Where's the Discipline?

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When does this start to fall on Jarmillo? Since he came over Cubs have been god awfull at taking walks and hitting with runners in scoring position.
 

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When does this start to fall on Jarmillo? Since he came over Cubs have been god awfull at taking walks and hitting with runners in scoring position.

I have a feeling that Rudy isn't being used as effectively as he should be. However, you are correct, there is pretty much no excuse for having the highest paid hitting coach and sucking balls at hitting.
 

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I have a feeling that Rudy isn't being used as effectively as he should be. However, you are correct, there is pretty much no excuse for having the highest paid hitting coach and sucking balls at hitting.

What does he have to work with?

Castro has amazing ability. He is like vlad where he can get a bat on anything.

Fukudome is hitting very well right now, but it is still early and he always fades late.

Barney has been a godsend, but he has always been known for his glove... this is flukey.

Soriano still can't make contact.

ARAM has been overrated forever.

Pena works the count in his favor and still bats sub .200

Byrd is an average MLB hitter at best.

Soto is Soso (want to copyright that shit)

I can't blame Rudy, and you shouldn't either.
 

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What does he have to work with?

Castro has amazing ability. He is like vlad where he can get a bat on anything.

Fukudome is hitting very well right now, but it is still early and he always fades late.

Barney has been a godsend, but he has always been known for his glove... this is flukey.

Soriano still can't make contact.

ARAM has been overrated forever.

Pena works the count in his favor and still bats sub .200

Byrd is an average MLB hitter at best.

Soto is Soso (want to copyright that shit)

I can't blame Rudy, and you shouldn't either.

Ummm... yes, we can blame Rudy. He should be working with Castro on not swinging at everything within a 5 mile radius. He should be working with Soriano on swinging at pitches in the zone. Many players on this team are performing below where they should be. That falls on Rudy. Now, this isn't saying that it is all his fault, or that he isn't working with these players, but the fact of the matter is that we are not seeing results with a team that we should be seeing results with.
 

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Ummm... yes, we can blame Rudy. He should be working with Castro on not swinging at everything within a 5 mile radius. He should be working with Soriano on swinging at pitches in the zone. Many players on this team are performing below where they should be. That falls on Rudy. Now, this isn't saying that it is all his fault, or that he isn't working with these players, but the fact of the matter is that we are not seeing results with a team that we should be seeing results with.

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Can you please at least explain yourself? Seriously. This shit is getting old. We can all post emoticons. How about using words to actually explain where you are coming from?

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Our offense sucks ass, our hitting coach is great. Our offense is just that bad most of the time. Been good lately though.
 

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Our offense sucks ass, our hitting coach is great. Our offense is just that bad most of the time. Been good lately though.

Our offense shouldn't be this bad, though. That's the point. If our hitting coach is great, he should be able to work with what should be about an average offense.

However, now that I think about it a little more, our main problem is clutch hitting. You can't teach luck.
 

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Our offense shouldn't be this bad, though. That's the point. If our hitting coach is great, he should be able to work with what should be about an average offense.

However, now that I think about it a little more, our main problem is clutch hitting. You can't teach luck.

I don't think we have the players we need in order to have an average offense anyway.

But I'd say we've had an almost average offense... we get hits a lot, but never seal the deal.
 

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Not taking sides, but Fuku, Castro, Barney, Byrd, Baker, and Johnson are all batting over .300, and Pena is batting at least higher than he did last season (tho that's not saying much). I'd like to see more power, but our guys are getting hits.
 

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I don't think we have the players we need in order to have an average offense anyway.

But I'd say we've had an almost average offense... we get hits a lot, but never seal the deal.

We most certainly could have an average offense. We have good players, they just can't hit WRISP.

Not taking sides, but Fuku, Castro, Barney, Byrd, Baker, and Johnson are all batting over .300, and Pena is batting at least higher than he did last season (tho that's not saying much). I'd like to see more power, but our guys are getting hits.

After actually looking at the numbers, Rudy is certainly doing a nice job. It's the clutch hitting that sucks dick. I really am not sure how much of that, if any can fall on Rudy. Although my gut is telling me that some of it has to, but the stats seem to go the other way. From 95-09 the Rangers were in the top 5 of BA w RISP. The Cubs... weren't. We were towards the bottom. Same remains true for both teams now that Rudy J is a Cub. I really wonder what the cause of that is.
 

