11 Year Old My Little Pony Kid Attempts Suicide

Chief Walking Stick · Feb 4, 2014

http://www.chicagonow.com/portrait-of-an-adoption/2014/02/11-yr-old-boy-bullied-for-being-a-brony-fighting-for-life-after-suicide-attempt-how-you-can-help/



Now I am not trying to be completely heartless... but what the **** is this?



BRONIES!??!?!



Sounds like a place for "Uncle Jimmy" to really **** with little boy's minds and maybe make them commit suicide for other reasons.



Stories like this just leave me scratching my head...

TSD · Feb 5, 2014

you obviously aren't hip to the kids. "Bronies" has been a thing for a few years now.

The Count Dante · Feb 5, 2014

I will go a little heartless...



"He idolizes his Uncle Jimmy, who is a proud member of theBronies. The term Brony is a portmanteau that refers to fanboys of My Little Pony"



Uncle Who? Uncle "Sit on my lap" Jimmy?



"The little boy, who has ADHD and rarely sits still for a minute, feels a connection to bouncy Pinkie Pie."



On behalf of the ADHD community, perhaps you could identify with:

instead of:

"â€œMichael is deeply religious, and he turned to his faith. He asked to start taking confirmation classes, and he carried a little Bible with him everywhere. He told us that he would sit at a table at lunchtime and recite Bible verses to himself, and it brought him great joy,â€� Suttle said."



Yeeeeeah, here we go...

Perhaps the parents should have actually done something since obviously Jesus was busy. Besides, here is a good way to make sure you arent singled out...



1. Your kid is diagnosed with ADHD. It is common that it isnt the only letters associated with the brain. Learn about your kid and what may be going on. I can almost guarantee the ADD is enough for him to be/feel separate and perhaps have issues in school as it is. Drastic actions are more powerful than rational ones, in his head, then it passes as quickly as it popped in. Perhaps I was just lucky with a special ed teacher for a mother. 



2. "His mom and I, well, we told him that it didnâ€™t matter what other people think. It only matters what he thinks." Except that isnt true for the masses and certainly isnt true with an 11 year old. 



Kids dont change. They will be relentless. It is up to the parents.

TSD · Feb 5, 2014

I think most people that will commit suicide it goes a little beyond being bullied, there is definitely some mental dysfunction going on there. Never in my darkest hour has suicide even remotely crossed my mind.

The Count Dante · Feb 5, 2014

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I think most people that will commit suicide it goes a little beyond being bullied, there is definitely some mental dysfunction going on there. Never in my darkest hour has suicide even remotely crossed my mind.
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Should have learned more about their kid's brain. Right around the age of 13 is when I remember knowing my head was different. I could get very angry or happy or... at the drop of a hat and it would pass as fast as it popped up. I could act and behave extremely angry and just as fast it would pass and I would wonder why the other person was looking at me weird. 



I personally dont recall any suicide thoughts but I also did not have any bully issues. It doesnt surprise me that this happened with this kid. Could even be that if he took a few minutes and was taught to take a few minutes to step back, that the irrational behavior can be quelled if not prevented. 



Again, maybe I was just luckier.

TSD · Feb 5, 2014

and also the author of the article, it says "she lives north of chicago" lets see "Goldman" you live in Skokie.

Shantz My Pants · Feb 5, 2014

Hahaha TSD.

The world is a cruel place.

LordKOTL · Feb 5, 2014

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Should have learned more about their kid's brain. Right around the age of 13 is when I remember knowing my head was different. I could get very angry or happy or... at the drop of a hat and it would pass as fast as it popped up. I could act and behave extremely angry and just as fast it would pass and I would wonder why the other person was looking at me weird. 



I personally dont recall any suicide thoughts but I also did not have any bully issues. It doesnt surprise me that this happened with this kid. Could even be that if he took a few minutes and was taught to take a few minutes to step back, that the irrational behavior can be quelled if not prevented. 



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Possibly. I know in my case in my darkest days I did entertain some suicidal ambition--just to escape the relative hell I was living in (And for the record, I know a lot of kids had it far worse than I did).



