Who is the MVP on the Bulls

[Palo]

If you had a vote who would be the Bulls MVP for this season. You can make a case for alot of players First you have Ben Gordan who leads the team in scoring. Second you have Derrick Rose who leads the team in assists. But the season truly turned around when Brad Miller and John Salmons came in the trade. Could it be one of them or could it be GM John Paxson for making the trade for them. Who do you guys think it could be ?:huh:

 

[collisrost]

I think the consensus will almost certainly be Ben Gordon. I certainly know at least two of our podcasters will say so... I can see some people with stars in their eyes looking towards the future and picking Derrick Rose, but I think he's almost sure to be the best player on the Bulls next year; his "rookieness" caught up to him this year though.

 

[The Half Moon Bay]

It is hard to pick an MVP on a team without a clear star. Now, don't jump down my throat and say that Rose is a star. I know that. But he is not on the same level as Lebron, Wade, etc. YET. I fully expect him to get there, but not until next year or the year after that.

That said, my MVP is Brad Miller. His statistics are not always the most impressive, but he brought with him something the Bulls have lacked since PJ Brown left town: leadership. His presence has clearly made an impact on Tyrus and Noah. He is showing them what it means to be a professional on and off the court. Particularly on the court, he is one of the most fundamentally sound basketball players in the NBA. He is not quick and he does not jump high, but he is smart. He always takes the correct angles and makes the tough pass. His presence has helped us this year and will likely continue to help us next year.

 

[dougthonus]

I'd say Ben Gordon, John Salmons, and Derrick Rose are the candidates.

You could argue that Salmons hasn't been here long enough to garner consideration, but I disagree. The Bulls were 25-30 prior to his arrival. The Bulls will likely finish the season 17-10, 16-11, or 15-12 14-13 after he entered the lineup with the most likely case being 16-11 or 17-10 since I don't think we'll lose 2-3 or lose out.

The pre-Salmons roster was set to win 37 games over 82 games. The post Salmons trade roster would likely be on pace to win 49-52 games over 82 games.

So you could say that really the only thing good about this season has come after the trade, prior to that point we were heading no where. Salmons clearly hasn't made all the difference as Miller has been outstanding as well.

I'd say this is one of those years with no clear best player. I'd probably lean towards Gordon, but I wouldn't fault anyone for saying Rose or Salmons, and think you can even make a case for Miller.

 

[Morten Jensen]

I say Gordon, but for once it's close. I'd put Salmons and Rose as the co-runner ups and I'd put Miller and a Noah/Thomas combo as the 3rd. I really have a hard time separating Noah and Thomas when it comes to importance. Noah is the better rebounder and man-to-man defender. Tyrus is the better offensive player and weak-side defender. Miller is simply the best offensive big we have period. Not just scoring, but also passing and shooting/spreading the defense.

But this goes to Gordon.

 

[mlewinth]

Alot of arguments can certiantly be made. My pick would probobly still go to Ben Gordon. He is leading the team in scoring and I feel was one of the only reasons our team was even on pace for maybe 37 wins in the first place, instead of 29 wins.

Our team really sucked before the Miller and Salmons trade. There were alot of issues contributing to that, a new coach, a rookie point guard, injuries and an overcrowed back court. Gordon started the season as our 3rd option at the 2 and quicky established himself as our starting 2 guard. Our back court has been consistantly potent this season, while every other position on our team has been all over the place. I feel the Miller and Salmons trade kinda evened things out, as well as Thomas and Noah starting to play much better. This has contributed to our recent streak of success. However when talking bout overall contributions, I feel you have to go with a member of our backcourt and Gordon has been the most consistant contributor in that.

Plus, lets recognize Gordon for his achievements this season as every year after this Derrick Rose will be the Bulls annual MVP.

 

[AirP]

This team turned around when injuries made Vinnie have to shorten his rotation... we started playing great ball around 10 games before the trade deadline, not after the trade deadline.

To me there's no real MVP, it's been a collective effort. I'd almost have to say co-mvp for Deng and Gooden for pushing us towards acquiring Salmons and Miller because of our roster depth problems at the time.

 

[RPK]

This is a tough decision because where I believe Gordon is clearly the best "scorer" on the team, does that automatically make him the the MVP ( I know Gordon and his agent believe so )

If you look at it from the beginning of the season, I just don't see how the Bulls make the playoffs before the trade happened. They were terribly inconsistent. So are we even having an MVP discussion without Salmons and Miller(and minus Nocioni)? I think not.

My MVP vote goes to John Paxson. For this season, there was no singular player who willed the team to playoff contention, but there was an overall paradigm shift in team production that was a direct result of a front office move.

 

[Ralphb07]

Before this past week or so I would of said Gordon or Salmons and like Doug said even though Salmons wasn't here long the winning happen when he came but I honestly think Rose has been the reason of the winning lately and last night is a perfect example. He had only 16 and 8 but he led the charge to get the lead and win that game.

I think Co MVP would be the best thing with Gordon and Rose and the reason Salmons doesn't get it is because Gordon and Rose did play 80+ games with us. That's only fair

 

[vhans5219]

It has to be Ben Gordon or Derrick Rose.

 

[TheStig]

I think its a toss up between BG and Rose. I will give the edge to Rose just because he takes most of the pressure on offense since people game plan for him. No one really tries to shutdown BG or game plan to take him out of the game. BG will probably continue to outscore him since he is a scorer but Rose is who makes this team go.

 

[bepp84]

I'm going to have to go with Ben Gordon even though I like Rose better. We would have lost a lot more games if it hadn't been for Gordon in the fourth quarter.

