Tyrus and NY

[Basghetti80]

I have read in a couple different places recently about Tyrus being a good fit with the Knicks. Now when I look at these two teams I have a hard time putting something together but could something along the lines of Tyrus and Miller for a S&T David Lee and Al Harrington work?

 

[dougthonus]

I don't see much upside in that trade for us unless we really love Lee, and Lee's not the kind of player I think you 'love'.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Al Harrington is the Larry Hughes of Sfs and Lee wants a 40 mil or more.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

dougthonus wrote:

I don't see much upside in that trade for us unless we really love Lee, and Lee's not the kind of player I think you 'love'.

Nope he is a nice 6th man on our team, on a bad team like the Knicks he is their #1 guy.

 

[Basghetti80]

I put in Harrington just because he is a 2010 expiring, as for Lee I agree he is a borderline starter, my interest would depend on what kind of deal he gets, if it is for 3 years and 8 or 9 million then it is not too bad

 

[??? ??????]

Maybe you do something like Thomas and #16 for the #8 pick if someone you like, such as Thabeet falls down that far.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

??? ?????? wrote:

Maybe you do something like Thomas and #16 for the #8 pick if someone you like, such as Thabeet falls down that far.

I dont see how Thabeet is even considered for a top 3 position. He is 100 pds, no offensive game and he looks yrs away from playing any significant minutes.

 

[??? ??????]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

Maybe you do something like Thomas and #16 for the #8 pick if someone you like, such as Thabeet falls down that far.

I dont see how Thabeet is even considered for a top 3 position. He is 100 pds, no offensive game and he looks yrs away from playing any significant minutes.

Something about some axiom of defense wins championships is why Thabeet is a top 10 pick. He's 7'3", which is big too, with long arms.

He's hardly a twig. Draftexpress lists him at 265.

You don't draft Thabeet for his offense. You draft him because he can be a great defensive player. Ben Wallace was one of the worst offensive players in the NBA, yet he was key to a championship team.

 

[Shakes]

I think Lee isn't going to get the offer he wants this summer, if the reports of what he wants are correct. Maybe he'll take the QO. Which would probably suit the Knicks just fine.

If he was willing to sign a decent deal, then swapping him for Tyrus would be a solid upgrade for us. If we can't get one of the big names it's a decent plan B to get Lee.

 

[Hendu0520]

Shakes wrote:

I think Lee isn't going to get the offer he wants this summer, if the reports of what he wants are correct. Maybe he'll take the QO. Which would probably suit the Knicks just fine.

If he was willing to sign a decent deal, then swapping him for Tyrus would be a solid upgrade for us. If we can't get one of the big names it's a decent plan B to get Lee.

David Lee is not an upgrade over Tyrus Thomas. We have problems defensively inside and David Lee is worse than Tyrus defensively. Lee is a better rebounder, but he can't defend a tree and he is not good offensively either. Tyrus has a better jumper, Lee might have slightly better post moves, but they are nothing to write home about. Lee avgerages so many points off of hustle and mostly because he is in the D'Antoni system where he gets a lot of extra possessions and long rebounds. I think people need to be careful about picking up Lee, plus he was basically a 3 in high school and college so he doesn't have natural inside instincts. I don't think he is what we need.

 

[Shakes]

Our biggest defensive problem is defensive rebounding, an area that Tyrus is weak at and Lee is one of the best in the league at. I don't think it's a given that we'd be worse defensively with Lee, in fact it's quite possible we'd be better.

Offensively he's not a star, but he's a very efficient player. Neither he or Tyrus is a great scorer, but Lee better understands his own limitations. I'd much rather have Lee's career .608 TS% than Tyrus' .512.

 

[Hendu0520]

Well I'll give you that he is a great defensive rebounder and he is bigger than Tyrus, but Tyrus is a better shot blocker so that evens out. Lee's TS% is better because in the D'Antoni system he just shoots layups and dunks, his jumper isn't great. Also Tyrus is still improving and only about to play in his 4th season whereas Lee is basically the player he is going to be. Plus we would have to take his new salary right? So I guess to me it depends what the Knicks would sign him too. If they sign him to a huge, long term deal then we shouldn't take him. If it is an 8mil 2 year deal maybe you do it, but not me. I would love a star in place of Tyrus for the long term and even if you think Lee is better I don't think it is that much of an upgrade.

 

[Shakes]

His TS% was actually down a bit this year under D'Antoni. This year Lee and Tyrus both shot around 35% on jump shots. Neither player is a good shooter, the two differences between them was that Lee took a lower percentage of his shots as jumpers, and is also a much better finisher on his layups.

I don't really expect much more than what we've seen out of Tyrus, most players who have gotten minutes don't improve significantly after their third year. He might get a little better.

As I said in my first post in this thread, I don't think Lee will sign for a reasonable deal, and will take the QO. If he decides he wants long term security and was willing to sign for a bit more than the MLE then he'd be a good pickup. This is assuming we miss out on Bosh/Amare/West. If you can't get a star, all you can do is try to put the best team you can together.