Why Shouldnt Jon Bostic Start?

[Xplosive]

Its looking more and more like the rookie will start for the Bears but maybe a case needs to be made against him starting. What happens when the Bears are playing nickel defense and we have to depend on the rook to make the right decision and he messes up and causes the Bears to lose the game? Will his confidence be shattered, and will everyone turn against him?

Based on how often teams have to play nickel against these passing teams and how tough the Bears schedule is, I think the only safe choice is to start DJ Williams and let Bostic learn by watching. There is no need to risk missing the playoffs, just so our MLB of the future can learn on the job. Not when we have an experienced veteran on the team who can play the position just as well as Bostic can.

That way next year we let DJ walk and Bostic takes over full time.

 

[Jailbreak]

I think he might start against Cincy, but I expect Williams to be in there week 2. Bostic certainly seems to have his head screwed on, so I'm not concerned about his psyche. I don't know much about the calf injury, but it seems unlikely he'll be ready for week one.

 

[Cutlerfan0615]

Anderson and Briggs will be the two LB's in our nickel defense with Bostic starting.

Personally I don't think he will be a big liability. But of course he will make his mistakes.

 

[LoneGhost]

Its looking more and more like the rookie will start for the Bears but maybe a case needs to be made against him starting. What happens when the Bears are playing nickel defense and we have to depend on the rook to make the right decision and he messes up and causes the Bears to lose the game? Will his confidence be shattered, and will everyone turn against him?

Based on how often teams have to play nickel against these passing teams and how tough the Bears schedule is, I think the only safe choice is to start DJ Williams and let Bostic learn by watching. There is no need to risk missing the playoffs, just so our MLB of the future can learn on the job. Not when we have an experienced veteran on the team who can play the position just as well as Bostic can.

That way next year we let DJ walk and Bostic takes over full time.

Not trying to be a dick or anything, but I think the title for the thread should be:

Why Jon Bostic shouldn't start.

or:

Should Jon Bostic start?

Or at least that's what I'm getting from your initial post (correct me if I'm wrong).

As for if he should or shouldn't start, as Jailbreak has already said, he more than likely will in the Bengals game out of necessity. Moreover Trestman has mentioned how Williams is not (or no longer is?(he's been out since July 31st)) in game shape and likely will not be by the first week, so there's also that.

 

[Xplosive]

Not trying to be a dick or anything, but I think the title for the thread should be:

Why Jon Bostic shouldn't start.

or:

Should Jon Bostic start?

Or at least that's what I'm getting from your initial post (correct me if I'm wrong).

As for if he should or shouldn't start, as Jailbreak has already said, he more than likely will in the Bengals game out of necessity. Moreover Trestman has mentioned how Williams is not (or no longer is?(he's been out since July 31st)) in game shape and likely will not be by the first week, so there's also that.

Grammar lesson accepted and I will try to live up to your standards in the future... I also saw that MT said he was "concerned" about DJ's conditioning which is logical, but concern is not the same as saying that he IS in fact out of game shape. They say 12-14 days before DJ is ready to play and the games start in about 19 days so I don't know that he won't be ready for game 1.

 

[Menchifus]

Its looking more and more like the rookie will start for the Bears but maybe a case needs to be made against him starting. What happens when the Bears are playing nickel defense and we have to depend on the rook to make the right decision and he messes up and causes the Bears to lose the game? Will his confidence be shattered, and will everyone turn against him?

Based on how often teams have to play nickel against these passing teams and how tough the Bears schedule is, I think the only safe choice is to start DJ Williams and let Bostic learn by watching. There is no need to risk missing the playoffs, just so our MLB of the future can learn on the job. Not when we have an experienced veteran on the team who can play the position just as well as Bostic can.

That way next year we let DJ walk and Bostic takes over full time.

Has Trestman ever said Jon Bostic has won the starting job over DJ Williams? What is the point of this thread? Jon Bostic is only starting because DJ Williams is injured. I think everyone knows that.