Ultimately, I ended up realizing thatI've lived more of my childhood than I had to go before becoming an adult, and that if I survived this far I could make it another few years then get the hell out of Dodge.



I think one of problems with those that get bullied is that in general they are good, decent, and want to follow the rules--and the rules as laid down by parents and teachers in general are the zero tolerance bullshit. In my case, it was, "if you get in a fight, even defending yourself, you're in trouble." Kids seem to be taught that since there are other avenues when bullied than direct confrontation or "stooping to their level", that there should be no need for it to get physically violent or, hitting them back hard and punitive psychologically.



That was back when i was growing up--it seems to have gotten worse.



Based on other threads, a lot of the parents here seem to be reasonable--if you have to defend yourself defend yourself--just don't go overboard. Unfortunately I wasn't so lucky in that--if I got into a fight--even defending myself--I was grounded...period.



The decent kids in general want to follow the rules and some in that case can feel trapped by bullying because there is no real recourse. Bullies, on the other hand, can give two shits about the rules--and in many cases because they don't care about being punished, or breaking the rules, they don't really care if "other avenues" are used.



As such, the Bullies get off whith the equvalent of a slap on the wrist. The Bullied essentially feel trapped because any avenue they take against the bully is disadvantageous to them. You fight back--you're in trouble. You tell on the bully, and their punishment doesn't deter them further (if they're punished at all), and may just anger them.



For kids like me who didn't even have parents that supported them standing up for themself, I can see how it could lead to suicidal ambition. The kid essentially feels completely trapped and tormented by fear--and all they want is a way out and no matter what they do they're screwed.

TSD · Feb 6, 2014

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Possibly. I know in my case in my darkest days I did entertain some suicidal ambition--just to escape the relative hell I was living in (And for the record, I know a lot of kids had it far worse than I did).



Ultimately, I ended up realizing thatI've lived more of my childhood than I had to go before becoming an adult, and that if I survived this far I could make it another few years then get the hell out of Dodge.



I think one of problems with those that get bullied is that in general they are good, decent, and want to follow the rules--and the rules as laid down by parents and teachers in general are the zero tolerance bullshit. In my case, it was, "if you get in a fight, even defending yourself, you're in trouble." Kids seem to be taught that since there are other avenues when bullied than direct confrontation or "stooping to their level", that there should be no need for it to get physically violent or, hitting them back hard and punitive psychologically.



That was back when i was growing up--it seems to have gotten worse.



Based on other threads, a lot of the parents here seem to be reasonable--if you have to defend yourself defend yourself--just don't go overboard. Unfortunately I wasn't so lucky in that--if I got into a fight--even defending myself--I was grounded...period.



The decent kids in general want to follow the rules and some in that case can feel trapped by bullying because there is no real recourse. Bullies, on the other hand, can give two shits about the rules--and in many cases because they don't care about being punished, or breaking the rules, they don't really care if "other avenues" are used.



As such, the Bullies get off whith the equvalent of a slap on the wrist. The Bullied essentially feel trapped because any avenue they take against the bully is disadvantageous to them. You fight back--you're in trouble. You tell on the bully, and their punishment doesn't deter them further (if they're punished at all), and may just anger them.



For kids like me who didn't even have parents that supported them standing up for themself, I can see how it could lead to suicidal ambition. The kid essentially feels completely trapped and tormented by fear--and all they want is a way out and no matter what they do they're screwed.
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Alot of it is a childs perception of time. At that age finishing jr high or highschool as a teenager seems like an eternity. As a 32 year old adult its like, 2010 was really 4 years ago?! To a kid that started HS in 2010 that seemed like forever to them, I think thats why when you tell a kid, what happens in highschool is irrelevant to the remainder of their life kind of rings hollow, when you have only lived 13 years, 4-5 years seems like a hell of a long time.

