Watson vs Trubersky against Miami

[ijustposthere]

With 1 or 2 more games than any other QB in the NFL.

He is actually tied for 15th in total TD/GM at QB.

But my post was meant to be a troll joke anyhow, I care about as much what Blake Bortles does as what Watson does. There are only about 4 QB's that I watch closely and they play in the NFC North and only one I reeeeeaaally care about.

Honestly, I care because I want to see the new crop of QBs take over. Brady/Brees/Rodgers aren't going to play forever. We already lost one of the all-time greats in Manning (Peyton, not Eli), and no one has really stepped up. The game will be more exciting if Mahomes/Watson/Trubisky/Mayfield all pan out. Unfortunately, the one I have the least confidence in happens to be on my favorite team.

 

[Bearly]

WTF are you talking about? The comparison was Watson vs Cutler and I used Watson's entire career. But fine, if you want me to discuss Trubs.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00.htm

What career stats say Trubs is good?

Trubs has 20 TDs and 13 Ints in 18 games. His stats do not compare to Watson's at all. Watson once again has 34 TDs and 15 Ints in 15 games. The only way you can claim Trubs is good statistically is excluding much of his first year. So the stats are not great for Trubs over his career unless you cherry pick.



Note - For all the meatballs that will claim I hating on Mitch, I was not even talking about him. I was talking Watson vs Cutler. Sugar decided to get hurt feelings even though Mitch was not brought up which forced me to make the comparison. And the simple fact is over all of their games, it is factually correct that Watson has performed much better to date. This is a factual statement and says nothing about their progress or future potential.

Using career stats doesn't represent where where they are this year which is all that matters. You claim neutrality but then find a stat accurate way to bias an argument. Also, Watson's end zone picks may not have been redzone but they were just outside and I know one at least started in the redzone before losing a few yards. I am not dumping on Watson here but the implication that these may have been end of game desperation or bombs etc and should be dismissed is disingenuous. I know you didn't specifically say that but they were in scoring position when those turnovers happened which is the main point of noting the red zone. That said, his stats are better than Mitches and he also makes plays. Watson>Trubisky until he isn't.

 

[WindyCity]

Ouch, I must admit, THAT one hurt a little. I wish Matt Millen incompetency on no one.

Ryan Pace win percentage .310
Matt Millen win percentage .280

Theo Epstein has a .366 win percentage in his first 3 years with the Cubs.

When you take over a rebuild you are going to eat a ton of loses.

I know he had a track record from Boston, but the NFL early hires retread GMs.

 

[truthbedamned]

WTF are you talking about? The comparison was Watson vs Cutler and I used Watson's entire career. But fine, if you want me to discuss Trubs.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00.htm

What career stats say Trubs is good?

Trubs has 20 TDs and 13 Ints in 18 games. His stats do not compare to Watson's at all. Watson once again has 34 TDs and 15 Ints in 15 games. The only way you can claim Trubs is good statistically is excluding much of his first year. So the stats are not great for Trubs over his career unless you cherry pick.



Note - For all the meatballs that will claim I hating on Mitch, I was not even talking about him. I was talking Watson vs Cutler. Sugar decided to get hurt feelings even though Mitch was not brought up which forced me to make the comparison. And the simple fact is over all of their games, it is factually correct that Watson has performed much better to date. This is a factual statement and says nothing about their progress or future potential.

You weren't "forced" to do anything. Only thing you are "forced" to do is pay your taxes and die.

 

[xer0h0ur]

CRM be like

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

CRM be like

He has literally not gotten ONE prediction right in the last 24 weeks of NFL games. It's A LOT of Ls.

 

[remydat]

Using career stats doesn't represent where where they are this year which is all that matters. You claim neutrality but then find a stat accurate way to bias an argument. Also, Watson's end zone picks may not have been redzone but they were just outside and I know one at least started in the redzone before losing a few yards. I am not dumping on Watson here but the implication that these may have been end of game desperation or bombs etc and should be dismissed is disingenuous. I know you didn't specifically say that but they were in scoring position when those turnovers happened which is the main point of noting the red zone. That said, his stats are better than Mitches and he also makes plays. Watson>Trubisky until he isn't.

The topic was never about this year. Once again I was comparing Cutler and Watson so I used Watson's career stats because they basically represented a full season and note that people trying to say Watson is Cutler are being stupid because Watson has 34 TDs to 15 Ints over a season worth's of games while Cutler never came close to that.

So read the note dude. It was never about Watson vs Trubs until a Trubs nuthugger decided to bring Trubs up. I did not find a way to bias anything. It was entirely fair to use a full season to compare Watson and Cutler and if there was bias it was from Sugar feeling the need to bring up Trubs which at that point it would be biased for me to change the basis of measurement that I had already established in comparing Watson and Cutler.

If you going to respond read the whole history and go question Sugar on why he felt the need to interject Trubs into a Watson vs Cutler discussion.

