Worst Option for #9?

[Xplosive]

Other than punter, LB, or random position that isn't worthy of being picked, I've been thinking that WR is actually the worst option for the #9 slot.

Unless it's Nabers or MHJ, I don't think Poles takes a WR because the Bears now have two receivers making $20M on the roster and both will be looking for contract extensions. In fact the Bears are currently #5 in the NFL spending $44M on receivers & #7 in spending on Tight Ends.

Also keep in mind that the #9 pick will be making about $4.6M this year as well and suddenly the Bears move up to the top 3 in spending. That's too much invested in receiving options.

Now that Caleb will be here to make the receivers better than ever, we should expect improvement from the likes of Tyler Scott and even... (cover your eyes) V-J-J as speedy deep threats and gadget players. With the draft being loaded at receiver the Bears can look to add another receiver prospect on day three that normally would have been taken earlier.

If Poles is smart he stands pat at receiver and looks to build the trenches with an elite prospect (Alt, Verse, Turner, Fashanu) or trades back for an extra day two pick.

 

[Probie2429]

Bears should not be giving an extension to Allen. He’s going to be 33 before an extension kicks in and is really here to provide Caleb with bonafide weaponry for his rookie season. Nothing wrong with a WR at 9 in this scenario.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Jim Miller seriously said he thinks terrion Arnold should be an option because he thinks they need another cb.

Him and pat Kirwan also think they should take jayden daniels at 1 because Williams isn't ready to play. (I'm pretty sure this is because they were both mad he didn't do medical at the combine)

 

[Starion]

Where does this "draft need @ LT" narrative keep coming from!?? Alt, etc. seems tempting as a cheap plug & play, but is completely unnecessary per sources actually paying attention to Braxton Jones' progress. He graded middle of the league (teens) among starting LTs (and higher than Wright even), despite a neck issue (non-serious), and has elite measurables above any of the rookie prospects. He started off very raw, but has been more than serviceable despite, and remains on cheap a rookie contract for 2 more years.


Any of the top 3 WRs would be a great pickup IF one drops to #9. Chargers will need to trade down, but need a WR however. Deep WR class could net one in the 3rd (or 2nd if they trade down) otherwise, but not worth #9 if not a top 3 WR.

 

[Xplosive]

Jim Miller seriously said he thinks terrion Arnold should be an option because he thinks they need another cb.

Him and pat Kirwan also think they should take jayden daniels at 1 because Williams isn't ready to play. (I'm pretty sure this is because they were both mad he didn't do medical at the combine)

That's insane. Caleb is really really not for everyone lol

 

[HearshotKDS]

Id rather see a tradedown than Brian Thomas or Fashanu/Fuaga at 9, I think those are the "realistic" "worst" options but concede they still improve the team.

 

[clenbuterol_clint]

well this is about as good as your keep fields/haul take, so kudos to you on staying the course with being a doofus.

 

[DefNextYear]

I won’t try to convince you… I’m probably nearly on the same boat. If MHJ or Nabers are available at 9, I’m pouncing. Otherwise, I’m strongly considering moving down.

 

[Katesboobsrgr8]

I won’t try to convince you… I’m probably nearly on the same boat. If MHJ or Nabers are available at 9, I’m pouncing. Otherwise, I’m strongly considering moving down.

I'd add Turner and Alt here, but that's about it. I'm very on the fence about Odunze in that spot.

 

[Bust]

Just stay away from the 6-7 283 pound offensive tackle!

chicity beat writer Andrew Prouse needs to stick with hockey. Leave big boy bears talk to @JordanSigler

Joe Alt is THE offensive tackle worth taking over a receiver

The Chicago Bears have endless opportunities in the 2024 NFL draft. Joe Alt could be a great option for the Bears at number 9.

www.chicitysports.com

Joe Alt is listed at 6′ 7″ and weighs in at 283 pounds. To put it simply, Alt is a peak physical specimen. He is everything a coach looks for in an offensive tackle. His agility and lateral quickness are also quite shocking for a man of his size.

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

Worst? You say.

After drafting Caleb @ 1

"With the ninth pick in the 2024 NFL draft the Chicago Bears select ...."

