the locker room. So with this trade, it allows Josh Smith to officially put his face on the franchise tag and become next years' Iguodala - you know, when Iverson left Sixers and gave the keys to Iguodala. Well, this is the same situation but different personnel. Noah reunites with Horford and they man the front-court like they're back at Florida. Make sense, because I don't see a real productive Center on that lineup. Horford is really a four and their Centers are so bad they have to play out of position, as you saw most of the year. Nick Young gives them something to work with until draft time comes around. Last, Hinrich replaces the aging Bibby. We all know they aren't resigning him.

PG: Hinrich, Murray
SG: Young, Evans
SF: J.Smith, M.Williams
PF: Horford, M.Williams
C: Noah, Pachulia

Wizards: I honestly think they tanked last season to get into the higher lottery but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Arenas is back and Grunfeld invested his life into him. The guy got paid dough, so he'll be playing PG. Especially after that game he played against Pistons where he put on a passing clinic right after his return. I think they won't be needing Rubio, instead they should replace Jamison with Griffin. This allows them to solidify the front-court for the future with Mcgee at the Center spot. Now this is where Joe Johnson appears and create the new BIG 4. This would be the best perimeter in basketball along with a stud from OKC. We're talking about scoring from each side of the court, to the point the defenders can't afford to double-team. Especially with Griffin on the post.

PG: Arenas
SG: J.Johnson
SF: C.Butler
PF: ?2nd pick?
C: Mcgee

 

[Manic Devourer]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

I'm not the biggest fan of Jamison, though I admit he is extremely crafty and gets the job done. But taking into account his age, and contract, he would not a target.

You trade aware a starting calibre point guard, as well as a rapidly improving center and in return you get a tweener forward who is on the downside of his career?

No thanks.

We could get a whole lot more with a package of Hinrich and Noah, in fact we could probably get Johnson with that package.

 

[Rose1]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Manic Devourer wrote:

I'm not the biggest fan of Jamison, though I admit he is extremely crafty and gets the job done. But taking into account his age, and contract, he would not a target.

You trade aware a starting calibre point guard, as well as a rapidly improving center and in return you get a tweener forward who is on the downside of his career?

No thanks.

We could get a whole lot more with a package of Hinrich and Noah, in fact we could probably get Johnson with that package.

You make no sense. Don't get me wrong, Noah plays with a lot of energy to make up for size lack of STRENGTH. Hinrich CONTRACT won't get us a player outside Jamison that averaged 22 points in a excelling per. Seriously, we don't need Joe Johnson because they'll be a slap in the face to Ben Gordon and the current players on the roster. That don't even make sense man! That Chicago time got you sleepy? Factually, it's a huge gap between Jamison and Noah when you contrast their durability combined with production. You can't always say that about Noah and other Centers in the league. Or Centers that are about to enter the league. I'll take my chance with BJ Mullens.

 

[Manic Devourer]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

With Jamison, add in JaVale McGee then I may have to think about it, and theeeeeeeen say NO.

Jamison is such an under-rated player if you think about it, he shoots from all over the court at a decent rate, good rebounder, and a very low turn over guy. But he is a poor defender and not a very good passer, though I wouldn't call him a ball stopper, or a bad team mate, he just isn't a difference maker. He is too slow to guard the more athletic small forwards now, and he isn't strong enough to stay with the big bodies down low.

No, give me someone with lesser talent who has room for development and growth, on a way cheaper salary, who is a lot young.

I'll pass on Jamison.

 

[Rose1]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Manic Devourer wrote:

With Jamison, add in JaVale McGee then I may have to think about it, and theeeeeeeen say NO.

Jamison is such an under-rated player if you think about it, he shoots from all over the court at a decent rate, good rebounder, and a very low turn over guy. But he is a poor defender and not a very good passer, though I wouldn't call him a ball stopper, or a bad team mate, he just isn't a difference maker. He is too slow to guard the more athletic small forwards now, and he isn't strong enough to stay with the big bodies down low.

No, give me someone with lesser talent who has room for development and growth, on a way cheaper salary, who is a lot young.

I'll pass on Jamison.

That's why we have Tyrus Thomas as the reserve. I mean, we could always sign specialists.

 

[Shakes]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Hinrich has a declining contract, and is being paid pretty fairly to start with, so I don't think teams would shy away from him due to his contract.

Sure Noah could be stronger, but you'll be hard pressed to get a better player at any position with the 16th pick in the draft, let alone another center. Proven big men with two years to go on their rookie contract have a lot of value.

