We need to draft Leo Chenal

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Soon, I will be putting a new Mock draft up, but I want to take care of this animal in a post all of his own. I just want you guys to understand why Leo Chenal, out of Linebacker U Wisconsin, is NECESSARY with our 3rd round pick.

Leo Chenal is 6’3” and plays at 260 lbs.! He is a Defensive super-weapon! Yes, he is a MLB who excels at pass rushing and stopping the run. The knock on him is that he’s not able to cover very well, but he can cover within the confines of a zone and, more importantly, is able to run with TEs and RBs for the duration of the zone. So, this is perfect for a 1 or 2 high zone where a DB can be bled into his zone to account for his blitz or to provide backside support.

Now, I’ve seen several pundits I usually like, Robert S. and Lester A. Wiltfong Jr., saying that we should not draft a Linebacker in this draft. I disagree. I think we are moving to a 4-3 and need a guy that plays the game with extreme violence and ends plays.

Having two high motor Linebackers that excel at stopping running backs, Roquan being one of the best in the league at it, will force teams to be one dimensional.

A big thank you to Robert S. and Windy City Gridiron for providing this video. I’ll try to pull some screen shots and break it down.

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This is a key screenshot. It shows the tendencies that Flus’ D has: 1st down blitz with a 1 high (my guess is that there is a fill to the zone where the blitz comes from), 2nd down is a 2 high, and they love to play big blitz on 3rd down.

Now, the big criticism I’m seeing right off the bat was how terrible Indy’s D was in terms of actually sacking the QB. We have Quinn and Mack. We need somebody to slam the middle of the O line; usually, this is a DT like Hicks, but let’s think about what a 6’3” 260 lb. Defensive weapon can do. This savage hates fucking QBs. He eats them. He’s underrated.

My dude Jacob Infante actually tweet that we should draft Muma! Are you fucking kidding me? He can’t handle any, and I mean any, contact. He needs a clean line to finish and is cover guy who didn't do a good job covering. News flash y’all, this D doesn’t need the MLB to run sideline to sideline; that’s the Lovie adaptation to the fucking cannibalistic unicorn that was Urlacher.

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We need a dude that will cover a TE coming across his face within the confines of his zone. In this D, the space eating sideline to sideline guy is the Will, who will most likely happen to be Roquan.

Bringing Chenal in on a blitz means that the O has to account for him with a lineman. He can’t be blocked with a TE or a back. Now, with Mack on one side, Quinn on the other, and a penetrating DT hitting a gap, who is left to protect against the rampaging Chenal. With his size, he can actually fill into the gap with three DLinemen, thus allowing for a nickel to come in and still be in a 3 LB set!

Chenal’s weight-room prowess has been the stuff of legends since high school. In May 2020, entering his sophomore season, he bench pressed 225 pounds an astounding 40 times. He maxed out this offseason on the bench press at 420 pounds and hang-cleaned 385t No. 22 on The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman’s annual Freaks List.

Pass Rush Skills (9/10)

During the 2021 season, Chenal came into his own in this regard with an eight-sack season, including 3.5 against Purdue. Wisconsin Defensive Coordinator Jim Leonhard used Chenal in many different ways throughout the season, which included the linebacker being sent on a delayed blitz through the A gap on multiple occasions. He is quick in short areas, and if he sees a glimpse of the quarterback, he’ll take off like a missile on the way to a sack. Chenal could’ve had more on the year, but he was just a few steps short on multiple occasions.

Versatility (4.5/5)

Thankfully, the report ends on a high note. It looks as though Chenal could play SAM or WILL linebacker at the next level or one of the two inside linebacker spots in an odd-front defense. A defensive scheme that puts him at many different spots will fit him best. Chenal was lined up at the second level, in the A gap to drop into coverage, and also blitzed from his linebacker spot, off the edge, and from the A gap.

2022 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Leo Chenal - Prime Time Sports Talk

Motor/Effort: One of the best motors I’ve seen this cycle. Impressive pursuit effort at all three levels of the field, and he almost never comes of the field for a break.

Tackling: Exceptional tackler with good form and hit power. He can bring down bigger ball carriers with ease. He also showed he could bring down shiftier ball carriers in space while making tackles outside of his frame. I think he missed just one tackle in the three 2021 games I watched.

Block Shedding: Super impressed with how Chenal uses his hands and length to shed blocks. His hands hit like bricks, and he’s got the swim shed move down pat. He can also push-pull blockers to the dirt with ease.

Blitzing/ Pass Rush: Chenal is an impressive pass rusher, who should get looks as a frequent blitzer at the NFL level. He excels as a “mug linebacker” tasked with blitzing the A-gap. He’s got great hand usage to beat offensive linemen like two-handed swipes, swim, and rip moves. He’s an impressive tackler when he gets home too.