winos5 · Feb 6, 2014

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Alot of it is a childs perception of time. At that age finishing jr high or highschool as a teenager seems like an eternity. As a 32 year old adult its like, 2010 was really 4 years ago?! To a kid that started HS in 2010 that seemed like forever to them, I think thats why when you tell a kid, what happens in highschool is irrelevant to the remainder of their life kind of rings hollow, when you have only lived 13 years, 4-5 years seems like a hell of a long time.
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Can't tell you how often I said that to my oldest. His first year post high school has been an adjustment to say the least

BigPete · Feb 6, 2014

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The decent kids in general want to follow the rules and some in that case can feel trapped by bullying because there is no real recourse. Bullies, on the other hand, can give two shits about the rules--and in many cases because they don't care about being punished, or breaking the rules, they don't really care if "other avenues" are used.
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I generally agreed with all that you said, however this part is just a tad off the mark. Bullies break the rules to get attention. They want empowerment when their friends congratulate them for putting someone down. They want their educators' attention when they counsel them and suspend them...often in an effort to get help from them but also so they get in trouble at home, which they think will lead to more interactions with their parents who have apparently stopped being loving parents.



This is what I encountered with three different bullies in middle school and also my first two years of high school. One continued his aggressive behavior over the course of 4 years while one stopped after 8th grade and the other I first encountered in freshman year.



What did I do to deserve it? I was a bit of a know it all, I had a better home life than them, and I was not in their clique nor was I 'popular'. How did I handle it? I persevered and got my licks in when I could. I also chose pacifism as much as possible which pissed them off but took the fun out of it for the friends and witnesses. It also made their punishments a lot more severe as it was a one sided fight. Did I ever think about suicide? Not in an actionable way. But I was depressed and did a lot of soul searching.



I take comfort in knowing that I am more accomplished and most likely more successful financially than any of them are which isn't saying much (since I'm barely upper middle class...maybe).

LordKOTL · Feb 12, 2014

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I generally agreed with all that you said, however this part is just a tad off the mark. Bullies break the rules to get attention. They want empowerment when their friends congratulate them for putting someone down. They want their educators' attention when they counsel them and suspend them...often in an effort to get help from them but also so they get in trouble at home, which they think will lead to more interactions with their parents who have apparently stopped being loving parents.



This is what I encountered with three different bullies in middle school and also my first two years of high school. One continued his aggressive behavior over the course of 4 years while one stopped after 8th grade and the other I first encountered in freshman year.



What did I do to deserve it? I was a bit of a know it all, I had a better home life than them, and I was not in their clique nor was I 'popular'. How did I handle it? I persevered and got my licks in when I could. I also chose pacifism as much as possible which pissed them off but took the fun out of it for the friends and witnesses. It also made their punishments a lot more severe as it was a one sided fight. Did I ever think about suicide? Not in an actionable way. But I was depressed and did a lot of soul searching.



I take comfort in knowing that I am more accomplished and most likely more successful financially than any of them are which isn't saying much (since I'm barely upper middle class...maybe).
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I won't disagree at all, but the core of the issue I see is that bullies in general--and in both scenarios, don't have the same aversion to "getting in trouble" for whatever reason.


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Alot of it is a childs perception of time. At that age finishing jr high or highschool as a teenager seems like an eternity. As a 32 year old adult its like, 2010 was really 4 years ago?! To a kid that started HS in 2010 that seemed like forever to them, I think thats why when you tell a kid, what happens in highschool is irrelevant to the remainder of their life kind of rings hollow, when you have only lived 13 years, 4-5 years seems like a hell of a long time.
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No disagreement here, either. Perception of time plays a lot into it. My childhood was a relative hell (I know plenty who've had it much worse), and the hardest thing was how long and drawn out everything seemed, however, In H.S. I really just stopped giving a crap because my mindset going in was, "I've survived 8-9 years of hell and it's started to get better. 4 more and <FFT!> I'm out of here! 4 years was long, but not as long as the preceding 9.