 

[sephcast]

It has to be Gordon. As much as we love Rose, he hasn't taken over as many games as BG has. I don't count Salmons for a similar reason that Manny Ramirez didn't get MVP consideration after going to the Dodgers.

 

[??? ??????]

I have to give it to Ben Gordon. He was the main reason we stayed afloat to even be in a position to make the playoffs after acquiring Salmons, Miller, and TiT. He's been out there, helping us get wins for the entire year.

I also think that Gordon has contributed in helping Salmons play like he has. Gordon just takes so much defensive focus, that it opens things up for other players. When Salmons does his patented baseline drive, with the big man drawn out, he will make the help defense hesitate sometimes by making eye contact with Gordon over in the corner, which gets the defense freaked out that he is going to dish it off to Gordon for the corner three.

Salmons, has been huge since the trade. Scoring just as well as Gordon.

Rose has been big, and the frontcourt has been good in the second half of the season as well.

Right now, if you look at the stats, 5 out of our 7 players that are in our rotation, have a 55.9 TS% or higher. (Kirk, Gordon, Salmons, Miller, Noah). The two who don't are Derrick Rose, a rookie, and Tyrus Thomas, who is also young at 22. So all of our players, have really played well for us on the season as a whole. If Rose makes a sophomore leap to around ~56 TS% and Thomas makes a similar leap, and we bring back Gordon, this team seems poised for around 50 wins next year.

 

[pinkizdead]

i dont believe that i could give it gordon. he's too damn inconsistent. Gordon is great. i love him. However there are nights that gordon goes 4-12. he's a great robin, but i cant say that he's the MVP. Rose hasn't been amazing during clutch moments. he makes turnovers/misses layups. err... i imagine he would be the mvp next year. Salmons has been a great offensive player. i guess i would grudgingly give all three the mvp...although i wouldn't imagine any one of them should deserve it.

 

[charity stripe]

Gordon has been more consistent, more clutch, and has not given up the points Rose has defensively this season. I'd give it to Gordon.

 

[coldfish]

dougthonus wrote:

I'd say Ben Gordon, John Salmons, and Derrick Rose are the candidates.

You could argue that Salmons hasn't been here long enough to garner consideration, but I disagree. The Bulls were 25-30 prior to his arrival. The Bulls will likely finish the season 17-10, 16-11, or 15-12 14-13 after he entered the lineup with the most likely case being 16-11 or 17-10 since I don't think we'll lose 2-3 or lose out.

The pre-Salmons roster was set to win 37 games over 82 games. The post Salmons trade roster would likely be on pace to win 49-52 games over 82 games.

So you could say that really the only thing good about this season has come after the trade, prior to that point we were heading no where. Salmons clearly hasn't made all the difference as Miller has been outstanding as well.

I'd say this is one of those years with no clear best player. I'd probably lean towards Gordon, but I wouldn't fault anyone for saying Rose or Salmons, and think you can even make a case for Miller.

The tough thing about voting for Miller or Salmons is that they haven't been on the roster without Gordon or Rose, where Gordon and Rose have been on the roster without those two. If you switch Gordon for Salmons for the entire season, do you have more wins or less wins?

At one point during this season, early on when Deng was struggling, Tyrus and Noah had their heads up their butts, Nocioni and Hughes were chucking, Kirk was hurt, etc., Gordon and Rose WERE the Bulls and they still were on a 37 win pace.

When Miller and Salmons WERE the Kings, they were on a 17 win pace.

 

[dougthonus]

The tough thing about voting for Miller or Salmons is that they haven't been on the roster without Gordon or Rose, where Gordon and Rose have been on the roster without those two. If you switch Gordon for Salmons for the entire season, do you have more wins or less wins?

At one point during this season, early on when Deng was struggling, Tyrus and Noah had their heads up their butts, Nocioni and Hughes were chucking, Kirk was hurt, etc., Gordon and Rose WERE the Bulls and they still were on a 37 win pace.

When Miller and Salmons WERE the Kings, they were on a 17 win pace.

Hmm, that's a good way to look at it. I think the Bulls still had way more overall talent, even with the injuries, but I don't know that the talent is 20 wins better. I guess Martin had missed a lot of time at that point, but when he came back they should have done better.

 

[Ralphb07]

dougthonus wrote:

The tough thing about voting for Miller or Salmons is that they haven't been on the roster without Gordon or Rose, where Gordon and Rose have been on the roster without those two. If you switch Gordon for Salmons for the entire season, do you have more wins or less wins?

At one point during this season, early on when Deng was struggling, Tyrus and Noah had their heads up their butts, Nocioni and Hughes were chucking, Kirk was hurt, etc., Gordon and Rose WERE the Bulls and they still were on a 37 win pace.

When Miller and Salmons WERE the Kings, they were on a 17 win pace.

Hmm, that's a good way to look at it. I think the Bulls still had way more overall talent, even with the injuries, but I don't know that the talent is 20 wins better. I guess Martin had missed a lot of time at that point, but when he came back they should have done better.

Yeah I'm stick with Co MVP Rose/Gordon

 

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pinkizdead wrote:

i dont believe that i could give it gordon. he's too damn inconsistent. Gordon is great. i love him. However there are nights that gordon goes 4-12. he's a great robin, but i cant say that he's the MVP. Rose hasn't been amazing during clutch moments. he makes turnovers/misses layups. err... i imagine he would be the mvp next year. Salmons has been a great offensive player. i guess i would grudgingly give all three the mvp...although i wouldn't imagine any one of them should deserve it.

Gordon's not really inconsistent if you compare the standard deviation of his scoring to other similar scorers.