TRY…to win all the way out

[mac bear]

I'm a teacher. High School. For the past 18 years, plus… On meet the creature night, every year, I explain to the parents about the profession. How it's a little more tricky than it looks… not as simple as the title suggests: teacher.

See, everybody is an expert on teaching cause everyone has had a teacher they either loved or hated, and therefore they know exactly how to do it right. Right?

Not so fast…

Same deal can be said of coaching. Most of us, here, have been watching the Bears since we were fetuses, and have either played football, or been coached at one point or another in whatever sport or activity that involves coaches. Some of us on here may have even played in the NFL or CFL or NCAA given the anonymity of the boards (pleased to meet you, by the way). That said, we, here, can often slide into the above mentioned mistake thinking that since we are so 'knowledgeable' about our team and the sport, we know what should be done. That we could 'coach'… or 'should coach' given the 'mistakes' witnessed.

Recently, I have been pouring over the threads watching this dynamic surface over and over again.

It's not that easy.

I have heard the arguments sporadically about losing out, and 'earning' higher draft picks and I have heard the counter argument, albeit with less frequency and 'expectation' than the lose out theories.

As a person, just watching the game, who feels that the coaches know what they're doing far more than I ever could, in this lifetime, I feel that it would be best to play to win all the next few games and not remotely consider draft position. What will be will be. Our losing out won't bring us into the top ten anyway, so…

Thoughts?

 

[Space Invader]

Not trying to rag on you, but what was wrong with the other 9 threads going on with the same subject?

 

[mac bear]

Not trying to rag on you, but what was wrong with the other 9 threads going on with the same subject?

Ok, nailed on the 'pouring over the other threads' thing…

And ragged. Thanks.

Of the 9 other threads, what's the count in favour of winning out, or losing out, or trying till we die, win or lose?

 

[ijustposthere]

Ok, nailed on the 'pouring over the other threads' thing…

And ragged. Thanks.

Of the 9 other threads, what's the count in favour of winning out, or losing out, or trying till we die, win or lose?

I believe it's 4-4-1.

 

[Slacker]

Ok, nailed on the 'pouring over the other threads' thing…

And ragged. Thanks.

Of the 9 other threads, what's the count in favour of winning out, or losing out, or trying till we die, win or lose?

I would have let this go but since you're a teacher, it's poring over.

 

[Teddy KGB]

Well, losing out is impossible, since Caleb Hanie is now Cleveland's starting QB.

 

[NCChiFan]

You do your best in life, no matter what it is, because you have to live with yourself. Sadly, to many of these 'fans' are tenured and can't be fired.

 

[ijustposthere]

You do your best in life, no matter what it is, because you have to live with yourself. Sadly, to many of these 'fans' are tenured and can't be fired.

Except I haven't seen anyone that says they shouldn't try to do their best.

 

[BearsWillWin]

If the lose out thread several posters remarked losing now is better than winning.

That if they were smart, they'd lose. Hard to try to do your best but lose on purpose at the same time.

 

[ijustposthere]

If the lose out thread several posters remarked losing now is better than winning.

That if they were smart, they'd lose. Hard to try to do your best but lose on purpose at the same time.

From the posts I saw, people were saying losing would help the team out in the future, not that they should TRY to lose.

 

[Teddy KGB]

If the lose out thread several posters remarked losing now is better than winning.

That if they were smart, they'd lose. Hard to try to do your best but lose on purpose at the same time.

From a team standpoint, it IS better if they lose out.

However, no player or coach will ever see it that way, because their job is to win, as it should be.

 

[bearmick]

You do your best in life, no matter what it is, because you have to live with yourself. Sadly, to many of these 'fans' are tenured and can't be fired.

The objective is to win a championship. When you can't win this year, the objective becomes to do what's needed to win next year.

Those of us who would rather pick at 10 than 20 don't disagree with "do your best", we simply disagree with you about what is "best" in terms of meeting the aforementioned objective.

 

[Runruffshod75]

The objective is to win a championship. When you can't win this year, the objective becomes to do what's needed to win next year.

Those of us who would rather pick at 10 than 20 don't disagree with "do your best", we simply disagree with you about what is "best" in terms of meeting the aforementioned objective.

Along with this, if the Bears do become mathematically eliminated, start every young kid from that point on for the sake of their evaluation & development. In a case of elimination I think you give kids like Gaines, Hurst, T. Robertson, C.J. Wilson, Washington, Ford, Palmer, Boggs, Baas, Greene, Bostic, Walters, definitely Marquess Wilson, etc. significant playing time for the remainder of the season. IMO there are some players on the roster & P.S. that could make significant contributions in the future. It's not all about getting a high pick but to let some of these young players get the developmental process started now especially Marquess Wilson, Washington, & Ford(in my eyes), with some real consistent starting time down the stretch. Ones that do show any promise, if any, get poised now to contribute in 2014.

Still though, I wouldn't want to see the Bears throw in the towel in any case unless they're mathematically eliminated.

 

[Daa Bearrs]

The objective is to win a championship. When you can't win this year, the objective becomes to do what's needed to win next year.