Run Defense: Chenal is a between the tackles bruiser, who is a proficient and violent run defender. He’s great at reading run keys, exploding downhill, and working his way through the weeds to make tackles. He’s an impressive gap shooter thanks to his above-average downhill burst.

Toughness/ Power POA Chenal is one of the hardest hitting and toughest linebackers this class has to offer. He’s consistently asked to fill gaps almost like a defensive tackle, and he proved he could do the job no problem. He hits hard at all levels of the defense and will seek contact with pulling linemen

Summary: Chenal is a uber physical and surprisingly athletic inside linebacker, who improved greatly from 2020 to 2021. He makes an impact as a pass rusher with legitimate pass rush moves. He’s a smart player who keys on the run quickly and combines that with good downhill speed to get into the backfield for impact plays.

Leo Chenal, Wisconsin — BLUE CHIP SCOUTING


Now, if we draft Leo, we will probably be able to sign his brother as an UDFA. In case you don’t know, his brother is a 250 lb. FB that also played LB! He could be a great addition to our ST and possibly be our FB of the future. We all know how much the Bears love nepotism with the Mack brothers.

So, I’ll leave you guys with this video. It’s by a Lions fan, so everywhere he says the Lions, just think Da Bears.





 

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Are you trading Mack or are you unable to realize there's an offense? How many more decades do you need this insanity repeated before you realize it won't work?

We need many dudes who can protect a QB and dudes who can catch a ball. We've already got dudes who can pressure a QB, we don't need to use our top picks on more.

You're fired.
 

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Bears haven't won enough games with Roquan and Monty. Their stock is high due to their ages and contract.

Trade them for draft assets! DO IT!!
 

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Bears haven't won enough games with Roquan and Monty. Their stock is high due to their ages and contract.

Trade them for draft assets! DO IT!!
RBs like Monty are dime in a dozen. Roquan is not. He is young and still developing. Roquan is a staple of the defense.

Bears need to trade players are older but productive like Quinn or Mack.
 

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Bears haven't won enough games with Roquan and Monty. Their stock is high due to their ages and contract.

Trade them for draft assets! DO IT!!
I don’t want to trade away my best player.

Why do people want to trade away their best player? Roquan is special, I love watching him play for the Bears and he is only 24.

Not sure how much trade value RBs have these days either so I’m keeping those two as building blocks. They need better players around them.
 

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Smith is priority 1. He's a great player already and will be even better in this defense imo.

MIKE and SAM can be had in free agency, usually at reasonable cost for decent players. There are way to many other needs where it's tougher to get good free agents - target draft capital at those spots. Also while Chenal is a good player, he isn't going to be on the field in nickel, which to me is not worth a 3rd rounder.
 

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The next two drafts should be about finding long term starters regardless of position, with a priority placed on WR and the trenches. We have free agency to handle immediate needs that require starters.

That being said, using a third round pick for a guy who can be a long term MLB next to Roquon would be a good deal. If we go offense for our first pick (second round) I don't mind going defense with our second pick (third round)
 

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Why can’t you shape the new defense around smith? He’s a good building block why create another hole?
No! We need to run the exact same defense Flus had in Indy. It’s all he knows!

Sadly, that’s not sarcasm to some…
 

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Not with #39, no. If this was 2023 and we had 3/4 of a team sure but we don't. There are way too many other holes to fill LB at this point IMO is a luxury not a need.
 

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Where are you at on Troy Andersen and Drew Seers as possible day three guys?
Andersen isn’t going to be there day 3. The secret’s out. Kipper has him as a sleeper, as of last week.

Now, I really like Andersen for a 3-4 lb that can have a DT keep the blockers off him and let him run clean. I never saw him shed a block. He’s fucking fly paper. He also takes some really bad angles.

Now, the angles thing can be attributed to coaching and needing more flight time as a linebacker. Fine. Not shedding blocks is problematic for the Mike/Mug in a 4-3. He needs to be able to either navigate traffic or bully through it to the carrier.

A good MLB should be able to play the Mike (read and zone) or Mug (blitz and bash). So, Andersen is more athlete and upside that is quickly moving up charts. I knew he’d be a gem, but I didn’t think he’d do as well as he’s done.

Also, with more big RBs, like AJ Dillon, and TEs that pack a punch, we need a stopper in the middle. We need to jump ahead of the curve and have at least two dudes that can stop a guy cold — Roquan and Leo. Anderson is more of a cover guy that Dillon will truck a few times per game.

Something to keep in mind is that the Colts used their high draft picks on LB. They really value them. I wouldn’t want to spend a pick below a 5th on a strong side lb in the cover 2. That’s where I see Andersen ending up.

