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Yeah I would sign that. I would rather see Thomas more than Miller.
 

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Bullseye wrote:
Yeah I would sign that. I would rather see Thomas more than Miller.

Yeah, Miller was pretty ineffective through 40 minutes last night. If we want him to survive we need to delegate more of those minutes to other players. Thomas would be a prime candidate if VDN didn't hate him so much. I fear we could be seeing Chris Richard tonight.
 

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WearShades wrote:
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Yeah I would sign that. I would rather see Thomas more than Miller.

Yeah, Miller was pretty ineffective through 40 minutes last night. If we want him to survive we need to delegate more of those minutes to other players. Thomas would be a prime candidate if VDN didn't hate him so much. I fear we could be seeing Chris Richard tonight.

Its not a matter of VDN hating Tyrus. It's the fact that you never know what Tyrus is going to show up when he's on the floor. He is beyond inconsistent, doesn't hustle, & doesn't play smart. Coaches are going to go with players they can trust on a nightly basis. And VDN doesn't trust Tyrus when he's out on the floor & I can't fault him either. Regardless of Ty's talent advantage over Taj & Miller, it's the lack of trust & Ty's overall attitude that are keeping him off the floor.

Tyrus just doesn't realize that consistent effort, hustle, & smart play on both ends of the floor will make his minutes increase. I can't stand players like him that have this sense of entitlement. Where it comes from, I don't know, but in his case it's certainly unwarranted.
 

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Its not a matter of VDN hating Tyrus. It's the fact that you never know what Tyrus is going to show up when he's on the floor. He is beyond inconsistent, doesn't hustle, & doesn't play smart. Coaches are going to go with players they can trust on a nightly basis. And VDN doesn't trust Tyrus when he's out on the floor & I can't fault him either. Regardless of Ty's talent advantage over Taj & Miller, it's the lack of trust & Ty's overall attitude that are keeping him off the floor.

What you're saying makes sense, however it doesn't really apply in this case. I understand why he doesn't trust Tyrus, however there really is no other option for taking those minutes other than to overload Brad, who is too old to be playing 40+ minutes, or overload Taj, who has the same PF problem Noah has. You're better off playing Tyrus more even if he is inconsistent. Even if he's "bad Tyrus," at least you're resting Taj or Miller.
 

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Diddy1122 wrote:
Tyrus just doesn't realize that consistent effort, hustle, & smart play on both ends of the floor will make his minutes increase. I can't stand players like him that have this sense of entitlement. Where it comes from, I don't know, but in his case it's certainly unwarranted.
The sense of entitlement could come from knowing your better than the guy in front of you. He knows he's "better" than Taj and Brad so he might figure the coach knows the same thing.

But speculation like this is unwarranted and simply wrong. I don't know what happened during this incident but in general VDN should play him more. This isn't high school. I understand you can't reward less than 100% effort but honestly at the end of the day you are trying to win games and increase his trade value. Playing him for 15 minutes when the only effective lineups last night included him shows stubbornness from VDN.

I too get frustrated with his less than 100% effort, inconsistency and with him shooting too many jumpers but bottom line burying him on the bench hurts the team in more way than one especially with Noah out. He may be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde but we need to play him.
 

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I think VDN isn't far off with Tyrus. When you get "good" Tyrus he's the second best big on the team (if you get the rare glimpse of "playing at his potential" Tyrus he is the best big on the team). But most nights you get "content to shoot jump shots and not run" Tyrus, so you're better off sitting him after you see he doesn't have it. Only problem is that I think VDN saw bad Tyrus for such a long stretch he's just sitting him anyway, even on nights when he looks good. If he can get back to letting Tyrus play when he shows up to play, I think we'll be doing the right thing.

Now maybe it's a case of a bad feedback loop, where the coaches get frustrated with the player, so the player gets frustrated with the coaches, and it just gets worse and worse, I don't know. But other than a stint at the end of his rookie year where he looked like a future DPOTY, Tyrus has had basically the same issues with consistency and effort under Skiles, Boylan and VDN, so you've got to think Tyrus has brought most of it on himself.
 