JJ McCarthy - Quarterback - Michigan

ESPN:

Mel Kiper: I have McCarthy as the #4 QB in this class and the #15 player overall. But with the premium on QB play in the modern passing game, this is a player you just can't pass up. It's the type of move winning teams make and the reason organizations like the Cardinals are always picking high in the draft year in and year out.

Meanwhile over at PFF:

Sam: I've been saying it for years, Quarterback is the most important position on the field. If you don't have a QB nothing else matters. It's so important and the value is so high that you should probably draft one every year. Just keep picking year after year until you hit on one because the payoff is so great when you do hit. But two in one draft and that high, that's bold. I like it, I like it alot.

Steve: Yeah, I'm with you on that Sam, but the model likes Bo Nix a little more here.

 

[jsu34]

Tackle isn't a need. IOL is a need. Edge is a need.

I get it. Football 101 says you need blindside protection. But not in a space where the interior was so poor, especially at the center position.
Jones isn't a world beater by any means but he has demonstrated he can play the position. However the holes at center and guard (they didn't stay healthy) should be ovious to anyone with half a brain.

If Nabers is there at 9, he should be the pick. Then you get Oline (interior) and Dline (edge).

 

[Bust]

Tackle isn't a need. IOL is a need. Edge is a need.

I get it. Football 101 says you need blindside protection. But not in a space where the interior was so poor, especially at the center position.
Jones isn't a world beater by any means but he has demonstrated he can play the position. However the holes at center and guard (they didn't stay healthy) should be ovious to anyone with half a brain.

If Nabers is there at 9, he should be the pick. Then you get Oline (interior) and Dline (edge).

This is a standout Tackle draft is why the position is getting hype. Like top 5 pick talent. Like starter day 1 talent. Like 10 year fixture pro bowl level talent.

Everyone knows center is weak. But the players coming out of college this year at said position are not considered 1st round material. Borderline 2nd round.

The center position this year is like the Cole Kmet draft. back in the day it was considered overall a weak tight end class coming out. And you know what? The draft gurus happened to be right, the top 5 (not including Kmet). I looked up their stats, all backups playing special teams, lol.

2020 NFL Draft Rankings: Tight Ends

Notre Dame’s Cole Kmet and Washington’s Hunter Bryant lead our rankings of the top 15 tight end prospects in the 2020 NFL Draft

www.si.com

 

[ILoveDick]

The dumbest thing they could do is trade down and skip drafting a top DE.

Imagine getting a franchise QB and DE in the same draft without having to make a trade.

And I feel I should add...this is the Bears. They could swap picks with Washington and draft Maye.

 

[Xplosive]

Where does this "draft need @ LT" narrative keep coming from!?? Alt, etc. seems tempting as a cheap plug & play, but is completely unnecessary per sources actually paying attention to Braxton Jones' progress. He graded middle of the league (teens) among starting LTs (and higher than Wright even), despite a neck issue (non-serious), and has elite measurables above any of the rookie prospects. He started off very raw, but has been more than serviceable despite, and remains on cheap a rookie contract for 2 more years.

Please let's not overstate Braxton Jones's measurables. He has long arms and has good straight line speed, but beyond that he is pretty average to below average as you can see.

What's most important to note is his horrible vertical jump of 25.5" despite being lightweight at only 310lb. This is why he can't anchor well against a bull rush and needs constant help against powerful Edge rushers.

I'm not sure why so many think he is ok to protect the best QB prospect the Bears have ever had after watching the previous best one consistently running for his life

 

[Xplosive]

Bears should not be giving an extension to Allen. He’s going to be 33 before an extension kicks in and is really here to provide Caleb with bonafide weaponry for his rookie season. Nothing wrong with a WR at 9 in this scenario.

He's coming off his best year and his play style isn't predicated on speed so he can certainly play a couple more seasons. One of the benefits of a rookie wage scale will be the money that can be spent to keep two #1 receivers on the team for the next few seasons.

I'd fully expect DJ and Keenan to be extended during the season. Something in the 2 years $40M range for Keenan and 4/$100M for DJ. That's a lot of money of course but if this season goes as planned and Caleb has a Rookie of the Year campaign, you don't mess with the chemistry trying to be cheap.

 

[Xplosive]

The dumbest thing they could do is trade down and skip drafting a top DE.

