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With all the toxic CW vs. JF debates out there, I'm going to try to make a stream where we put very good and objective breakdowns of the kid. Again, he is a very good prospect. This breakdown with film is from an actual NCAA coach with 9 years coaching experience and 15 years of scouting experience. I would prefer to not make it a debate of Fields vs Williams so much as a discussion and linking of good, clear, and objective analyses of CW. On second thought, we could also use it to put the best and most objective analysis of other prospects as well.

Due to the intense lag time, I will post a text only version here which I originally found here, and you can go to the link below to see the linked film clips.


Welcome to Coach Knows Ball, an NFL Draft series analyzing the top prospects in the 2024 class. I'm a college football coach with nine years of NCAA experience and have been scouting NFL Draft prospects for over 15 years. This series will give a deep dive into the film of some of the top players in this draft class, with detailed insight into the strengths, weaknesses, and projections of future NFL standouts.

Scouting NFL draft prospects is about projecting translatable traits. There is often overlap between translatable traits and college performance, but there's a reason many top college players are not considered legitimate professionals. For example, a wide receiver being able to get in and out of breaks efficiently will not change from college to pro. On the flip side, an edge rusher who got most of his sacks due to hustle or missed offensive line assignments may not have shown translatable traits on film.

The film clips used in this series show the positive and negative traits of each pro prospect. Reading this article will give you a more in-depth look into each player with actual in-game visual evidence. We will kick off our Coach Knows Ball scouting series with USC QB Caleb Williams.



Caleb Williams Rookie Profile


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Caleb Williams is one of the most heralded college QB prospects of this decade. He started his career at Oklahoma and followed coach Lincoln Riley to Southern California, where he went 18-8 in two seasons. In 2022, Williams won the Heisman Trophy, putting up 4,537 passing yards, 42 touchdown passes, and just five interceptions. In 2023, he only threw for 30 touchdowns and lost five of his last six starts. He did, however, improve his completion percentage and yards per attempt.

The USC offense had some issues this past season, and there have been rumors about Williams' role in losing five of his last six games. In this series, we will focus on the film and judge each player based on what they did on the field. Let's dive in.

Special Traits
Playing quarterback is more art than science. Executing plays in the structure of the offense as drawn up on the whiteboard is part of the job, but it's rare that plays develop exactly how they are installed. Creativity is one of the most important traits for quarterbacks transitioning to the pro game, especially as it pertains to early-career performance. It will take thousands of reps and a lot of experience before a QB has mastery of his offense.

Caleb Williams' ability to create out of structure undoubtedly translates to the pro game. He possesses a rare mix of athleticism, twitchiness as an escape artist, balance, and the ability to throw accurately from different platforms and arm angles.

Williams is above average when it comes to that buzzword "arm talent." His arm is strong enough to drive the ball down the field, and his strong base allows him to rip the ball to all levels of the field in compromising positions, facing pressure, or on the run. He may be the best on-the-run passer I've ever scouted.

Williams separates from a lot of other QB prospects in his ability to put a special touch on all types of throws, including fade balls in the red zone or layering passes over level-two linebackers on time.

The most underrated part of Williams' passing skill set is how he uses elite balance and core strength to fire strikes from unconventional starting points. For example, his sturdy build allows him to set his feet extremely quickly and get the ball out while being pressured or chased.

In the clip below, you can see Williams react to a missed block, lose sight of his receiver, and still deliver a perfect ball to a target he knew would have a one-on-one. Notice the quick release in the face of pressure and how the ball jumps out of his hand without him taking any step forward. Williams standing shorter than 6-foot-2 gives him a low center of gravity that contributes to his incredible balance.

📷

In the clip below, Williams steps up in the pocket, scrambles to throw while staying behind the line of scrimmage, and delivers a seed while rolling left. The velocity of this ball is madness, and Williams shows unreal balance to be able to square his shoulders and rip it fast enough to where the defender can't close in time.

📷

In the clip below, Williams shows his ability to throw on the run to his right. The receiver can't complete the catch, but this is a bullet placed perfectly. D.J. Moore could probably snag it.

📷

While the clip above shows velocity, the clip below is an example of Williams using touch. His left tackle fails in protection, but Williams' escaping instincts kick in as he fades left and drops a dime in stride to his cross-runner.