 

[Xplosive]

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Has Trestman ever said Jon Bostic has won the starting job over DJ Williams? What is the point of this thread? Jon Bostic is only starting because DJ Williams is injured. I think everyone knows that.

Why do people feel the need to ask what is the point of a thread? Its called ignore the thread if you don't want to talk about the topic dumbass. Meanwhile, I think most people actually do believe that Bostic will be the starter based on the fact DJ has been injured, and Bostic has made some nice plays. If you would rather debate if Cutler sucks over and over again we can surely discuss that in one of several other threads...

 

[Penny Traitor]

I think the only safe choice is to start DJ Williams and let Bostic learn by watching. There is no need to risk missing the playoffs, just so our MLB of the future can learn on the job. Not when we have an experienced veteran on the team who can play the position just as well as Bostic can.

Two questions.

1.) If Williams can play the position "just as well as Bostic can"...why is he the safer choice?

2.) Where is all this experience DJ Williams has at the MIKE position?

(HINT: I know it wasn't in Denver)

After missing the bulk of training camp and the entire preseason....I don't think Williams is going to be such a huge upgrade over Bostic. Both will make mistakes in coverage and Williams will be lacking the quickness we signed him for. Other than having more time playing in the NFL...the difference between starting DJ Williams and starting Jon Bostic seems like a wash to me.

 

[LoneGhost]

Grammar lesson accepted and I will try to live up to your standards in the future... I also saw that MT said he was "concerned" about DJ's conditioning which is logical, but concern is not the same as saying that he IS in fact out of game shape. They say 12-14 days before DJ is ready to play and the games start in about 19 days so I don't know that he won't be ready for game 1.

My apologies, I wasn't trying to rag on your grammar, and furthermore would never expect or want anyone to hold to any 'standard'(whatever standards they may or may not be) on a forum, but rather was trying to better understand the post from the title and felt it was possibly a mistake worth noting/fixing due to possible confusion (as I seriously thought the post would be another pro draft pick love fest).

I had no other intentions.

As for DJ's conditioning, that was merely my assumption based on reading an ESPN article earlier where the writer (Michael C Wright) said, more or less, that it was likely Williams would not be ready in time. Again it's all speculation. And for the record, I agree that I would rather have Williams in there than Bostic if for no other reason than DJ may cut down on some of the mistakes we saw in preseason game 1 and 2.

I've quoted the notorious print below; again, it means nothing; I was just making a comment based around this comment.

Although the veteran is recovering at the pace the team anticipated, the preseason is coming to a close soon, meaning Williams likely won’t receive enough repetitions in the days leading to the regular season to get him into sufficient cardiovascular shape to play four quarters.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4684881/could-bostic-get-call-to-start-opener

 

[Xplosive]

Two questions.

1.) If Williams can play the position "just as well as Bostic can"...why is he the safer choice?

2.) Where is all this experience DJ Williams has at the MIKE position?

(HINT: I know it wasn't in Denver)

After missing the bulk of training camp and the entire preseason....I don't think Williams is going to be such a huge upgrade over Bostic. Both will make mistakes in coverage and Williams will be lacking the quickness we signed him for. Other than having more time playing in the NFL...the difference between starting DJ Williams and starting Jon Bostic seems like a wash to me.

Ding Ding Ding... I don't expect DJ Williams to make "rookie" mistakes, he has played in the league so he has basically seen it all as a proven NFL starter. He has played at a very high level as well and was considered a probowl caliber player for Denver. He is not old or past his prime so I don't see why you think he won't have the quickness we signed him for unless you think his calf injury required surgery or something. I think there is big difference in starting a veteran with a ton of game experience over a similarly talented rookie. Bostic has already been saying "Im LEARNING a lot from DJ" right? So why do you start a player who still has a lot to learn over another similarly talented guy that knows all about different player tendencies and offensive schemes, and veteran techniques etc?

