Trade idea for David West

[Basghetti80]

Jerome James, Tim Thomas, Tyrus Thomas, #16 for David West, Rasual Butler


Under the assumption Gordon is not back...


Rose,Hinrich
Salmons,Butler
Deng,#26
West,Veteran FA
Noah,Miller

 

[TheStig]

Re:Trade idea

Basghetti80 wrote:

Jerome James, Tim Thomas, Tyrus Thomas, #16 for David West, Rasual Butler


Under the assumption Gordon is not back...


Rose,Hinrich
Salmons,Butler
Deng,#26
West,Veteran FA
Noah,Miller

I don't get it, why does NO do this? To save money? They are still over the LT after this deal. I am sure Detroit would offer them instant cap space and the #15 for West. IMO if you are going to give away west, you do that first and thats only after exhausting every possible Peja and TC option available. CP3 will not be happy to lose his only other scoring option. I wouldn't be surprised if he left when his deal was up with this scenario.

 

[Rose1]

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David West is mediocre. I rather get someone you know is going to impact the post like Shaq. Or someone that's young and can grow with Rose. West isn't that guy for me. He's not worth that 16th pick.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

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Rose1 wrote:

David West is mediocre. I rather get someone you know is going to impact the post like Shaq. Or someone that's young and can grow with Rose. West isn't that guy for me. He's not worth that 16th pick.

Yea because West is very old. Give me a break.

 

[dougthonus]

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I would do that deal for sure, but I don't think NO does.

If you pull Tim Thomas out of it, so they save more cash maybe they consider it. I don't know if you'd even need Tyrus in there.

James + #16.

He's not worth that 16th pick.

Go back and look at the typical players taken from 13-19 and tell me how many are better than David West, it's not a whole lot. On top of that, this is a horribly weak draft.

I just started going into detail when looking at prospects for my podcast and when looking at Gerald Henderson and Terrance Williams, guys who are in slated to go prior to our pick, I thought "wow these guys suck".

 

[senrad]

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I would trade just about any pick in this draft for west.

 

[Basghetti80]

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You are right as usual Doug. I should not have had Tim thomas in that deal. Too much money going to NO. Tyrus+James+pick for West and Butler feels about right to me. With West, Noah and Miller I am okay with losing Tyrus in the deal and if losing Gordon in this scenario then Butler is a nice 2/3 to come off the bench who can shoot it from deep and is expiring. He is a nice role player. I think Tyrus might fit well with Paul especially if they move Chandler in another deal. Tyrus could fit that role that Chandler did with the alleys pre Tyson getting hurt. I like West as a fit here. I know he extends beyond 2010 but his contract is very reasonable, he is still young but has some playoff experience, has been an All-star and in a pick and roll with Rose would be nice.

 

[Woodz]

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I think that trade gets us a top 4 seed most likely. However, I don't think that a core of rose/west/deng/noah is enough to win a title. I don't think it actually gets us past the second round. I also don't see the trade chips we would then have in order to make major improvements in the future.

I would prefer to wait it out and pray that we can land one of the 2010 guys via a sign & trade (or outright). Just my personal preference: championship or bust.

 

[TomO232323]

David West - available but is he good enough?

David West is available for the cost cutting N.O.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2009/04/pistons_may_pursue_david_west.html

Is he enough to put us over the top? His numbers suggest he might be but I am not sure as we would would have to give up something to get him. A trade that I came up with that seems to make some sense for both, although both MAY be able to get better deals. If they cant is this something to consider?

West + Chandler for Tyrus, Noah, J James, Tim Thomas.

Sucks to give up Noah. But we do get a 20 point scorer at the PF position and a similar replacement for Noah although much priceier and injury prone. Resign BG and say f the lux tax to make a run. James is insured and would save N.O. $$$ immediately along with expirings of T Thomas x2.

8 man rotation with Asik to replace Miller in the future.
Rose/ Hinrich
Gordon / Salmons
Deng / Salmons
West
Chandler /Miller

Is that a contender? Likely. Bosh or Amare would be better options but are they really options at this point? Doing this would kill that but this team would be pretty damn good

 

[Dpauley23]

Reavid West - available but is he good enough?