📷

When escaping from pressure, Williams has an uncanny ability to deceive defenders and get outside of them. He doesn't quite execute a crossover, it's more of a quick square-up hesitation and explosion out, using unreal twitch to escape.

In the clip below, Williams shows off his escape ability, instincts, and creativity, delivering a hook shot in the scramble drill. People underestimate how much of the game is played on second-reaction plays.

📷

The clip below shows more of his patented hesitation, this time making a free Washington defender tumble to the ground. Williams finishes the play by knocking down the Washington DB. He's not physically imposing, but his balance and core strength shine on plays like this.

📷

Washington went to the College Football Playoff National Championship game this year. The clip below shows Caleb Williams putting on a show against top-tier Division 1 athletes. Williams is a gifted passer but can make people miss and score touchdowns with his legs as well. This spin move is straight out of Madden.

📷

Williams does an excellent job keeping his eyes up against pressure. He also has an innate sense of how to manipulate the pocket. The clip below is masterful. Williams works the play side of the passing concept, flips his eyes to the backside dig, all while evading pressure and moving in the pocket. He's able to somehow find an arm angle over the defender's hand to fit the ball into his third read.

📷

In Structure
There are questions about Williams' ability to play from the pocket and make decisions within the structure of his offense. The USC offense had some issues this past season, and Williams' production dipped as a result. However, evaluating draft prospects is not about judging college performance, it's about projecting traits that translate to the next level. I have no doubt Williams can operate an NFL offense at a high level.

One detail that stood out to me watching Williams' film was that he drew a lot of offsides penalty-free plays a la Aaron Rodgers. USC did use claps as part of the cadence, but that's still a useful trait that can be good for a lot of hidden yardage and potential for huge plays. Owning the huddle and mastering the cadence is an underrated aspect of QB play.

Can Williams go through progressions? There is nothing in his film that suggests he is incapable. Will he forego the easy play to try to make something big happen at times? Sure. But in-structure decision-making and progressions can be taught and developed. Special creative instincts are less teachable.

In the clip below, you can see Williams stay in the pocket and go through a full field progression. Williams has two slants to his left and a snag concept to his right. He doesn't like his slants, so he flips his eyes to the boundary to read the snag side. Notre Dame covers the spot route and swing, leaving his only option as the one-on-one out (or more likely a corner that the WR flattened). Having the guts to throw that ball in what is basically a full-field quick game is pretty special.

📷

The clip below shows the confidence Williams has in his arm. USC has a run play called, but the field receiver has an out route against off coverage. Throwing this to the field knowing he'll have to find an arm angle and drive the ball all the way out there shows special traits.

📷

In the clip below, USC is running a deep cross from the slot receiver working towards the boundary. Williams' manipulation of the pocket and hitching up is beautiful. He delivers a strike with perfect placement that allows his receiver to run after the catch.

📷

In the clip below, USC is running a Y-Leak concept that has the No. 3 receiver drag across the formation and sneak up the boundary numbers. Williams stays true to the play despite poor protection. He delivers an accurate ball while taking a big hit.

📷

Ball Security and Transition Concerns
By far the biggest negatives in Williams' film are his terrible ball security habits. For someone who likes to move around a lot and create, his carelessness with the football needs to be corrected. He's going to fumble a lot in the NFL as the bullets get faster.

My concern with Williams playing too much hero ball is not that it won't translate or work. It's that when the defense does make the necessary play, which obviously will happen at times, is he going to lose the ball? Williams does not appear to have huge hands, as there are instances of him simply losing grip of the football.

In the clip below, Washington's defensive line does a good job of containing and pushing the pocket into Williams. Caleb's escape attempt fails, and worst of all he swings the ball outside the framework of his body as he's trying to get away. The result is a bad fumble.

📷

The clip below is similar. Disturbingly, Williams brings the ball low and luckily does not lose possession. It would have made more sense for him to then eat it and take the sack to live for second down. Instead, he somehow loses the ball while being tackled.

📷

Interceptions were not a huge weakness in Williams' career, aside from one game against Notre Dame where he threw three picks. His mistakes typically happen when he tries to do too much.

The clip below is a straight-up bad decision. Williams has an open receiver, but can't get to him because the pressure forces him to the left. He's able to muscle the ball over the middle, but the backside safety does an unbelievable job of undercutting the No. 1 tight split receiver.

