Would Epstein go after disgruntled Hanley?

[Eatin' Sandwiches]

It sounds like hanley wants out of Miami since he has to play third, via rotoworld. Do you think Epstein might come a knocking? Moving Castro to second sures up our infield a bit, because I think it is safe to say that moving castro to second would cause less errors. He has a rocket arm, which would be sad to waste, but I think that also would make for a 2B that doesn't make many errors.

The only logic against this that I'm wondering about is was Epstein the one that traded Hanley away form Boston in the first place? I think he would look great in our 3 hole but I'm not sure what we would give up. Thoughts?

 

[Rice Cube]

I think he'd realize that Hanley is expensive and might not be as good as his contract and reputation dictate. And he might also be reluctant to move Castro away from SS.

 

[X]

"Hey man, I know you don't wanna play 3B for miami....

Spoiler

Wanna play 3b for us!?!"

 

[Eatin' Sandwiches]

"Hey man, I know you don't wanna play 3B for miami....

Spoiler

Wanna play 3b for us!?!"

If you're saying that's what I'm implying, I said we could move castro to second since he only has just under 2 years in he league and probably wouldn't mind.

 

[Rice Cube]

If you're saying that's what I'm implying, I said we could move castro to second since he only has just under 2 years in he league and probably wouldn't mind.

That depends on the Cubs. I think the feeling is that Castro should get as many opportunities as possible to show he can stick at SS. He is most valuable as SS.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Hanley is a terrible defender at SS. He is also a raging cunthole. Let's not trade the farm for him.

 

[nwfisch]

Hanley is a terrible defender at SS. He is also a raging cunthole. Let's not trade the farm for him.

Aramis Ramirez is a terrible defender of 3B, yet he should have been brought back.



Zambrano is a heck of a lot worse than Ramirez, but Zambrano's OK because he has a charity.

 

[dabynsky]

Aramis Ramirez is a terrible defender of 3B, yet he should have been brought back.



Zambrano is a heck of a lot worse than Ramirez, but Zambrano's OK because he has a charity.

And you apparently are also flip-flopping on the issue. The fact that he is a terrible defender and a bad teammate doesn't matter because he produces?

 

[nwfisch]

And you apparently are also flip-flopping on the issue. The fact that he is a terrible defender and a bad teammate doesn't matter because he produces?

What issue? I'm sorry I didn't like Aramis Ramirez. I guess that's a crime in here. I believe it is a good move to acquire talent, especially at the infield positions where there are a lot of holes, or dead weight (Barney).

 

[dabynsky]

What issue? I'm sorry I didn't like Aramis Ramirez. I guess that's a crime in here. I believe it is a good move to acquire talent, especially at the infield positions where there are a lot of holes, or dead weight (Barney).

I just was pointing out that you also were being inconsistent. Apparently that is also a crime.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Aramis Ramirez is a terrible defender of 3B, yet he should have been brought back.



Zambrano is a heck of a lot worse than Ramirez, but Zambrano's OK because he has a charity.

Except we have a need for Aramis and Z. We don't have a need for Hanley because of Starlin.

What issue? I'm sorry I didn't like Aramis Ramirez. I guess that's a crime in here. I believe it is a good move to acquire talent, especially at the infield positions where there are a lot of holes, or dead weight (Barney).

You don't want Ramirez back because of personal feelings towards him. I love Hanley Ramirez as a baseball player. He just doesn't make sense for this team because we don't need a SS. If we needed a SS, hell yeah, I'd be all over that. But we don't and he's going to cost a lot.

 

[nwfisch]

I just was pointing out that you also were being inconsistent. Apparently that is also a crime.

Hanley is not equal to Aramis. Hanley is in the prime of his career. Aramis' career is on the decline.

Except we have a need for Aramis and Z. We don't have a need for Hanley because of Starlin.



You don't want Ramirez back because of personal feelings towards him. I love Hanley Ramirez as a baseball player. He just doesn't make sense for this team because we don't need a SS. If we needed a SS, hell yeah, I'd be all over that. But we don't and he's going to cost a lot.