West can only put us over the top if we retain Gordon. Maybe you could give them Salmons and take back Peja

 

[TheStig]

Reavid West - available but is he good enough?

Dpauley23 wrote:

West can only put us over the top if we retain Gordon. Maybe you could give them Salmons and take back Peja

Keep Peja away from here. He is pretty much done and was never that good to begin with.

 

[TheStig]

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Rose1 wrote:

David West is mediocre. I rather get someone you know is going to impact the post like Shaq. Or someone that's young and can grow with Rose. West isn't that guy for me. He's not worth that 16th pick.

David West has put up 20+ ppg and 8+rpg in the past two years and was also on the all star team in both years. How is he mediocre? Just because he isn't a mvp candidate doesn't make him mediocre. Although it would be nice if he wouldn't be 29 at the beginning of next year.

 

[TheStig]

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dougthonus wrote:

I would do that deal for sure, but I don't think NO does.

If you pull Tim Thomas out of it, so they save more cash maybe they consider it. I don't know if you'd even need Tyrus in there.

James + #16.

He's not worth that 16th pick.

Go back and look at the typical players taken from 13-19 and tell me how many are better than David West, it's not a whole lot. On top of that, this is a horribly weak draft.

I just started going into detail when looking at prospects for my podcast and when looking at Gerald Henderson and Terrance Williams, guys who are in slated to go prior to our pick, I thought "wow these guys suck".

I don't think that works financially. According to trade checker it doesn't work unless you wait till after the draft and sign the pick.

 

[J-Mart]

If we don't resign Gordon this trade won't help us out much. I would still do it of course and would soften the blow of losing Gordon. If Gordon doesn't resign we are practically NO of the east with a PG that isn't as good as Paul yet.

 

[Diddy1122]

Anyone know if Jerome James' contract is gonna be picked up by insurance since his career is over?

It would be nice to have an extra $6mill this offseason. Maybe make an offer to Big Baby, who showed me alot in this series, to be a back up big. It would push Tyrus to develop quicker in order to retain his starting status.

West would definitely make us a contender but only if BG was back. I like Wesley Snipes, but I'm not sold on him at the 2, he's really a 3, and he certainly doesn't light up the scoreboard like BG can.

 

[dougthonus]

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TheStig wrote:

I don't think that works financially. According to trade checker it doesn't work unless you wait till after the draft and sign the pick.

Correct, but there's no problem from our end in waiting to sign the draft pick. I mean it's not like I wouldn't throw in Tim Thomas, but I think NO doesn't want to take his salary.

 

[PJ Brown]

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West is emerging as one of my top semi-realistic options, a player too good to be available who is apparently available. He is a more well rouded player than Tyrus, yet a reasonably young guy who should work nicely with Rose.

 

[TheStig]

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dougthonus wrote:

TheStig wrote:

I don't think that works financially. According to trade checker it doesn't work unless you wait till after the draft and sign the pick.

Correct, but there's no problem from our end in waiting to sign the draft pick. I mean it's not like I wouldn't throw in Tim Thomas, but I think NO doesn't want to take his salary.

Well I agree but wouldn't we have to wait till like September to finalize the deal? Can't you not trade a new contract for 90 days? And would insurance still pick up JJ salary if he were traded?

 

[Shakes]

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If you can get a player like David West on the cheap you have to do it. He's clearly an upgrade at our worst position. He's not ideal in that's he's a similarly mediocre rebounder like Tyrus, so the vet big listed in the depth chart should probably be a rebounding specialist, but I don't think that should be too hard to find.

I think this sort of a trade is what we should be looking at, with the teams looking to cut costs our expiring are worth a lot at the moment, and it'd be a shame to just let them all expire without getting anything. Obviously you try to swing for the fences and get the 2010 big names first, but if that's not happening, David West is a very solid consolation prize.

 

[Dpauley23]

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I would only do it if you can resign Gordon. What the point of acquiring West if you know you can't win championship with that talent