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MADman24 wrote:
Diddy1122 wrote:
Tyrus just doesn't realize that consistent effort, hustle, & smart play on both ends of the floor will make his minutes increase. I can't stand players like him that have this sense of entitlement. Where it comes from, I don't know, but in his case it's certainly unwarranted.
The sense of entitlement could come from knowing your better than the guy in front of you. He knows he's "better" than Taj and Brad so he might figure the coach knows the same thing.

But speculation like this is unwarranted and simply wrong. I don't know what happened during this incident but in general VDN should play him more. This isn't high school. I understand you can't reward less than 100% effort but honestly at the end of the day you are trying to win games and increase his trade value. Playing him for 15 minutes when the only effective lineups last night included him shows stubbornness from VDN.

I too get frustrated with his less than 100% effort, inconsistency and with him shooting too many jumpers but bottom line burying him on the bench hurts the team in more way than one especially with Noah out. He may be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde but we need to play him.

I'm not saying it's the right decision, but the fact remains is coaches go with players they know they can trust on the floor. Tyrus does not have that trust. It's that simple. And if Tyrus "knows" he's "better" than those guys ahead of him, then FRIGGIN SHOW IT!!! Attack the rim like it's Vinny's face!!! Because honestly Tyrus is NOT better than those guys ahead of him. He has more talent & athleticism, that's for sure. But in terms of basketball skill & knowledge, he's nowhere near Miller or even Taj.

And don't kid yourself, Tyrus was not effective last night. His numbers came in garbage time at the end of the game. He had little to no effect on the Bulls getting the lead in the 3rd.
 

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I AM saying its the right decision...at this point you can't look at talent over effectiveness.
 

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Team sources said Thomas directed a profanity-laced tirade at coach Vinny Del Negro in his office with players and coaches within earshot after Friday night's loss in Atlanta, the third straight game Thomas had played less than 16 minutes.

One witness said it made Joakim Noah's vocal assault on then-assistant coach Ron Adams in 2008 look like "nothing."

Tyrus Thomas is a joke. Has been since the minute he got here. There is a reason that Tyrus is getting the minutes that he is getting and it is because he sucks. Taj Gibson has been out playing Tyrus defensively, rotating properly, playing hard. We are a scrappy team and Tyrus doesnt understand hard work. Here is a quote from Lindsey Hunter a little earlier in the season:

"As human beings, we all get frustrated," Hunter said. "But you can't act on your frustrations. At some point, you have to grow up and be a man about it. Life is filled with trials and tribulations. If you get frustrated every time you have one, you're going to live a pretty frustrated life. …

"He has the potential to be as good as he wants to be. It's up to him to take the initiative to realize what he is, slow himself down, put his game in a box."

Those are strong words to take public. Tyrus needs to grow the hell up. Tyrus has no idea what is in store for him. We are without a doubt going to renounce his rights this summer. What will the market be for a player whose rights we renounce, is known for a bad attitude and has really not shown much besides bitching athleticisim and the ability to block shots??? Well Detroit gave Charlie Villenuava $48 million. Maybe Tyrus will get lucky...point is, maybe he won't. This is not the time for Tyrus to be making an ass of himself.

BTW...I think the team should pull a Skiles and "VOTE" to suspend Tyrus an extra game :cheer: game.............
 

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You can see why Tyrus is frustrated with his playing time in a contract year, but making a name for yourself as a difficult player isn't going to do much to increase your value either. It's funny because statistically Tyrus is having his best year on a per minute basis, and he probably looks at that and can't see why his minutes are cut. But the two are related: he's having his best year statistically because he's only gotten big minutes in a few games where he was playing really well.

The problem really is if Tyrus gave you the average of his play every night then he wouldn't be a great player, but he'd be a quality rotation guy. However when you don't know what you're going to get from him it's hard to rely on him for anything. You're always going to need someone to cover for him when he's not on. A guy on his rookie contract can get away with it a bit because he's cheap and has potential to get better, but few teams are going to put up with that from the guys who are supposed to be the senior players.
 

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