📷

If Williams' on-field game fails to translate, it will likely be because his tendency to run around and look for big plays leads to mistakes. Is he a special enough athlete to make NFL defenders look silly chasing him around? If the answer is no, there will likely be some growing pains as he learns to play in structure more than he had to in college.

NFL Outlook
Caleb Williams has all the traits of an NFL franchise QB, including a big arm and the athleticism to escape and make plays with his legs. His ability to pass accurately from all different arm angles and body positions is special. Williams thrives out of structure, using creativity and instincts to move the ball and hit big plays. His internal clock and ability to keep his eyes downfield make it likely that he will only get better in structure as well. The traits he shows on film make him one of the best QB prospects I've ever scouted and a potential superstar.
 

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With all the toxic CW vs. JF debates out there, I'm going to try to make a stream where we put very good and objective breakdowns of the kid. Again, he is a very good prospect. This breakdown with film is from an actual NCAA coach with 9 years coaching experience and 15 years of scouting experience. I would prefer to not make it a debate of Fields vs Williams so much as a discussion and linking of good, clear, and objective analyses of CW. On second thought, we could also use it to put the best and most objective analysis of other prospects as well.

Due to the intense lag time, I will post a text only version here which I originally found here, and you can go to the link below to see the linked film clips.


Welcome to Coach Knows Ball, an NFL Draft series analyzing the top prospects in the 2024 class. I'm a college football coach with nine years of NCAA experience and have been scouting NFL Draft prospects for over 15 years. This series will give a deep dive into the film of some of the top players in this draft class, with detailed insight into the strengths, weaknesses, and projections of future NFL standouts.

Scouting NFL draft prospects is about projecting translatable traits. There is often overlap between translatable traits and college performance, but there's a reason many top college players are not considered legitimate professionals. For example, a wide receiver being able to get in and out of breaks efficiently will not change from college to pro. On the flip side, an edge rusher who got most of his sacks due to hustle or missed offensive line assignments may not have shown translatable traits on film.

The film clips used in this series show the positive and negative traits of each pro prospect. Reading this article will give you a more in-depth look into each player with actual in-game visual evidence. We will kick off our Coach Knows Ball scouting series with USC QB Caleb Williams.



Caleb Williams Rookie Profile


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Caleb Williams is one of the most heralded college QB prospects of this decade. He started his career at Oklahoma and followed coach Lincoln Riley to Southern California, where he went 18-8 in two seasons. In 2022, Williams won the Heisman Trophy, putting up 4,537 passing yards, 42 touchdown passes, and just five interceptions. In 2023, he only threw for 30 touchdowns and lost five of his last six starts. He did, however, improve his completion percentage and yards per attempt.

The USC offense had some issues this past season, and there have been rumors about Williams' role in losing five of his last six games. In this series, we will focus on the film and judge each player based on what they did on the field. Let's dive in.

Special Traits
Playing quarterback is more art than science. Executing plays in the structure of the offense as drawn up on the whiteboard is part of the job, but it's rare that plays develop exactly how they are installed. Creativity is one of the most important traits for quarterbacks transitioning to the pro game, especially as it pertains to early-career performance. It will take thousands of reps and a lot of experience before a QB has mastery of his offense.

Caleb Williams' ability to create out of structure undoubtedly translates to the pro game. He possesses a rare mix of athleticism, twitchiness as an escape artist, balance, and the ability to throw accurately from different platforms and arm angles.

Williams is above average when it comes to that buzzword "arm talent." His arm is strong enough to drive the ball down the field, and his strong base allows him to rip the ball to all levels of the field in compromising positions, facing pressure, or on the run. He may be the best on-the-run passer I've ever scouted.

Williams separates from a lot of other QB prospects in his ability to put a special touch on all types of throws, including fade balls in the red zone or layering passes over level-two linebackers on time.

The most underrated part of Williams' passing skill set is how he uses elite balance and core strength to fire strikes from unconventional starting points. For example, his sturdy build allows him to set his feet extremely quickly and get the ball out while being pressured or chased.

In the clip below, you can see Williams react to a missed block, lose sight of his receiver, and still deliver a perfect ball to a target he knew would have a one-on-one. Notice the quick release in the face of pressure and how the ball jumps out of his hand without him taking any step forward. Williams standing shorter than 6-foot-2 gives him a low center of gravity that contributes to his incredible balance.