I like Drew Seers like I like Diego Fagot (fuh-Go); I like him a bit less because, unlike Fagot, he doesn’t have size to go along with his hard hitting mentality. I think we should bring Seers and Fagot in as UDFAs and let them try to make the team.
 
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Andersen isn’t going to be there day 3. The secret’s out. Kipper has him as a sleeper, as of last week.
Just an FYI, but you shouldn't expect that the secret is out because of Kiper. By the time he finds something out, all 32 scouting departments will have a file on the kid and his agent will have been calling all 32 teams to keep his name in their heads.

Kiper only reveals things to us that every team has known for a while.
 

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Just an FYI, but you shouldn't expect that the secret is out because of Kiper. By the time he finds something out, all 32 scouting departments will have a file on the kid and his agent will have been calling all 32 teams to keep his name in their heads.

Kiper only reveals things to us that every team has known for a while.
Fair enough. However you look at it, he’s not going to be there in round 5. I mocked him there to us a while ago, because I figured he could develop on ST, and, with a 3-4, he could be kept clean to react in the middle. Not now.
 
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"News flash y’all, this D doesn’t need the MLB to run sideline to sideline; that’s the Lovie adaptation to the fucking cannibalistic unicorn that was Urlacher."

Disagree with this completely. This ain't the 80s, teams aren't playing smashmouth football anymore with fullback leads up the gut. We are in the era of 60% passing, not to mention outside zone. You need guys to hit those gaps inside-out with speed. Hell, we know that Eberflus agrees with this too as he drafted Okereke to be his MLB at 6'1", 239lbs and a 4.58 40-yard dash in Indy. Even Anthony Walker who people are clamoring for this offseason isn't a guy that takes on blocks inside, he's a run and hit guy, just like many of the top ILBs in the league.

Chenal to me fits more in a defense like the Ravens or Pats . More of a 3-4 ILB who plays the strong side and takes on blockers and doesn't have much coverage responsibility. Eberflus plays a ton of nickel (more than average) and Chenal isn't a guy that's ideal for nickel.
 

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"News flash y’all, this D doesn’t need the MLB to run sideline to sideline; that’s the Lovie adaptation to the fucking cannibalistic unicorn that was Urlacher."

Disagree with this completely. This ain't the 80s, teams aren't playing smashmouth football anymore with fullback leads up the gut. We are in the era of 60% passing, not to mention outside zone. You need guys to hit those gaps inside-out with speed. Hell, we know that Eberflus agrees with this too as he drafted Okereke to be his MLB at 6'1", 239lbs and a 4.58 40-yard dash in Indy. Even Anthony Walker who people are clamoring for this offseason isn't a guy that takes on blocks inside, he's a run and hit guy, just like many of the top ILBs in the league.

Chenal to me fits more in a defense like the Ravens or Pats . More of a 3-4 ILB who plays the strong side and takes on blockers and doesn't have much coverage responsibility. Eberflus plays a ton of nickel (more than average) and Chenal isn't a guy that's ideal for nickel.
You would be right if he were only a thumper. His skill set is NOT as a two down thumper that can only run forward.

On Nickel, he can actually do three things things apart from cover. He can line up as a true rush End, in the gap as a DT, or blitz from the MLB. Of course, he can still pick up a guy in his zone, but why would you want to do that?

Let's look at it in terms of blocking numbers: Mack on one side and Quinn on the other, who gets double-teamed? In a 3rd and long, you're probably looking at an empty set with a TE chipping down before heading out, but, with Quinn and Mack, do they really have that luxury? So, two ways to deal with speed rush ends like those two coming in, quick release or step up. Now, Chenal excels at the delayed gap blitz. It's his bread and butter. With Two DTs requiring, at the least, a blocker each, and either Quinn or Mack on a one-on-one, the QB will have to either throw to where Chenal was, so, at best getting yards before a tackle before the sticks or Action Jax can start jumping those routes because we know they're coming.

So, if he were a true one-dimensional 2-down thumper, you'd be right. Instead, what you're getting is a guy that is more like a positionless Defensive weapon that can be moved around the formation. His rookie year will probably see him blitz primarily from the MLB, but, as he improves, like Kwit once did, in his pass pro, you will start to see him become a truly devastating weapon.
 
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You would be right if he were only a thumper. His skill set is NOT as a two down thumper that can only run forward.

On Nickel, he can actually do three things things apart from cover. He can line up as a true rush End, in the gap as a DT, or blitz from the MLB. Of course, he can still pick up a guy in his zone, but why would you want to do that?

