Upcoming CBA and the DH

[Parade_Rain]

I don't want to dig things up from the past about how I felt the DH would not be implemented in the NL due to taking on more salary, etc., but this does impact trade talks and other things. From Bleacher Nation-

No National League Designated Hitter in Next CBA? And Other Bullets
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Jayson Stark Verified account ‏@jaysonst Jayson Stark Retweeted Scott Kliesen
I don't see anything changing with the DH. Sorry!
Scott Kliesen @skliesen
@jaysonst All those words, and not once did you mention DH. I had heard there was a push to expand DH to NL. You must not think so.

Keep in mind, that’s someone who’s been reporting on the CBA, talking to both sides, for weeks. If you’re a proponent of the DH in the NL, you can consider your gut punched. I remain deeply frustrated by the inequity between the leagues by having a rule that inarguably favors the AL, but I have always questioned whether the appetite was going to be there for owners to approve the addition of what amounts to another high-paid position. I doubt AL owners feel strongly either way (and probably would lean against it), and I suspect most NL owners don’t want it. My hope has been that the players’ union would push for the NL DH in the next CBA as a way to increase revenues going to players, as part of a broader financial negotiations. Maybe that won’t happen.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/...ignated-hitter-in-next-cba-and-other-bullets/

 

[FrankieLyrical]

If there is a DH in the NL, Kyle Schwarber will find his permanent home with us.

 

[CSF77]

Cash has been the biggest issue with the NL taking on the DH. Teams don't want to add 10-15 more mil to payroll.

 

[brett05]

Cash has been the biggest issue with the NL taking on the DH. Teams don't want to add 10-15 more mil to payroll.

I agree to a point.

The imbalance on favoring the NL in IL play continues.

 

[CSF77]

I agree to a point.

The imbalance on favoring the NL in IL play continues.

Home team has the advantage in those series. AL teams become unhinged with out a DH to depend on.

NL teams can stick a bat in AAA and promote for a series

 

[CSF77]

Just the Cubs alone can promote Vogelbach next year vs moving Schwarber to DH. If they felt he was ready. Wouldn't affect his clock too much. Or promote Almora to improve the D and move Schwarber to DH. Guess it would depend of the field and which factor weighed more.

 

[brett05]

Home team has the advantage in those series. AL teams become unhinged with out a DH to depend on.

NL teams can stick a bat in AAA and promote for a series

Actually the NL always has the advantage unless you think that the Average AL team is a better team than the Average NL team. I believe in general the Average AL/NL team are equal thus the advantage the NL has at all times in IL play.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Actually the NL always has the advantage unless you think that the Average AL team is a better team than the Average NL team. I believe in general the Average AL/NL team are equal thus the advantage the NL has at all times in IL play.

Is that why the AL keeps winning the AS game and unfairly getting home field advantage in the WS?

 

[chibears55]

Is that why the AL keeps winning the AS game and unfairly getting home field advantage in the WS?

But NL holds WS advantage last 10 yrs at 6-4, including winning 4 of last 6...

AL may have better individual stars to field a better AS team but NL usually has better teams that end up in WS..

I agree, against most AL teams most NL teams has big advantage at home because of having pitchers who can handle the bat, plus which can be a huge factor the AL team may have to remove a better defensive player like the 1st basemen in order to get the player who the DH bat in lineup. .

so, basically the NL can benefit from adding the DH to their lineup to where it could hurt most AL teams to lose the DH in head to head matchups..

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[Parade_Rain]

But NL holds WS advantage last 10 yrs at 6-4, including winning 4 of last 6...

AL may have better individual stars to field a better AS team but NL usually has better teams that end up in WS..

I agree, against most AL teams most NL teams has big advantage at home because of having pitchers who can handle the bat, plus which can be a huge factor the AL team may have to remove a better defensive player like the 1st basemen in order to get the player who the DH bat in lineup. .

so, basically the NL can benefit from adding the DH to their lineup to where it could hurt most AL teams to lose the DH in head to head matchups..

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So IOW, the DH makes for bad baseball and pitchers hitting is good for baseball.

 

[chibears55]

So IOW, the DH makes for bad baseball and pitchers hitting is good for baseball.

Not my thoughts at all....

Both leagues has their own style of baseball , which im fine with..

Just when your talking about who has advantage in most head to head play, you have to side with the NL because as I stated above it doesn't hurt most NL teams to add a DH to their lineup as it would hurt most AL teams to do a combination of 3 things..
1. remove DH from lineup
2. bat a pitcher
3. remove a better everyday position player to get a DH bat in lineup who not so good defensively

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[Parade_Rain]

Not my thoughts at all....

Both leagues has their own style of baseball , which im fine with..

Just when your talking about who has advantage in most head to head play, you have to side with the NL because as I stated above it doesn't hurt most NL teams to add a DH to their lineup as it would hurt most AL teams to do a combination of 3 things..
1. remove DH from lineup
2. bat a pitcher
3. remove a better everyday position player to get a DH bat in lineup who not so good defensively

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I know it wasn't your thoughts, but that's what it all boils down to. The NL is a better brand of baseball. Why the AL teams struggle in the NL is that managing in the NL takes more energy. AL is a cruise control game. They aren't use to all of the mioves a manager needs to make in game.

 

[brett05]

I know it wasn't your thoughts, but that's what it all boils down to. The NL is a better brand of baseball. Why the AL teams struggle in the NL is that managing in the NL takes more energy. AL is a cruise control game. They aren't use to all of the mioves a manager needs to make in game.

:smh:

 

[Parade_Rain]

:smh:

Solid rebuttal you have there. :aj:

 

[brett05]

Solid rebuttal you have there. :aj:

Didn't see anything but your usual ramblings on the topic to rebut.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Didn't see anything but your usual ramblings on the topic to rebut.

Great. So you believe that there are as many double switches and lineup changes in the AL as in the NL. Surely you jest.

 

[brett05]

Great. So you believe that there are as many double switches and lineup changes in the AL as in the NL. Surely you jest.

:smh:

 

[DanTown]

I've always argued that the best idea for the DH is to say that whoever starts as the DH has only three PA and then the next DH must have at least two PA (so you can't PH a DH). After those two players combine for 5PA, a third player finishes the game at the DH spot. The advantage is that you have a better bat than your P in the game but the downsides are he might not bat late in the game (or early if you wait to use him), other teams know that you can't PH him, and obviously teams won't have incentive hide terrible fielders at the DH spot if it also reduces said players PA.

 

[CSF77]

I've always argued that the best idea for the DH is to say that whoever starts as the DH has only three PA and then the next DH must have at least two PA (so you can't PH a DH). After those two players combine for 5PA, a third player finishes the game at the DH spot. The advantage is that you have a better bat than your P in the game but the downsides are he might not bat late in the game (or early if you wait to use him), other teams know that you can't PH him, and obviously teams won't have incentive hide terrible fielders at the DH spot if it also reduces said players PA.

Aaaaannnnddd that would never happen