📷

In the clip below, Williams steps up in the pocket, scrambles to throw while staying behind the line of scrimmage, and delivers a seed while rolling left. The velocity of this ball is madness, and Williams shows unreal balance to be able to square his shoulders and rip it fast enough to where the defender can't close in time.

📷

In the clip below, Williams shows his ability to throw on the run to his right. The receiver can't complete the catch, but this is a bullet placed perfectly. D.J. Moore could probably snag it.

📷

While the clip above shows velocity, the clip below is an example of Williams using touch. His left tackle fails in protection, but Williams' escaping instincts kick in as he fades left and drops a dime in stride to his cross-runner.

📷

When escaping from pressure, Williams has an uncanny ability to deceive defenders and get outside of them. He doesn't quite execute a crossover, it's more of a quick square-up hesitation and explosion out, using unreal twitch to escape.

In the clip below, Williams shows off his escape ability, instincts, and creativity, delivering a hook shot in the scramble drill. People underestimate how much of the game is played on second-reaction plays.

📷

The clip below shows more of his patented hesitation, this time making a free Washington defender tumble to the ground. Williams finishes the play by knocking down the Washington DB. He's not physically imposing, but his balance and core strength shine on plays like this.

📷

Washington went to the College Football Playoff National Championship game this year. The clip below shows Caleb Williams putting on a show against top-tier Division 1 athletes. Williams is a gifted passer but can make people miss and score touchdowns with his legs as well. This spin move is straight out of Madden.

📷

Williams does an excellent job keeping his eyes up against pressure. He also has an innate sense of how to manipulate the pocket. The clip below is masterful. Williams works the play side of the passing concept, flips his eyes to the backside dig, all while evading pressure and moving in the pocket. He's able to somehow find an arm angle over the defender's hand to fit the ball into his third read.

📷

In Structure
There are questions about Williams' ability to play from the pocket and make decisions within the structure of his offense. The USC offense had some issues this past season, and Williams' production dipped as a result. However, evaluating draft prospects is not about judging college performance, it's about projecting traits that translate to the next level. I have no doubt Williams can operate an NFL offense at a high level.

One detail that stood out to me watching Williams' film was that he drew a lot of offsides penalty-free plays a la Aaron Rodgers. USC did use claps as part of the cadence, but that's still a useful trait that can be good for a lot of hidden yardage and potential for huge plays. Owning the huddle and mastering the cadence is an underrated aspect of QB play.

Can Williams go through progressions? There is nothing in his film that suggests he is incapable. Will he forego the easy play to try to make something big happen at times? Sure. But in-structure decision-making and progressions can be taught and developed. Special creative instincts are less teachable.

In the clip below, you can see Williams stay in the pocket and go through a full field progression. Williams has two slants to his left and a snag concept to his right. He doesn't like his slants, so he flips his eyes to the boundary to read the snag side. Notre Dame covers the spot route and swing, leaving his only option as the one-on-one out (or more likely a corner that the WR flattened). Having the guts to throw that ball in what is basically a full-field quick game is pretty special.

📷

The clip below shows the confidence Williams has in his arm. USC has a run play called, but the field receiver has an out route against off coverage. Throwing this to the field knowing he'll have to find an arm angle and drive the ball all the way out there shows special traits.

📷

In the clip below, USC is running a deep cross from the slot receiver working towards the boundary. Williams' manipulation of the pocket and hitching up is beautiful. He delivers a strike with perfect placement that allows his receiver to run after the catch.

📷

In the clip below, USC is running a Y-Leak concept that has the No. 3 receiver drag across the formation and sneak up the boundary numbers. Williams stays true to the play despite poor protection. He delivers an accurate ball while taking a big hit.

📷

Ball Security and Transition Concerns
By far the biggest negatives in Williams' film are his terrible ball security habits. For someone who likes to move around a lot and create, his carelessness with the football needs to be corrected. He's going to fumble a lot in the NFL as the bullets get faster.

My concern with Williams playing too much hero ball is not that it won't translate or work. It's that when the defense does make the necessary play, which obviously will happen at times, is he going to lose the ball? Williams does not appear to have huge hands, as there are instances of him simply losing grip of the football.

In the clip below, Washington's defensive line does a good job of containing and pushing the pocket into Williams. Caleb's escape attempt fails, and worst of all he swings the ball outside the framework of his body as he's trying to get away. The result is a bad fumble.

📷

The clip below is similar. Disturbingly, Williams brings the ball low and luckily does not lose possession. It would have made more sense for him to then eat it and take the sack to live for second down. Instead, he somehow loses the ball while being tackled.