It is truly odd I can't compare Watson and Cutler without a Trubs nuthugger getting offended and you coming along and completely ignoring their fanaticism to come after me for using the same basis of measurement I used between Watson and Cutler to compare Watson and Trubs. Basically you getting upset over something Sugar started and because I didnt rig things in Trubs favor.

 

[SugarWalls]

The topic was never about this year. Once again I was comparing Cutler and Watson so I used Watson's career stats because they basically represented a full season and note that people trying to say Watson is Cutler are being stupid because Watson has 34 TDs to 15 Ints over a season worth's of games while Cutler never came close to that.

So read the note dude. It was never about Watson vs Trubs until a Trubs nuthugger decided to bring Trubs up. I did not find a way to bias anything. It was entirely fair to use a full season to compare Watson and Cutler and if there was bias it was from Sugar feeling the need to bring up Trubs which at that point it would be biased for me to change the basis of measurement that I had already established in comparing Watson and Cutler.

If you going to respond read the whole history and go question Sugar on why he felt the need to interject Trubs into a Watson vs Cutler discussion.

It is truly odd I can't compare Watson and Cutler without a Trubs nuthugger getting offended and you coming along and completely ignoring their fanaticism to come after me for using the same basis of measurement I used between Watson and Cutler to compare Watson and Trubs. Basically you getting upset over something Sugar started and because I didnt rig things in Trubs favor.

You keep saying other people are upset but you seem to be the one that is really really really mad.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Are we all just going to ignore the fact that Mahomes, Watson, and Mitch all could have good to great careers? It’s not like it’s written in stone that only 1 QB per draft class is allowed to be good.


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Mahomes, Watson and Trubisky.... one of those things definitely doesn’t belong.

 

[remydat]

You weren't "forced" to do anything. Only thing you are "forced" to do is pay your taxes and die.

Lol you guys find the dumbest things to argue about. It was not a literal statement. It was used to emphasize the fact I was not talking Trubs until Sugar needlessly brought it up.

 

[SugarWalls]

Lol you guys find the dumbest things to argue about. It was not a literal statement. It was used to emphasize the fact I was not talking Trubs until Sugar needlessly brought it up.

I made a one line comment about stats and in the mean time you’ve written two rage filled novels. Relax bud.

 

[remydat]

You keep saying other people are upset but you seem to be the one that is really really really mad.

I am responding logically to the argument. By contrast you irrationally brought up Trubs when I was discussing Watson and Cutler because of some past grievance. That is what makes you mad.

 

[remydat]

I made a one line comment about stats and in the mean time you’ve written two rage filled novels. Relax bud.

A one line comment unrelated to the topic that has led two other Trubs fans to respond hence the exchanges. It always drags on when people being irrational.

It is asinine because Watson in 15 games has 3,875 yards, 34 TDs, 15 Ints, 100.4 QB rating, and 8.3 yards per attempt. Those numbers blow away any season Cutler has ever had.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm

What year you saying stacks up to Watson? The dude has played a single year with a 2 to 1 TD to Int ratio. Watson is well over 2 to 1. Do you know how bad you have to be to not post a single season with 2 to 1 TD to Int ratio in 12 years?

Here we go stats are great for Watson but stats saying trubisky is good and we move the goal posts wayyyy back and say he’s also failing the all important ‘eye test.’

You will note in the above, my original comment had nothing to do with Trubs. It was a statistical comparison between Watson and Cutler and since Cutler's numbers are broken up into season and Watson's career is 15 games (ie a season), that is why I chose that comparison.

Your response to me had nothing to do with the point. You were simply a bitter Trubs fan that made some whiny comment about stats being great for Watson but not Trubs when nothing I said in my post had anything to do with Trubs.

That is why your argument came off as bitter and angry. You strawmanned your way into a debate I was having over Watson and Cutler because you mad and because you see me as some representative for the side you mad with. Not everything is about Trubs bro so perhaps you should stop carrying around this baggage in every thread and relax bud!

 

[Novak]

Theo Epstein has a .366 win percentage in his first 3 years with the Cubs.

When you take over a rebuild you are going to eat a ton of loses.

I know he had a track record from Boston, but the NFL early hires retread GMs.

If pace is to win a Superbowl, it will be unprecedented in the NFL. I broke this down around week 1. He'd be setting a new baseline for future GMs of any NFL franchise.

 

[Midwaymonster75]

So the Texans and Bears both found themselves in similar situations against this same Dolphins team. Let's take a look at how each QB responded to being up 21-10

Trubersky proceeded to throw a boneheaded pick in the end zone and didn't prove he could be trusted to throw on 3rd and 6 in OT.

Watson proceeded to throw 3 more touchdowns and put the Dolphins away for good.

Small sample size, but man, if only the Bears could have had a chance to draft a quarterback like DeShaun Watson. Oh well. I guess they're stuck with Trubersky.

kill yourself.

 

[CRM 114]

kill yourself.

Imagine telling someone to kill themselves because you don't agree with their posts on a message board. Get off of of Trubersky's nutsack.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Imagine telling someone to kill themselves because you don't agree with their posts on a message board. Get off of of Trubersky's nutsack.

It's OK buddy, I reported that fat loser.