We may have to come to terms that we probably can't have our cake and eat it too

[Toast88]

Like everyone on here, I'm excited about the Bears' high draft pick and am hoping for the best outcome out of whatever they decide to do with it.

But I'm seeing more and more the idea that we can have our cake and eat it too----Namely, that the Bears can trade out of, say, the #2 or #3 pick and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. Or trade the #2 pick for the #7 pick. or something like that.

Guys, it's going to have to be one or the other. The Bears aren't going to be able to draft an elite very-top-of-the-draft player *and* accumulate additional first round picks. It's not going to happen. They're also probably not going to be able to trade out of the #2/#3 spot and still draft in the top 7-8. Not too many Ryan Paces at the top of the draft order.

It will be interesting to see what Poles does: Does he accumulate more picks to fill the myriad of holes on the team, or does he go high risk/high reward, stand pat and pick a potentially elite defender with the #2/#3 pick?

I'll be excited and hoping for the best either way, but I don't think both will happen.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Like everyone on here, I'm excited about the Bears' high draft pick and am hoping for the best outcome out of whatever they decide to do with it.

But I'm seeing more and more the idea that we can have our cake and eat it too----Namely, that the Bears can trade out of, say, the #2 or #3 pick and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. Or trade the #2 pick for the #7 pick. or something like that.

Guys, it's going to have to be one or the other. The Bears aren't going to be able to draft an elite very-top-of-the-draft player *and* accumulate additional first round picks. It's not going to happen. They're also probably not going to be able to trade out of the #2/#3 spot and still draft in the top 7-8. Not too many Ryan Paces at the top of the draft order.

It will be interesting to see what Poles does: Does he accumulate more picks to fill the myriad of holes on the team, or does he go high risk/high reward, stand pat and pick a potentially elite defender with the #2/#3 pick?

I'll be excited and hoping for the best either way, but I don't think both will happen.

Why not? Atlanta (who literally has Pace on staff) currently picks at 6. Colts pick at 5. And Carolina picks at 8. All need a QB. Anyways…. This is premature as we don’t know where teams will pick yet but it’s definitely possible. Now trading down and still getting Anderson or Carter…. That’s much much harder.

 

[r1terrell23]

It comes down to this.

If you believe Anderson and Carter are All Pro HOF types, do you pass on them? I would not since we have more picks and a ton of cap space. Not to mention, the QB is about 75 percent of the battle in the NFL. If you think Anderson and Carter will be good but not special, then you trade down.

 

[CreepyBasementGuy]

Lets not assume this team is gonna finish with 3 wins either. I know this sounds weird to say cuz this team is bad, but theyve played relatively better last 2 weeks against 2 superbowl contenders, they could easily win 1 or both of the upcoming games if the Bears don't tank hard enough. Not saying they will, but just saying they could win 1 or 2 of the last 2 here especially them being divisional games.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Lets not assume this team is gonna finish with 3 wins either. I know this sounds weird to say cuz this team is bad, but theyve played relatively better last 2 weeks against 2 superbowl contenders, they could easily win 1 or both of the upcoming games if the Bears don't tank hard enough. Not saying they will, but just saying they could win 1 or 2 of the last 2 here especially them being divisional games.

The bears did not play well against Buffalo. The better teams always surge in the 2nd half. It's been that way all season. The bears don't have the talent or depth to keep up. They're so bad they can win the turnover battle and still get boat raced.

 

[baredown]

At the top of this draft, there are just two players, Carter & Anderson (choose your order...). The QB prospects aren't at that level. None of them project to be high-ceiling guys, except for possibly Richardson, who is extremely raw. While I can see QB-needy teams taking a flier on one with their 1st round pick, I don't see any team making a Lance-type investment in any of them. It seems far more likely to me that teams would be looking to move up to get Carter and/or Anderson. Those are the top-level talents, and they also play the highest-value positions outside of QB. Frankly, I'm more concerned about a team like Seattle or Arizona moving up to grab Carter or Anderson, and taking the guy the Bears really want. In that type scenario, Houston moves down 2-3 slots and can still get their preference for a QB.

The Bears trading down and still getting Carter or Anderson? No chance. That's pipe-dream stuff...

 

[BradyJay]

I'm not a huge trade back guy. The Bears need top players more than anyone and will have a top pick. Make your selection.

 

[baselman1974]

2017 was a similar year of QBs this year looked what happened. Bears traded 2 3rds and a 4th for Mitch. Kc gave up 3rd round pick and 1st next year for Mahomes. Finally Houston gave up a next years 1st rounder for Watson.

We don’t know how teams evaluate QBs. Some team might jump up to bears pick to get QB. I just don’t understand how the Bears got Fields at no. 11 in 2021 draft.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

It comes down to this.

If you believe Anderson and Carter are All Pro HOF types, do you pass on them? I would not since we have more picks and a ton of cap space. Not to mention, the QB is about 75 percent of the battle in the NFL. If you think Anderson and Carter will be good but not special, then you trade down.

It’s hard to turn down a crazy deal like what eagles got from 49ers. Especially we don’t know where those picks will be in 24/25 and talent level of those drafts. I really like both Anderson and Carter but 3 first round picks is 3 first round picks. This is like opposite pace

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Like everyone on here, I'm excited about the Bears' high draft pick and am hoping for the best outcome out of whatever they decide to do with it.