It's also why i try to tell some of my younger reatives that a lot of the crap they feed you is bullshit. I was fed all my childhood/adolescence that those were the best times of my life and that adulthood was absolutely brutal. In retrospect: No. Yeah, Adulthood is hard work and more "dire" in terms of what happens if you can't handle the responsibility, but my childhood/adolescence was basically other people deciding what "my best interest" was (say that like in the Suicidal Tendencies song, "Institutionalized"), and Failing. Hard. At least as an adult I may not be perfect, or the richest, or whatnot but at least I can own my own decisions.

jakobeast · Feb 12, 2014

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I won't disagree at all, but the core of the issue I see is that bullies in general--and in both scenarios, don't have the same aversion to "getting in trouble" for whatever reason.





No disagreement here, either. Perception of time plays a lot into it. My childhood was a relative hell (I know plenty who've had it much worse), and the hardest thing was how long and drawn out everything seemed, however, In H.S. I really just stopped giving a crap because my mindset going in was, "I've survived 8-9 years of hell and it's started to get better. 4 more and <FFT!> I'm out of here! 4 years was long, but not as long as the preceding 9.



It's also why i try to tell some of my younger reatives that a lot of the crap they feed you is bullshit. I was fed all my childhood/adolescence that those were the best times of my life and that adulthood was absolutely brutal. In retrospect: No. Yeah, Adulthood is hard work and more "dire" in terms of what happens if you can't handle the responsibility, but my childhood/adolescence was basically other people deciding what "my best interest" was (say that like in the Suicidal Tendencies song, "Institutionalized"), and Failing. Hard. At least as an adult I may not be perfect, or the richest, or whatnot but at least I can own my own decisions.
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I wouldn't say my school years blew, but it wasn't the best years. High school, for the brief time I was in there, wasn't horrid. I also learned early that none of it mattered. School wasn't for me. I don't do good learning from a book. Sophomore year I was gone. 



As an adult, I have mellowed a lot. Do I wish I had stuck it out? Not really. If I had known then what I know now, holy crap, I would have had a field day. I gave one teacher a nervous breakdown, I can only imagine what I would have done.

TSD · Feb 13, 2014

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I wouldn't say my school years blew, but it wasn't the best years. High school, for the brief time I was in there, wasn't horrid. I also learned early that none of it mattered. School wasn't for me. I don't do good learning from a book. Sophomore year I was gone. 



As an adult, I have mellowed a lot. Do I wish I had stuck it out? Not really. If I had known then what I know now, holy crap, I would have had a field day. I gave one teacher a nervous breakdown, I can only imagine what I would have done.
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I always feel bad for people where highschool was the highlight of their life. Any time I go to bars around joliet, they are full of people I went to HS with, all they want to talk about is highschool, its like I am sorry you are 32 and never went beyond disc replay employee. I have a buddy thats like that too, any time he has a get together at his house you can be assured, the music playlist is anything that was on Q101 between 1996-2000.

LordKOTL · Feb 13, 2014

To me those who keep reminiscing about highschool are bad, but those who really believe that HS is supposed to be the best time in someone's life *and* try to brainwash the kids coming into highschool about that mistruth are far more insidious.



I probably take it to the other extreme--I never really talk or think about it anymore--and I really don't like any time before my graduation brought up that much. I'm sure my wife has some classification for that psychosis but as far as I was concerned childhood/adolescense was something that needed to be survived--life started after that when the yoke of "minorhood" was cast off and I made, owned, and accepted responisbility and consequences for the desciosns about my life and its direction.



High school was just attrition and endurance. I only gave enough of a shit to get my diploma and ride it all out. It sucked but was realively easy compared to my younger years--which to me were brutal and before late in my 8th grade year I really felt like there was no escape.



Ultimately though I think a lot of parents, teachers, and other school personnel are in the business of trying to convince kids that school and childhood matter more than they do as a means of keeping order.

TSD · Feb 14, 2014

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To me those who keep reminiscing about highschool are bad, but those who really believe that HS is supposed to be the best time in someone's life *and* try to brainwash the kids coming into highschool about that mistruth are far more insidious.



I probably take it to the other extreme--I never really talk or think about it anymore--and I really don't like any time before my graduation brought up that much. I'm sure my wife has some classification for that psychosis but as far as I was concerned childhood/adolescense was something that needed to be survived--life started after that when the yoke of "minorhood" was cast off and I made, owned, and accepted responisbility and consequences for the desciosns about my life and its direction.



