Tribe seeks to force NFL Redskins name change

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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Obama and Goodell weighing in will most likely seal the deal.</p>

 

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The problem with their name isn't that its derived from a native american tribe, its that it is a racial slur for native americans. It'd be like having a team called the New York Niggers. Don't see how people can support it.

 

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yeah this is one instance of me agreeing with the PC crowd.  That nickname is blatantly racist.  If anyone brings up "tradition" with a name like that you are just stupid.</p>

 

[jakobeast]

I may have heard wrong, but this morning i thought I heard the name Redskins was given to them by some tribe leader years ago. Or that was the name the tribe gave themselves......**** I don't remember</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

Even though I agree that "Redskins" should have been changed long ago, I do think people ae becoming a bit too PC about sports names.  I mean, they changed the Washington Bullets.  Really?  Are we that uptight?</p>


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Thus, I propose this.  If the change is made to the redskins and everyone flips their lid causing one of the Chicago Teams to have their name changed (Cubs/Bears/Bulls/Wolves because of PETA, Sox because it discriminates against people who wear sandals, the Fire because it's offensive to pyromanicas, and of course the blackhawks), As a wop myself I propose they take a page out of Notre Dame's playbook, and a suggesting by the late George Carlin and change their name to the Murdering Italians.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

If Redskins go, Fighting Irish needs to go.</p>

 

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If Redskins go, Fighting Irish needs to go.</p>
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Most sane people would agree.  Some of my irish freinds have adopted it and embraced it.</p>


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I personally think when it comes to such things it's now demeaning the term/logo is.  Redskins name should maybe go, but the redskins logo itself is not bad.  Conversely, the Cleveland Indians name isn't bad, but the logo shoukld probably go.</p>


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I think for some things people are too uptight and the only way to fight euphemistic though is dysphemistic thought.</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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If Redskins go, Fighting Irish needs to go.</p>
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Absolutely, as Drunkin' Irish fits and not a slur.  </p>

 

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If Redskins go, Fighting Irish needs to go.</p>
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Fightin' Irish isn't a racial slur. If they were called the Notre Dame Micks, yeah you could argue that. People are trying to make this out to be something it isn't. It's not "PC", it's a blatant racial slur being used in this example. I don't know how people can defend it by saying it's just a typical overreaction from the "PC crowd".</p>

 

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Is it a blatant racial slur if someone calls me a whiteskin ?</p>

 

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Most sane people would agree.  Some of my irish freinds have adopted it and embraced it.</p>


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I personally think when it comes to such things it's now demeaning the term/logo is.  Redskins name should maybe go, but the redskins logo itself is not bad.  Conversely, the Cleveland Indians name isn't bad, but the logo shoukld probably go.</p>


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I think for some things people are too uptight and the only way to fight euphemistic though is dysphemistic thought.</p>
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Hey in your signature, what about the All Blacks? Is it really ALL of them? Is it 100% Black or can you have some mixing going on there.</p>


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I don't do purple.</p>

 

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Fightin' Irish isn't a racial slur. If they were called the Notre Dame Micks, yeah you could argue that. People are trying to make this out to be something it isn't. It's not "PC", it's a blatant racial slur being used in this example. I don't know how people can defend it by saying it's just a typical overreaction from the "PC crowd".</p>
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I find that the crowd that usually screams about "PC overreaction" are white heterosexual males, the most persecuted and underrepresented population ever in the history of time.</p>

 

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Is it a blatant racial slur if someone calls me a whiteskin ?</p>
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What point are you attempting to make?</p>

 

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Hey in your signature, what about the All Blacks? Is it really ALL of them? Is it 100% Black or can you have some mixing going on there.</p>


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I don't do purple.</p>
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Once you go all-black you never go back. </p>


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I find that the crowd that usually screams about "PC overreaction" are white heterosexual males, the most persecuted and underrepresented population ever in the history of time.</p>
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There is some truth to "PC Overreaction".  Not all instances of PC are overreactions--If the name "Redskins" goes, I wouldn't complain--same with the Indians logo.  But in the same breath, what possible breach of political correctness is being exhibited by, say, the Blackhawks logo (and you know as well as I do that there are some yoyos out there that would love to see it go away because it offends them)? </p>


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For every concept like political correctness, there's a line the divides it from being implemented in a great way to it being implemented in a ridiculous way--in thic case PC overreaction.</p>

 

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But there is no comparison between the Blackhawks and Redskins. That's jumping to extremes. Because the Redskins would change their name wouldn't mean the Blackhawks would have to. Or that somehow the Fightin' Irish name has to go if Redskins does. There isn't any comparisons between these examples. I don't know of another pro team that has a racial slur as their name. To me, this isn't being politically correct, this is simply about not continually being dehumanizing to a group of people that have basically been fucked over since we made contact with them. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think finally stopping a team from using a derogative term for an entire people is really all that much to ask. I'm sure a lot of Native Americans would agree on that, but we've kinda made them hard to find.</p>

 

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Growing up I never knew it was a racial slur until I read about them trying to change the redskins' name. LET IT FUCKING GO.</p>

 

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Shouldn't be surprised though.</p>

 

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But there is no comparison between the Blackhawks and Redskins. That's jumping to extremes. Because the Redskins would change their name wouldn't mean the Blackhawks would have to. Or that somehow the Fightin' Irish name has to go if Redskins does. There isn't any comparisons between these examples. I don't know of another pro team that has a racial slur as their name. To me, this isn't being politically correct, this is simply about not continually being dehumanizing to a group of people that have basically been fucked over since we made contact with them. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think finally stopping a team from using a derogative term for an entire people is really all that much to ask. I'm sure a lot of Native Americans would agree on that, but we've kinda made them hard to find.</p>
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You do realize that once every couple of years someone gets a burr up their ass and says the Blackhawks logo is deragatory, right?</p>

 

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You do realize that once every couple of years someone gets a burr up their ass and says the Blackhawks logo is deragatory, right?</p>
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That has nothing to do with this though. There is no comparison between the Blackhawks name or logo and another team using an actual racist term for their name. Like I said, people keep trying to make this about something it's not because it's the only way to defend it. There is no rational defense for racism. There's only two scenarios for people who think otherwise: they're either too stupid or uninformed to realize it's racist or, knowing that and still defending it, they're being racist. That's it. The only two explanations. Not a whole lot of grey area with this.</p>

 

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I have a lady-friend is 100% native. We have discussed the Blackhawks which she laughed when I asked if it was offensive:</p>


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"Are you kidding?! This jersey is bad ass!"</p>


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Not that she would speak for the whole of the native community, but I can get at least the opinion of a single native...</p>