📷

Interceptions were not a huge weakness in Williams' career, aside from one game against Notre Dame where he threw three picks. His mistakes typically happen when he tries to do too much.

The clip below is a straight-up bad decision. Williams has an open receiver, but can't get to him because the pressure forces him to the left. He's able to muscle the ball over the middle, but the backside safety does an unbelievable job of undercutting the No. 1 tight split receiver.

📷

If Williams' on-field game fails to translate, it will likely be because his tendency to run around and look for big plays leads to mistakes. Is he a special enough athlete to make NFL defenders look silly chasing him around? If the answer is no, there will likely be some growing pains as he learns to play in structure more than he had to in college.

NFL Outlook
Caleb Williams has all the traits of an NFL franchise QB, including a big arm and the athleticism to escape and make plays with his legs. His ability to pass accurately from all different arm angles and body positions is special. Williams thrives out of structure, using creativity and instincts to move the ball and hit big plays. His internal clock and ability to keep his eyes downfield make it likely that he will only get better in structure as well. The traits he shows on film make him one of the best QB prospects I've ever scouted and a potential superstar.
I like this..........I like when both sides are shown, both the good and the bad. I believe his conclusion is correct Williams will be the first player taken in this draft, and rightfully so.
 

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I forgot who but someone of note tracked all the draft QBs on short field accuracy and effectiveness and Caleb was 1st in that as well. We all know he passes up on those too often and takes too long to throw overall for the pro game but that's also partially scheme related. With him, it's less about what he can do but what he will do. He's very capable of seeing and hitting shorts in stride.

The point is that he's extremely reliable on the layups and that's not something I can currently say about Fields. Passing on them to make a few big plays is different than just passing on them. How much CW will be able to reign that in and acclimate to the pro game is more the question than anything else but that's true for every drafted QB.

Maye is good from the pocket, not as surgical with those throws but is an interesting prospect with upside. JJ? Not over CW. Daniels is actually not great at intermediate passing.

My biggest issue with Fields is missing on gimme's whether by choice, timing/positioning the throw for yac or general inaccuracy. He's obviously worked on his motion and is more on top of it and he can make the big play with the NFL being a big play league. It's why he will always be a viable or better NFL starter but there's room there if you feel comfortable with the option.

There's only 2 QBs in this draft that I'd consider moving off Fields for and that's CW or Maye. I have my preferences but I'll wait and see before I judge the outcome whether we stick with Fields or move on.
 
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I forgot who but someone of note tracked all the draft QBs on short field accuracy and effectiveness and Caleb was 1st in that as well. We all know he passes up on those too often and takes too long to throw overall for the pro game but that's also partially scheme related. With him, it's less about what he can do but what he will do. He's very capable of seeing and hitting shorts in stride.

The point is that he's extremely reliable on the layups and that's not something I can currently say about Fields. Passing on them to make a few big plays is different than just passing on them. How much CW will be able to reign that in and acclimate to the pro game is more the question than anything else but that's true for every drafted QB.

Maye is good from the pocket, not as surgical with those throws but is an interesting prospect with upside. JJ? Not over CW. Daniels is actually not great at intermediate passing.

My biggest issue with Fields is missing on gimme's whether by choice, timing/positioning the throw for yac or general inaccuracy. He's obviously worked on his motion and is more on top of it and he can make the big play with the NFL being a big play league. It's why he will always be a viable or better NFL starter but there's room there if you feel comfortable with the option.

There's only 2 QBs in this draft that I'd consider moving off Fields for and that's CW or Maye. I have my preferences but I'll wait and see before I judge the outcome.
Not that I’m arguing CW vs Fields, but I think Williams is the only QB that’s is worth considering in this draft. My position of Fields is clear.

I do agree with your assessment on CW choosing not to hit the short passes because going game hunting. And, yes, this is where Fields needs to continue to improve.
 

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Not that I’m arguing CW vs Fields, but I think Williams is the only QB that’s is worth considering in this draft. My position of Fields is clear.

I do agree with your assessment on CW choosing not to hit the short passes because going game hunting. And, yes, this is where Fields needs to continue to improve.
I get it with Maye as well since it's a bit too familiar to Chicago fans but he's not a late riser and he comes from a jock household as well as being the prototypical NFL profile. He's basically this years Justin Herbert. Even his motion looks similar. He and CW likely go 1-2 last year as well.
 