Jamison is a good player, but he's too old for this team. We'd need to be in win now mode if we want to win with him, and he doesn't make us a championship contender, especially not if we also lose Noah and Hinrich. This was discussed in a thread on Jamison a week or so ago, everyone who posted was against it when all we were giving up was Brad Miller, I can't imagine many people will be keen to give up Hinrich and Noah for him.

 

[Rose1]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

I don't think you understand the gap production neither. Sure he's declining in age, but he's nearing the end of his prime. That will probably be 3 years from now. I think you can say the same thing about David West. More importantly, Hinrich body on this roster is idle far as my care goes. We have our future PG in Rose. It's better to lose him so Gordon can get resigned. I love Noah but this is about Rose and winning now. Jamison offers plenty of hope for next year. We can always ass Defensive specialist. Heck, you saw one in Birdman of Nuggets lol.

 

[dougthonus]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Sure he's declining in age, but he's nearing the end of his prime. That will probably be 3 years from now. I think you can say the same thing about David West.

The end of his prime is now already.

Jamison will be 33 this summer. He may continue to be an NBA caliber player for 3 more years, but you should expect a very sharp decline in production over that period.

You could take two views about someone like Jamison if you're giving up Hinrich/Thomas.

You could take the view that Jamison helps the Bulls for the next 2-3 seasons, and you don't plan farther out in advance than that. Hinrich isn't really a lot of use, and Tyrus isn't likely to pan out and will need an extension, so we probably won't get much for those guys anyway.

You could also take the view that you're better off trading Hinrich/Tyrus for anything else that has a chance to help Rose more in the future. Jamison isn't going to come close to elevating us to championship caliber at his contract level, and he's not part of a long term vision at all.

You'd rather trade for a guy that helps you more long term than Jamison, the question is can you get someone who helps you much long term? If the answer is no, then it's not so bad trading for a short term guy to help us get one step farther and get Rose more experience.

However, trading for Jamison is a move that doesn't help you win a title unless you have another really good move or two up your sleeve. You're pushing long term assets into short term ones with this move, and we aren't really built to win now.

 

[Ralphb07]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Kirk and Tyrus I'll do it based on what Doug said but no way in hell I trade Noah and Kirk for Jamison

 

[cool007]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

I would have been okay with this move, if Jamison move would put us over the top but it doesn't - actually it sets us back.

IMO, we are pretty darn set with the PG and C positions, we SHOULD NOT trade neither Noah nor Rose, I would also say we should be set with Gordon (if he is resigned), I would give Deng 1 more year (unless Bosh/Amare type players are available), and then go from there.

IMO, I don't want just any trade. If we are trading for a star player, then I am all for it (with keeping Rose and Noah on the team).

So, NO - NO WAY TO that deal.

 

[Bullsman24]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

no, bad contract and too old

 

[Shakes]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Rose1 wrote:

I don't think you understand the gap production neither. Sure he's declining in age, but he's nearing the end of his prime. That will probably be 3 years from now. I think you can say the same thing about David West. More importantly, Hinrich body on this roster is idle far as my care goes. We have our future PG in Rose. It's better to lose him so Gordon can get resigned. I love Noah but this is about Rose and winning now. Jamison offers plenty of hope for next year. We can always ass Defensive specialist. Heck, you saw one in Birdman of Nuggets lol.

You can't say the same thing about David West, he's 5 years younger than Jamison. West is in the middle of his prime. Jamison is past his and declining.

Losing Hinrich/Noah doesn't allow us to resign Gordon without going into the tax if we take back Jamison, we'd be trading away 12 million in salary and taking back 11.5, so virtually no change. We're likely to lose Gordon, so Hinrich has a lot of value to the team in the short term.

You can't always get a defensive specialist by snapping your fingers, and you certainly can't always get a 24 year old one with two years to run on his rookie contract. Seriously, if you can come up with a way to get a defensive specialist as young and as good as Noah for 2.5 million next year, Paxson should hire you.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Re:Bulls thinking about what could happen...

Antawn Jamison? Thanks, but no thanks. He is on the decline. Doesn't really help the roster at all. It actually probably makes it worse since you are losing two very solid contributors in Hinrich and Noah to take on Jamison, who isn't bad, but is only getting worse. Plus the whole salary thing doesn't really help resign BG unless you count being able to offer him .5 million more in salary helping. Also, assuming you can do all of this and resign Ben somehow, good luck getting a backup PG if Lindsey Hunter retires or something because Ben cannot play the point.