I don't want Aramis back, because I agree with the belief of paying players for future production, not past.

If the Cubs do have an interest in acquiring Hanley, they could always see what the market is for Starlin.

Acquiring and stockpiling talent is never a bad thing.

 

[Rice Cube]

Hanley had a down year in 2011. Maybe a fluke, maybe not. I don't know that he should be traded for because he's 1) expensive and 2) has attitude problems. Which incidentally are obstacles to a Carlos Zambrano trade besides his no-trade clause.

 

[dabynsky]

Hanley is not equal to Aramis. Hanley is in the prime of his career. Aramis' career is on the decline.

The point remains that we've been down this road on Aramis multiple times and the reasons why you always stated for disliking him is because he doesn't hustle and plays poor defense. You jump all over CO for preceived inconsistencies by wanting Aramis and not Hanely. I was merely pointing out that the same could be said of you for wanting a player that fits exactly the same description.

 

[Jntg4]

Hanley is not equal to Aramis. Hanley is in the prime of his career. Aramis' career is on the decline.


I don't want Aramis back, because I agree with the belief of paying players for future production, not past.

If the Cubs do have an interest in acquiring Hanley, they could always see what the market is for Starlin.

Acquiring and stockpiling talent is never a bad thing.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Hanley is not equal to Aramis. Hanley is in the prime of his career. Aramis' career is on the decline.


I don't want Aramis back, because I agree with the belief of paying players for future production, not past.

If the Cubs do have an interest in acquiring Hanley, they could always see what the market is for Starlin.

Acquiring and stockpiling talent is never a bad thing.

Ramirez's career is on the decline? Since when? That's an assumption you're making. Not a fact.

That's fine that you don't want him back, but it's not fine that you talk shit about everyone who wants Headley. Unless of course you can name a better option out there.

Trading Castro at this point is about the dumbest thing the Cubs can do. Especially if it is for Hanley. Castro's win-dollar differential is so much better than Hanley's. We're paying about 150k per win with Castro. With Hanley last year it was about 8 million/win. He projects to be more around the 3 million/win range in the future, but Castro is the better option by far. That's before you take into account the new CBA and how much more valuable an MLB win is worth now. With the extra WC, it makes every win count even more than it did before.

 

[nwfisch]

Ramirez's career is on the decline? Since when? That's an assumption you're making. Not a fact.

That's fine that you don't want him back, but it's not fine that you talk shit about everyone who wants Headley. Unless of course you can name a better option out there.

Trading Castro at this point is about the dumbest thing the Cubs can do. Especially if it is for Hanley. Castro's win-dollar differential is so much better than Hanley's. We're paying about 150k per win with Castro. With Hanley last year it was about 8 million/win. He projects to be more around the 3 million/win range in the future, but Castro is the better option by far. That's before you take into account the new CBA and how much more valuable an MLB win is worth now. With the extra WC, it makes every win count even more than it did before.

I give you crap about Headley, because the attiude you have is everything the Cubs and their players do is good. If another team would make the same move, you'd say it'd be bad.

Not saying to trade Castro for Hanley.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I give you crap about Headley, because the attiude you have is everything the Cubs and their players do is good. If another team would make the same move, you'd say it'd be bad.

Not saying to trade Castro for Hanley.

You're making a pretty large assumption there, arentcha?

I understand that. But you are essential trading Castro for Hanley if you trade for Hanley, then trade Castro. It's pretty much only going to move us back a step and cost us more money.

 

[Jntg4]

You guys argue just for hell of it even when there is no issue to debate.

It's like you guys need to do it to stay healthy or something. Arguing over nothing is like your guys' version of fapping.

Get the **** over your hatred of each other and don't have pointless arguments.

 

[Rice Cube]

You guys argue just for hell of it even when there is no issue to debate.

It's like you guys need to do it to stay healthy or something. Arguing over nothing is like your guys' version of fapping.

Get the **** over your hatred of each other and don't have pointless arguments.

Maybe they need to move to the flame thread and have some makeup sex.