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No disputing the talent and potential but does he possess the emotional maturity to realize it? Is he all in on football or fashion? My heart is with fields.
Fashion? Pull your pants up. Your bias is showing. We will all discover that his attitude and leadership are great, just like we did with Fields when there was a lot more nonsensical buzz about his work ethic and leadership.

Buy the way. CW took his OL with him to the Heisman awards? What an ass!
 

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Fashion? Pull your pants up. Your bias is showing. We will all discover that his attitude and leadership are great, just like we did with Fields when there was a lot more nonsensical buzz about his work ethic and leadership.

Buy the way. CW took his OL with him to the Heisman awards? What an ass!
Well i guess we will discover If he’s the real deal or not Soon enough. Claypool 2 or the first modern day great Bears qb. Im not biased as much as doubtful
 

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I forgot who but someone of note tracked all the draft QBs on short field accuracy and effectiveness and Caleb was 1st in that as well. We all know he passes up on those too often and takes too long to throw overall for the pro game but that's also partially scheme related. With him, it's less about what he can do but what he will do. He's very capable of seeing and hitting shorts in stride.

The point is that he's extremely reliable on the layups and that's not something I can currently say about Fields. Passing on them to make a few big plays is different than just passing on them. How much CW will be able to reign that in and acclimate to the pro game is more the question than anything else but that's true for every drafted QB.

Maye is good from the pocket, not as surgical with those throws but is an interesting prospect with upside. JJ? Not over CW. Daniels is actually not great at intermediate passing.

My biggest issue with Fields is missing on gimme's whether by choice, timing/positioning the throw for yac or general inaccuracy. He's obviously worked on his motion and is more on top of it and he can make the big play with the NFL being a big play league. It's why he will always be a viable or better NFL starter but there's room there if you feel comfortable with the option.

There's only 2 QBs in this draft that I'd consider moving off Fields for and that's CW or Maye. I have my preferences but I'll wait and see before I judge the outcome whether we stick with Fields or move on.
Williams: 37/0 TD/int ratio on throws between 0-10 yards. Processing speed, quick release and timing.
 

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Williams completion percentage vs pressure this past season dropped by 4%. C.J Stroud went from 54% and dipped all the way to 41% in his final season. Just a case of where statistics can get you in trouble if you don't really do your homework. Or the crux of your argument hinges on them.
 

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Williams: 37/0 TD/int ratio on throws between 0-10 yards. Processing speed, quick release and timing.
This is the one thing I worry most about with Fields. His short touch throws make me nervous. It's the easiest throws he misses which to me is mental. Everything is still moving fast in his mind.
I honestly think the game will slow down for him and he will end up great.
Just my opinion
 

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Now do fields on that stat in college. Thanks
They're not comparable. Fields didn't throw it short all the much in collage. His best numbers, or most of his production came at the mid range. Scheme also plays a factor. Short game has never been a strength he possess.
 

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This is the one thing I worry most about with Fields. His short touch throws make me nervous. It's the easiest throws he misses which to me is mental. Everything is still moving fast in his mind.
I honestly think the game will slow down for him and he will end up great.
Just my opinion
Cutler was the same way with the short touch throws. Never got better. I think that’s generally something you have or you don’t. Think consistency will always be a problem with those throws
 

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Well i guess we will discover If he’s the real deal or not Soon enough. Claypool 2 or the first modern day great Bears qb. Im not biased as much as doubtful
I think the Claypool and fashion remarks speak for themselves regardless of what you think your true feelings may be.
 

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I get it with Maye as well since it's a bit too familiar to Chicago fans but he's not a late riser and he comes from a jock household as well as being the prototypical NFL profile. He's basically this years Justin Herbert. Even his motion looks similar. He and CW likely go 1-2 last year as well.
I’m busy with the family today. Can you or someone try to post objective analyses of Maye and Daniels? I’ll see what I can do, but today’s busy.
 

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I’m busy with the family today. Can you or someone try to post objective analyses of Maye and Daniels? I’ll see what I can do, but today’s busy.

One guy is basically mitch with a nicer car/arm

The other guy is basically fields but a shittier car/arm.

There ya go, the TLDR
 

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Neither will be options cause bears fans will have PTSD

Its caleb or fields, i'll be shocked if they go elsewhere.
 

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