Those of us who would rather pick at 10 than 20 don't disagree with "do your best", we simply disagree with you about what is "best" in terms of meeting the aforementioned objective.

I understand this perspective and hold nothing against it, but for me I get very little entertainment in wishing for my team to lose, and I watch sports and follow sports for entertainment purposes. If the team loses then sure I can find the silver lining in it, but I can't honestly actively wish for the Bears to lose.

But even more than that, I can't help my speculate that finishing the season with (five?) straight losses would have a negative effect on the players psyche and what they think of Mark Trestman. Players have to trust their coach and players are competitive, they don't want to lose and if they continue to they may lose trust faith in the competence of their coaching staff, which I feel would be quite a bit more detrimental to the team going forward than having worse draft status.

 

[Woods]

The objective is to win a championship. When you can't win this year, the objective becomes to do what's needed to win next year.

Those of us who would rather pick at 10 than 20 don't disagree with "do your best", we simply disagree with you about what is "best" in terms of meeting the aforementioned objective.

And then there's those of us who were trying to explain why picking 10th in the draft is better for the Bears than picking 20th. But amazingly, the internet allows people on it who don't understand how the NFL draft works.

 

[Packer Fan]

And then there's those of us who were trying to explain why picking 10th in the draft is better for the Bears than picking 20th. But amazingly, the internet allows people on it who don't understand how the NFL draft works.

I am fully aware of how the draft works, lol, it's not a difficult concept. Not like we are getting all fancy with ping pong balls and shit here.

Regardless, I still want to see the Packers win every week. Maybe it's just something that stuck with me from watching so many meaningless games as a kid.

 

[dabearsjjk]

I'm a teacher. High School. For the past 18 years, plus… On meet the creature night, every year, I explain to the parents about the profession. How it's a little more tricky than it looks… not as simple as the title suggests: teacher.

See, everybody is an expert on teaching cause everyone has had a teacher they either loved or hated, and therefore they know exactly how to do it right. Right?

Not so fast…

Same deal can be said of coaching. Most of us, here, have been watching the Bears since we were fetuses, and have either played football, or been coached at one point or another in whatever sport or activity that involves coaches. Some of us on here may have even played in the NFL or CFL or NCAA given the anonymity of the boards (pleased to meet you, by the way). That said, we, here, can often slide into the above mentioned mistake thinking that since we are so 'knowledgeable' about our team and the sport, we know what should be done. That we could 'coach'… or 'should coach' given the 'mistakes' witnessed.

Recently, I have been pouring over the threads watching this dynamic surface over and over again.

It's not that easy.

I have heard the arguments sporadically about losing out, and 'earning' higher draft picks and I have heard the counter argument, albeit with less frequency and 'expectation' than the lose out theories.

As a person, just watching the game, who feels that the coaches know what they're doing far more than I ever could, in this lifetime, I feel that it would be best to play to win all the next few games and not remotely consider draft position. What will be will be. Our losing out won't bring us into the top ten anyway, so…

Thoughts?

I feel the same way....

I doesn't matter what you do someone will always believe they are smarter and more knowledgeable, even when they are not.

 

[PrideisBears]

Well, losing out is impossible, since Caleb Hanie is now Cleveland's starting QB.

We just lose to Ponder/Cassel so no we can still lose

 

[DC]

We're .500 with 4 games left to play and you PUSSIES want us to lose so we can get a higher draft pick?

I don't care what your nancy ass reasoning is. You spend all your time pretending your a draft expert but you're nothing more than a dead bug on Mel Kipers fucking jalopy.

Let's go Bears! Anything is possible!

 

[Bearfanfromnewjersey]

I'm a teacher. High School. For the past 18 years, plus… On meet the creature night, every year, I explain to the parents about the profession. How it's a little more tricky than it looks… not as simple as the title suggests: teacher.

See, everybody is an expert on teaching cause everyone has had a teacher they either loved or hated, and therefore they know exactly how to do it right. Right?

Not so fast…

Same deal can be said of coaching. Most of us, here, have been watching the Bears since we were fetuses, and have either played football, or been coached at one point or another in whatever sport or activity that involves coaches. Some of us on here may have even played in the NFL or CFL or NCAA given the anonymity of the boards (pleased to meet you, by the way). That said, we, here, can often slide into the above mentioned mistake thinking that since we are so 'knowledgeable' about our team and the sport, we know what should be done. That we could 'coach'… or 'should coach' given the 'mistakes' witnessed.

Recently, I have been pouring over the threads watching this dynamic surface over and over again.

It's not that easy.

I have heard the arguments sporadically about losing out, and 'earning' higher draft picks and I have heard the counter argument, albeit with less frequency and 'expectation' than the lose out theories.

As a person, just watching the game, who feels that the coaches know what they're doing far more than I ever could, in this lifetime, I feel that it would be best to play to win all the next few games and not remotely consider draft position. What will be will be. Our losing out won't bring us into the top ten anyway, so…

Thoughts?

Teacher is an easy job. You don't need to keep learning new things. Pension ,A million days off working a part time job and amazing benefits. Only draw back is the lower pay. I should have been a teacher.

Oh yah! You win all the games you can. Have some dignity