Imagine getting a franchise QB and DE in the same draft without having to make a trade.

And I feel I should add...this is the Bears. They could swap picks with Washington and draft Maye.

I don't believe Alt will be available but Fashanu is a strong option, plus he played in highschool with Caleb so of course they have chemistry.

You are correct however that taking a Defensive End is the most likely choice for Poles. I'm not as high on Turner as most and prefer the power/speed that Jared Verse brings to the table. It will be like they added Danielle Hunter for $5M AAV instead of $25M AAV

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Other than punter, LB, or random position that isn't worthy of being picked, I've been thinking that WR is actually the worst option for the #9 slot.

Unless it's Nabers or MHJ, I don't think Poles takes a WR because the Bears now have two receivers making $20M on the roster and both will be looking for contract extensions. In fact the Bears are currently #5 in the NFL spending $44M on receivers & #7 in spending on Tight Ends.

Also keep in mind that the #9 pick will be making about $4.6M this year as well and suddenly the Bears move up to the top 3 in spending. That's too much invested in receiving options.

Now that Caleb will be here to make the receivers better than ever, we should expect improvement from the likes of Tyler Scott and even... (cover your eyes) V-J-J as speedy deep threats and gadget players. With the draft being loaded at receiver the Bears can look to add another receiver prospect on day three that normally would have been taken earlier.

If Poles is smart he stands pat at receiver and looks to build the trenches with an elite prospect (Alt, Verse, Turner, Fashanu) or trades back for an extra day two pick.


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No, quite the opposite and that is with using your own argument against you.

Since DJ is younger, he will get extended while Allen will be a one-year rental unless he takes a discounted new deal. Now is the time to get that cheap WR option who can learn from two professionals and hopefully be the WR who becomes WR1 as DJ is shipped elsewhere years from now because Caleb will need to be paid and will be extremely expensive (Caleb's dad will make sure of that).

 

[iueyedoc]

Other than punter, LB, or random position that isn't worthy of being picked, I've been thinking that WR is actually the worst option for the #9 slot.

Unless it's Nabers or MHJ, I don't think Poles takes a WR because the Bears now have two receivers making $20M on the roster and both will be looking for contract extensions. In fact the Bears are currently #5 in the NFL spending $44M on receivers & #7 in spending on Tight Ends.

Also keep in mind that the #9 pick will be making about $4.6M this year as well and suddenly the Bears move up to the top 3 in spending. That's too much invested in receiving options.

Now that Caleb will be here to make the receivers better than ever, we should expect improvement from the likes of Tyler Scott and even... (cover your eyes) V-J-J as speedy deep threats and gadget players. With the draft being loaded at receiver the Bears can look to add another receiver prospect on day three that normally would have been taken earlier.

If Poles is smart he stands pat at receiver and looks to build the trenches with an elite prospect (Alt, Verse, Turner, Fashanu) or trades back for an extra day two pick.


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[TL1961]

Where does this "draft need @ LT" narrative keep coming from!?? Alt, etc. seems tempting as a cheap plug & play, but is completely unnecessary per sources actually paying attention to Braxton Jones' progress. He graded middle of the league (teens) among starting LTs (and higher than Wright even), despite a neck issue (non-serious), and has elite measurables above any of the rookie prospects. He started off very raw, but has been more than serviceable despite, and remains on cheap a rookie contract for 2 more years.


Any of the top 3 WRs would be a great pickup IF one drops to #9. Chargers will need to trade down, but need a WR however. Deep WR class could net one in the 3rd (or 2nd if they trade down) otherwise, but not worth #9 if not a top 3 WR.

It comes from recognizing that a true stud LT is the best thing a team can do for a quarterback.

Successful teams don’t play a “serviceable “LT and justify it by saying he’s “not bad for a guy with a neck injury”.

Braxton IS good value for a 5th round pick and is NOT the weakest link on the OL. But that fools fans into thinking he’s ok.

It would be like keeping Darnell Mooney as your number two wide receiver, because Chase Claypool is worse. Jones gets pushed back into the pocket too often. That has to be improved upon.

No team that added a franchise left tackle ever regretted it. On the contrary, he’s the first guy they make sure they keep after the quarterback.