High school was just attrition and endurance. I only gave enough of a shit to get my diploma and ride it all out. It sucked but was realively easy compared to my younger years--which to me were brutal and before late in my 8th grade year I really felt like there was no escape.



Ultimately though I think a lot of parents, teachers, and other school personnel are in the business of trying to convince kids that school and childhood matter more than they do as a means of keeping order.
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Everyone told me that before I went into highschool, and not surprisingly they all peaked in Highschool.

LordKOTL · Feb 14, 2014

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Pretty much, and kinda sad, really. I know everything is perception and all, but I cannot fathom how being in HS, under the thumb of your parents, teachers, and school administrators with a set curfew and so many restrictions on you can be the best time of your life.



Okay, maybe if you have kids right out of highschool and thus can't enjoy your 20's because you have kids to feed, but that's your own fault.

MassHavoc · Feb 14, 2014

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Pretty much, and kinda sad, really. I know everything is perception and all, but I cannot fathom how being in HS, under the thumb of your parents, teachers, and school administrators with a set curfew and so many restrictions on you can be the best time of your life.



Okay, maybe if you have kids right out of highschool and thus can't enjoy your 20's because you have kids to feed, but that's your own fault.
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Wow.... you and I had completely different experiences. While I wouldn't say it was the best time in my life per se... I loved high school. And I loved college. And I loved my single time right out of college, and I love my time now with my kid. I think the only thing I have a problem with is people who say blah blah blah was the best time of my life because I feel like they are doing life wrong. Every time should be the best time of you life, life is what you make of it and every stage I've gone through has something I would miss if I hadn't gone through it.

TSD · Feb 14, 2014

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Pretty much, and kinda sad, really. I know everything is perception and all, but I cannot fathom how being in HS, under the thumb of your parents, teachers, and school administrators with a set curfew and so many restrictions on you can be the best time of your life.



Okay, maybe if you have kids right out of highschool and thus can't enjoy your 20's because you have kids to feed, but that's your own fault.
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I mean the lack of real responsibility for anything is nice, no bills, for a little bit no job, but as you said that is definitely a big trade off in that Id much rather have a job and bills if it means having my own place and not having to answer to anyone.

LordKOTL · Feb 14, 2014

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I mean the lack of real responsibility for anything is nice, no bills, for a little bit no job, but as you said that is definitely a big trade off in that Id much rather have a job and bills if it means having my own place and not having to answer to anyone.
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I do agree that there is a draw to a "lack of responsibility", but I'm with you: I can deal with bills and the responsibility of keeping on top of everything if it means that once all of that is accomplished I can do whatever the smeg I want.
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Wow.... you and I had completely different experiences. While I wouldn't say it was the best time in my life per se... I loved high school. And I loved college. And I loved my single time right out of college, and I love my time now with my kid. I think the only thing I have a problem with is people who say blah blah blah was the best time of my life because I feel like they are doing life wrong. Every time should be the best time of you life, life is what you make of it and every stage I've gone through has something I would miss if I hadn't gone through it.
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I love your atitude of "it is what you make it", but I think there are some people--especially those that had a worse time than I did, where you simply cannot make the best of a bad situation. No matter how good you try to make it, you're never going to look back favorably even if you did the best you could.

I will say this about my life: Before my mom died it was good--the parts I can remember. After my mom sied until my Dad and Stepmom got a divorce it was hell. After the divorce until I graduated was a game of attrition. After graduation until I started dating my (now) wife, beyond awesome. Dating my wife until marrying her, beyond awesome. Since marrying her, still beyond awesome. 



But don't get me wrong--if someone had an awesome childhood or adolescence, more power to them--same with young adulthood and beyond. But we're all very different and have had differnet experiences. Just because you loved a specific time of your life doesn't mean someone else did--nor should they have.



And also don't get me wrong in the fact that even though my experience from 5-18 was less-than-favorable and that I don't like to think back, that it didn't define who I am for good or bad.

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