 

[Xplosive]

My apologies, I wasn't trying to rag on your grammar, and furthermore would never expect or want anyone to hold to any 'standard'(whatever standards they may or may not be) on a forum, but rather was trying to better understand the post from the title and felt it was possibly a mistake worth noting/fixing due to possible confusion (as I seriously thought the post would be another pro draft pick love fest).

I had no other intentions.

No problem, you were actually correct in the point you made so Im not offended or thin skinned enough to be bothered by it. I agree that if DJ is out of shape I guess he should sit, I just don't think that will be the case just because he hasn't been running. I would think a guy on a one year contract would find some other ways to work out rather than risk losing his job.

 

[Jailbreak]

If he was able to play this week, I think he'd start week one. He's probably a week two starter in the middle if he can't play this week. I expect him to play some in the final preseason game, but it was last month since he even practiced.

 

[Bearfanfromnewjersey]

Anderson and Briggs will be the two LB's in our nickel defense with Bostic starting.

Personally I don't think he will be a big liability. But of course he will make his mistakes.

I agree with this. Bostic has been playing with the 1st team for awhile and he was a high draft pick. He hasn't played lights each week because he made some read errors but he also has a big play each week. And like cutler fan said.. He got 2 vets playing with him. He is the least of my concerns. I'm more married about having Melton and earl ready.

 

[DaaBears]

I agree with this. Bostic has been playing with the 1st team for awhile and he was a high draft pick. He hasn't played lights each week because he made some read errors but he also has a big play each week. And like cutler fan said.. He got 2 vets playing with him. He is the least of my concerns. I'm more married about having Melton and earl ready.

You mean worried not married I think?

We don't need Earl.

 

[46bearsd]

i believe a player can only get 'so much' better by watching. There's nothing like actual field experience where you have to read and react, make quick decisions. I say if he's going to be our future, just start the guy now - take our lumps. next year our defense is goign to look completely different anyway, personnel-wise.

 

[playthrough2001]

Bostic has done an excellent job in practice and the pre season games for a rookie and his future looks incredibly bright. However, if Williams is healthy and ready to go, he should start in the opener. I want DJ's experience out there especially against a team that has quality options in the seam with Gresham and Eifert.

 

[Bearsweatherman]

At this point we have seen nothing that leads one to believe Williams will be ready to go. If Bostic starts, of course there will be mistakes but such is life. I think most of us would have liked him to be able to sit and learn for a bit but we can't control injuries so if he has to start so be it. I think overall he will be fine. He was a second round pick and to see a second round pick end up starting isn't unheard of.

 

[darklite41]

I would prefer Williams to start at Mike. Bostic looks great but it's pre-season, no team is out there preparing game plans and deciding who they're going to attack. During the regular season teams will be a little hesitant to go after Williams than Bostic given the NFL experience there.

 

[Bearly]

It's a dilemma. Bostic looks like he'll be a good one but isn't really that yet. He's supposedly smart and is getting it but it's a lot to take on in this system. On the other hand, DJ, while a vet that's played a couple spots, hasn't been in this system either and how do you start him without some reps in it? You'd want him to be on the practice field next week to start week one. I'd hate to see them start Bostic week one and then sit him by week 3. I was hoping Bostic would get some reps at Sam so he could get on the field at an easier spot but the injury to DJ has negated that possibility. Here's hoping Bostic looks great next game and doesn't miss any assignments to put it to rest.

 

[Impress3]

Its looking more and more like the rookie will start for the Bears but maybe a case needs to be made against him starting. What happens when the Bears are playing nickel defense and we have to depend on the rook to make the right decision and he messes up and causes the Bears to lose the game? Will his confidence be shattered, and will everyone turn against him?

Based on how often teams have to play nickel against these passing teams and how tough the Bears schedule is, I think the only safe choice is to start DJ Williams and let Bostic learn by watching. There is no need to risk missing the playoffs, just so our MLB of the future can learn on the job. Not when we have an experienced veteran on the team who can play the position just as well as Bostic can.

That way next year we let DJ walk and Bostic takes over full time.

He cant cover in a passing league