Let's look at it in terms of blocking numbers: Mack on one side and Quinn on the other, who gets double-teamed. In a 3rd and long, you're probably looking at an empty set with a TE chipping down before heading out, but, with Quinn and Mack, do they really have that luxury? So, two ways to deal with speed rush ends like those two coming in, quick release or step up. Now, Chenal excels at the delayed gap blitz. It's his bread and butter. With Two DTs requiring, at the least, a blocker each, and either Quinn or Mack on an one-on-one, the QB will have to either throw to where Chenal was, so, at best getting yards before a tackle before the sticks or Action Jax can start jumping those routes because we know they're coming.

So, if he were a true one-dimensional 2-down thumper, you'd be right. Instead, what you're getting is a guy that is more like a positionless Defensive weapon that can be moved around the formation. His rookie year will probably see him blitz primarily from the MLB, but, as he improves, like Kwit once did, in his pass pro, you will start to see him become a truly devastating weapon.
Ok, I'll buy that versatility. It's hard not to like the guy because he can play, and he looks to have enough speed/agility at his size that he's not just a battering ram out there. I've even seen it suggested that he gain 20lbs and become an interior DL pass rusher.

I still don't know that I love him as a 4-3 Mike. Maybe a 4-3 SAM, but that guy comes off the field for Eberflus in the nickel. Not going to try to claim to know a ton about him, though, only watched a couple games, so you may have a better gauge on his abilities than I do. Will probably go too high for my tastes as well. Sounds like he's mid-to-late 2nd rounder?
 

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Ok, I'll buy that versatility. It's hard not to like the guy because he can play, and he looks to have enough speed/agility at his size that he's not just a battering ram out there. I've even seen it suggested that he gain 20lbs and become an interior DL pass rusher.

I still don't know that I love him as a 4-3 Mike. Maybe a 4-3 SAM, but that guy comes off the field for Eberflus in the nickel. Not going to try to claim to know a ton about him, though, only watched a couple games, so you may have a better gauge on his abilities than I do. Will probably go too high for my tastes as well. Sounds like he's mid-to-late 2nd rounder?
He’s an odd one. I keep reading that he’s a projected 2nd rounder, but, he isn’t fitting the cover athlete mold of the top LBers being mocked.

He’s such an outlier, because he’s being pigeon-holed by a lot of experts into a 2 down thumper for a 3-4. The thing is, he’s not just that, so, to answer your question I’ve seen him valued as a second rounder, but Mock Draft database has him with a peak of 68 and projection of 159!

My dude at Da Windy City also loves him in the third. I found this after I started watching the tape on him.

With such a wide range, I think us getting him in the third would be a win. He may be the most versatile “position-less” defender in the draft! He may be the piece we get that people look back on and go, “how did he slip?”. His ceiling is a Laurence Taylor blasting the gaps.

I really want to see him on a DT stunt where he fills on the back side of the stunting DT where one DR penetrates, the other stunts in towards the A or shallow B, and he comes out to wide B or shallow C. Muhahahahahashahahah cough muaahahahahahah
 

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You would be right if he were only a thumper. His skill set is NOT as a two down thumper that can only run forward.

On Nickel, he can actually do three things things apart from cover. He can line up as a true rush End, in the gap as a DT, or blitz from the MLB. Of course, he can still pick up a guy in his zone, but why would you want to do that?

Let's look at it in terms of blocking numbers: Mack on one side and Quinn on the other, who gets double-teamed? In a 3rd and long, you're probably looking at an empty set with a TE chipping down before heading out, but, with Quinn and Mack, do they really have that luxury? So, two ways to deal with speed rush ends like those two coming in, quick release or step up. Now, Chenal excels at the delayed gap blitz. It's his bread and butter. With Two DTs requiring, at the least, a blocker each, and either Quinn or Mack on a one-on-one, the QB will have to either throw to where Chenal was, so, at best getting yards before a tackle before the sticks or Action Jax can start jumping those routes because we know they're coming.

So, if he were a true one-dimensional 2-down thumper, you'd be right. Instead, what you're getting is a guy that is more like a positionless Defensive weapon that can be moved around the formation. His rookie year will probably see him blitz primarily from the MLB, but, as he improves, like Kwit once did, in his pass pro, you will start to see him become a truly devastating weapon.
This is only a quick thought, but isn't the defense (the Colts defense at least) all about trying to get pressure from the front 4 and having the rest cover?

I can agree that someone having Chenal's skillset could be an interesting chess piece, but first and foremost, anyone being brought in has to have his first skill set as a coverage linebacker.

Maybe the Bears are planning on having bigger defensive interior linemen to keep offensive linemen off of the defenders, allowing them to have clean runs at RBs and the QB on rare blitzes. If this is the case, a smaller sideline to sideline linebacker could be more valuable than a thumper linebacker with some coverage skills.

Remember that even Kwit was somewhat of a liability on passing downs, and that was after some huge improvements. He sure had an eye for the sack though.
 

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