We may have to come to terms that we probably can't have our cake and eat it too

[Zvbxrpl]

But I'm seeing more and more the idea that we can have our cake and eat it too----Namely, that the Bears can trade out of, say, the #2 or #3 pick and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. Or trade the #2 pick for the #7 pick. or something like that.

This--and trade down clown ideas where teams just give up young, impact offensive playmakers like DJ Moore, Tee Higgins, *insert name of young WR here* or an all-pro DT like Deforest Buckner (impact playmakers in general) as a throw-in in a trade up/bears trade down because…reasons that make zero fucking sense to the other team unless the bears’ 1st rounder is on the table (and that is NOT a move they should make.)

 

[knoxville7]

He wasn't considered an elite game changing talent and quite possibly the best defensive tackle ever like he's turned out to be, otherwise he would have been taken #1 overall. As a prospect, he was a very good one, hence going where he did... but he wasn't considered elite or cream of the crop like Jadaveon Clowney was.

It's quite possible we fall in love with Carter and take him while Bresee ends up being better in the NFL, or another possible d-line pick like Tyree Wilson, etc.

That doesn’t change the fact that Donald WAS an elite talent, most just didn’t recognize it

Your ”logic” of anyone taken before someone else is the “more talented” player is just a weird take to have.

And of course it’s possible carter doesn’t end up the best DT in the draft, but he’s the best talent at that position in the draft and the most likely to be the best DT in the draft.

You’ve basically said nothing while saying a lot lol

 

[Canth]

This--and trade down clown ideas where teams just give up young, impact offensive playmakers like DJ Moore, Tee Higgins, *insert name of young WR here* or an all-pro DT like Deforest Buckner (impact playmakers in general) as a throw-in in a trade up/bears trade down because…reasons that make zero fucking sense to the other team unless the bears’ 1st rounder is on the table (and that is NOT a move they should make.)

I am a bit confused by this post. All of the trade down scenarios are about trading down with the 1st round pick to potentially get multiple impact players vs just one. Now, if you truly think Carter or Anderson are generational HOF talents that are can't miss, then I understand not wanting to trade down.

However, if the gap between those two guys and then next 3-4 guys is not that significant (ie, they are all really talented), then I think you have to explore the idea of the trade down. IMO, if the bears can trade down and get an impact defensive lineman and an impact WR in next year's draft...they have to do that. They are not just one player away from being a great team. They are many players away from being a great, consistent playoff team. Best case scenario, imo, is that they can trade back and stay in the top 10 for their first pick and then get at least 1, maybe 2 extra 1st round picks. It all depends on the extra stuff whether that is other picks or players and if they also throw in any more picks (ie, get a 1st next year while giving back a 2nd/3rd).

And for the teams that only have the one 1st round pick to give up this year, like Indy, it is more likely that they would need to include a player like Buckner to make it work for the Bears. Obviously, it depends on whether or not there is a bidding war, or if Poles can convince someone there is a bidding war. If Pace is involved in Atlanta for any trade negotiations, then he loves to bid against himself - maybe they can leverage that into something really nice.

 

[Speed]

I'm a gambler. I want Marvin Harrison Jr. in a Bears uniform so i've come to terms if we have to trade to the back end of the Top 10(But hopefully we get lucky and still land in the Top 4-5. I think we can find a phenomenal talent in that range.


But I 100% understand that if they're projecting to be cornerstone D-Line with Von Miller, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett type of impact passing on that is rough. Watching them chasing Fields around would suck.

 

[DrGonzo]

Personally I think the Bears get better faster by trading down and upgrading more positions. NFL offenses can scheme to stop an Anderson or Carter from taking over games if they don't have other matchups to worry about.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I'm a gambler. I want Marvin Harrison Jr. in a Bears uniform so i've come to terms if we have to trade to the back end of the Top 10(But hopefully we get lucky and still land in the Top 4-5. I think we can find a phenomenal talent in that range.


But I 100% understand that if they're projecting to be cornerstone D-Line with Von Miller, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett type of impact passing on that is rough. Watching them chasing Fields around would suck.

Please clarify - Marvin Harrison Jr is not in this draft. Are you saying get a 1st next year or am not not reading correctly? Marvin Jr. will be a very high top 5 pick next year and I would love to have him, just don't know how you plan that out short of full on tank.

 

[Canth]

Please clarify - Marvin Harrison Jr is not in this draft. Are you saying get a 1st next year or am not not reading correctly? Marvin Jr. will be a very high top 5 pick next year and I would love to have him, just don't know how you plan that out short of full on tank.

Best case scenario there is a trade back this year that nets the 1st round pick of another team next year. Let that team truly suck in 2023 and then have that top 5 pick for Marven Harrison Jr next year on someone else's record!

 

[Speed]

Please clarify - Marvin Harrison Jr is not in this draft. Are you saying get a 1st next year or am not not reading correctly? Marvin Jr. will be a very high top 5 pick next year and I would love to have him, just don't know how you plan that out short of full on tank.

Yeah I was talking 2024. Preferably the team we trade with will be garbage next year. And even if we can't get MHJ, having 2 first round picks in '24 is still pretty major.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

You all underestimate Josh McDaniels. He's definitely trading the MGM Grand for Will Levis. Tons of great options not named Carter/Anderson in the lower top 10.

I wonder if he would get the HOA fees waived in any trade for the MGM Grand? Those HOA fees are ridiculous. The HOA fees are like half the mortgage of a condo from there.

But yes, I totally agree with you on McDaniels doing something stupid to get 'his QB'. It's amazing how disliked he is already by Raiders fans so expecting an extreme overpay to prove his superior intellect seems like a good bet.

On a cake related note - I did have cake yesterday and eat it too. It was very good. Chocolate cake with chocolate frosting = A+ cake. I shall hope that Ryan Poles gets his cake and eats it too when it comes to trading the #2 pick. It would be equally delicious!

 

[The Hawk]

This--and trade down clown ideas where teams just give up young, impact offensive playmakers like DJ Moore, Tee Higgins, *insert name of young WR here* or an all-pro DT like Deforest Buckner (impact playmakers in general) as a throw-in in a trade up/bears trade down because…reasons that make zero fucking sense to the other team unless the bears’ 1st rounder is on the table (and that is NOT a move they should make.)

This is why I hope that the Bear's focus on using their free agent money to upgrade the areas of the team that are really lacking talent which to me are their offensive and defensive lines and taking the proverbial BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE when they draft. Just trading for more draft picks isn't the solution to me. It is trying to draft IMPACT PLAYERS in the first three rounds and good special teams help in 4-7.

 

[dentfan]

Derek Carr throws a wrench into things.

I’m thinking he goes to Washington. They send him a first. That gives LV some draft capital to be free to unused their early pick to move up.

 

[The Hawk]

I think that the rebuilding for the Bear's is not going to be the massive thing that some people expect and that is because they have their franchise quarterback and running game. I think that next year they are going to need 8-9 good to excellent starters in the draft and free agency. They've got the money. Hopefully they've got the right GM.