But I'm seeing more and more the idea that we can have our cake and eat it too----Namely, that the Bears can trade out of, say, the #2 or #3 pick and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. Or trade the #2 pick for the #7 pick. or something like that.

Guys, it's going to have to be one or the other. The Bears aren't going to be able to draft an elite very-top-of-the-draft player *and* accumulate additional first round picks. It's not going to happen. They're also probably not going to be able to trade out of the #2/#3 spot and still draft in the top 7-8. Not too many Ryan Paces at the top of the draft order.

It will be interesting to see what Poles does: Does he accumulate more picks to fill the myriad of holes on the team, or does he go high risk/high reward, stand pat and pick a potentially elite defender with the #2/#3 pick?

I'll be excited and hoping for the best either way, but I don't think both will happen.

I hope you're wrong. I recently posted a long thread showing the results of the last 10 drafts with the 1st 5 picks thinking we would not get down any lower plus several other notable picks in the 1st round. I was surprised to see a ton of 5-10, teens and even lower picks were equal to or better than the top 5 guys. If Poles is good he/we should not be afraid to trade down. Check out the thread if you have a few minutes.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

2017 was a similar year of QBs this year looked what happened. Bears traded 2 3rds and a 4th for Mitch. Kc gave up 3rd round pick and 1st next year for Mahomes. Finally Houston gave up a next years 1st rounder for Watson.

We don’t know how teams evaluate QBs. Some team might jump up to bears pick to get QB. I just don’t understand how the Bears got Fields at no. 11 in 2021 draft.

NfL rigged it for Virginia as a 100th birthday present early.

 

[Anytime23]

Have a lot of fans been thinking they could draft around 6-8 and still land one of those guys?

I feel like most realists understand it’s either get the draft haul or the “can’t miss” DL. Or if they can make it to 1, i don't see why they cant get a team to move up a couple spots and send them some day 2 picks while still landing one of the DL, assuming 2 QBs go first. That's meeting in the middle. We'll see where draft stock is in a few months but right now im team trade down. They've got a lot of work to do and if they can get the kings ransom, that will go a long way in rebuilding.

 

[Toast88]

I hope you're wrong. I recently posted a long thread showing the results of the last 10 drafts with the 1st 5 picks thinking we would not get down any lower plus several other notable picks in the 1st round. I was surprised to see a ton of 5-10, teens and even lower picks were equal to or better than the top 5 guys. If Poles is good he/we should not be afraid to trade down. Check out the thread if you have a few minutes.

Thanks—will do

 

[CAP BOSO]

I don't see anyone trading up with us for #2 or #1 from #3 or #4 for us to get Carter or Anderson. Those teams know we aren't taking a QB. I could see Philly parting with some of their draft picks to move up since they have New Orleans pick. They could want to add a stud like Anderson or Carter. I think Indy is definitely in "we need to find our fucking qb" mode because they have pretty much everything else to be a good team. I'd say those are our most likely trade down partners.

 

[mecha]

Why not? Atlanta (who literally has Pace on staff) currently picks at 6. Colts pick at 5. And Carolina picks at 8. All need a QB. Anyways…. This is premature as we don’t know where teams will pick yet but it’s definitely possible. Now trading down and still getting Anderson or Carter…. That’s much much harder.

this is honestly the core reason mock drafts are a complete waste of time. you don't know what draft day trades are going to happen. teams literally never pick in the order they're slated to.

 

[ILoveDick]

I'm typically not a trade down guy, but we need an infusion of talent quickly. Fields will already be in year 3. We need to make absolutely sure he can throw a football before offering a second contract. Time is running out.

It's hard to believe it will be 5 years since we were any good. 2018 was fun, but we still have some of the same problems. A shit o-line and an unproven QB.

 

[r1terrell23]

It’s hard to turn down a crazy deal like what eagles got from 49ers. Especially we don’t know where those picks will be in 24/25 and talent level of those drafts. I really like both Anderson and Carter but 3 first round picks is 3 first round picks. This is like opposite pace

Future picks are exciting because they are unknowns. If you trade down for 3 firsts, we have no idea if the two extra firsts will even be in the top half of round. I'd be a fan of this if we didn't already have a good QB, so much cap space, and a lot of draft capital already. We are in a rare spot to grab the best player in the draft for once.

 

[rawdawg]

Next you're going to tell us the Bears aren't going to get all the top 5 FAs as well.

 

[TheWinman]

I'm not a huge trade back guy. The Bears need top players more than anyone and will have a top pick. Make your selection.

If we trade down right, we will still have a top 5 pick and get the guys we want

 

[I Just Want To Read]

I don't see anyone trading up with us for #2 or #1 from #3 or #4 for us to get Carter or Anderson. Those teams know we aren't taking a QB. I could see Philly parting with some of their draft picks to move up since they have New Orleans pick. They could want to add a stud like Anderson or Carter. I think Indy is definitely in "we need to find our fucking qb" mode because they have pretty much everything else to be a good team. I'd say those are our most likely trade down partners.

You can still force their hand.

We should be willing to trade out of Carter/Anderson range of the price is right.

With that posture, a team at #4 would have to pay up or miss out on their QB