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Not taking sides, but Fuku, Castro, Barney, Byrd, Baker, and Johnson are all batting over .300, and Pena is batting at least higher than he did last season (tho that's not saying much). I'd like to see more power, but our guys are getting hits.

We most certainly could have an average offense. We have good players, they just can't hit WRISP.

After actually looking at the numbers, Rudy is certainly doing a nice job. It's the clutch hitting that sucks dick. I really am not sure how much of that, if any can fall on Rudy. Although my gut is telling me that some of it has to, but the stats seem to go the other way. From 95-09 the Rangers were in the top 5 of BA w RISP. The Cubs... weren't. We were towards the bottom. Same remains true for both teams now that Rudy J is a Cub. I really wonder what the cause of that is.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

The Cubs can hit, just not in the clutch, when it really matters. There's not a single guy in the lineup who I'm comfortable saying "oh, there's two outs with a runner on second, [insert Cub here] will either drive him in, or at least draw a walk or something.

No. More times than not that runner just gets stranded there.

It's just a failure to execute, which can't exactly be taught, it's probably more mental than anything. So until the day comes that the Cubs can string together more than a few singles together (the lack of extra base hits is absolutely killing us), and not totally flip the **** out when we have RISP and just turn to freaking Special person babies, it's going to be like this.
 

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Hmmm... I have a theory on this situation that I think reverts back to Po's article. I think that the reason we are so terrible at clutch hitting is because pitchers have thrown us more breaking pitches than any other team since 02. We have gotten 25.5% breakers(SL & CB). Consequently, we are in the bottom 5 for FBs. Now, just because we see a lot of them, doesn't mean we can't do anything with them. Well, the Cubs are in the top 10 in wFB, not surprising that the Red Sox, Yanks, and Rangers are 1, 2, 3. What kills the Cubs is that they are in the bottom 5 for wSL and are the absolute worst at wCB. The Cubs are 10 runs worse than the next team. That's absolutely terrible. Then this all goes back to plate discipline because if they didn't swing at all these pitches out of the zone, which many are surely breaking balls, they would see more FB and be able to take advantage of them.
 

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^ Not a bad theory.

But seriously, where the hell do you find these stats?
 

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What is interesting is that in 08, when we were amazing at offense, we had the 2nd highest BB%. It's amazing what patience can do. I also read something about how Selig is wanting to expand the zone to make the game move faster and have more hits, thus less boring. I don't want that at all. However, that might play into the Cubs' favor since we already swing at like anything out of the zone. Ha.
 

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^ Not a bad theory.

But seriously, where the hell do you find these stats?

Fangraphs. I went into teams, sorted the data from 02 - 11(I tried to do from 95, when Rudy started with the Rangers, but the data only goes back to 02 for pitch values.) and then used the pitch type and pitch value tabs. Fangraphs FTW.
 

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Ummm... yes, we can blame Rudy. He should be working with Castro on not swinging at everything within a 5 mile radius. He should be working with Soriano on swinging at pitches in the zone. Many players on this team are performing below where they should be. That falls on Rudy. Now, this isn't saying that it is all his fault, or that he isn't working with these players, but the fact of the matter is that we are not seeing results with a team that we should be seeing results with.

Players swinging at pitches out of the zone is the coaches fault now? Is it their parents fault when the players don't wipe their ass completely and correctly and leave a little skid mark there for the clubhouse attendant to clean when doing laundry?

The players never do anything wrong right?
 

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Players swinging at pitches out of the zone is the coaches fault now? Is it their parents fault when the players don't wipe their ass completely and correctly and leave a little skid mark there for the clubhouse attendant to clean when doing laundry?

The players never do anything wrong right?

kudos on reading comprehension. i absolutely never said that it wasn't the players fault. it certainly is. but some of it falls on the coach. a hitting coach, especially ours, should be able to work with players on swinging at pitches out of the zone. however, that's not how this is working. as we see with soriano, he's swinging at more pitches out of the zone. which as po said, is something that can be alright, if you're making contact. we're not. that is something else that at least partially falls onto the coach.
 

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