12 years for murder

[TSD]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2900376,CST-NWS-boulay17.article





Commiting a murder at 20, and getting out at 33? 12 years for strangling your ex-girlfriend with a phone cord? It makes me want to look up what far lesser crimes you could commit, and do more time, wow. This is ridiculous, the guy is still young and has alot of life ahead of him, its not like he went in at 20 and got out at 65, hes only 33. and apparently is going to hawaii to live the cushy life with some broad he married in prison.



If this guy had killed my sister or something, I would kill him, no bones about it, I wouldn't care what happened to me, the man would be dead.

 

[phranchk]

I remember hearing a few years back that Illinois is the easiest state to get off early for murder in. I think on average murderers serve 8 years in Illinois.

That could be wrong since I'm going from memory on it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[TSD]

I remember hearing a few years back that Illinois is the easiest state to get off early for murder in. I think on average murderers serve 8 years in Illinois.

That could be wrong since I'm going from memory on it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

That is ridiculous. I cannot imagine the feeling of having someone close to you murdered and the perpetrator getting such a light punishment. The anger toward that person and resentment of the powers that be that allowed this to happen.



Its situations like this where I completely unterstand a family member flying off the handle and killing this dude in a most brutal fashion, funny thing is, he'd probably get the book thrown at em for killing this murderer.



Wasn't there also recently some story that was like a replica of that movie with gerard butler? This guys family (all women his wife and two daughters) were raped by two guys and burned alive and they got light sentences or at least no death penalty.

 

[Kerfuffle]

This guy will kill again. Reminds me of Joran VanderSloot - once a killer always a killer

 

[ErinGoBragh]

That is ridiculous. I cannot imagine the feeling of having someone close to you murdered and the perpetrator getting such a light punishment. The anger toward that person and resentment of the powers that be that allowed this to happen.



Its situations like this where I completely unterstand a family member flying off the handle and killing this dude in a most brutal fashion, funny thing is, he'd probably get the book thrown at em for killing this murderer.



Wasn't there also recently some story that was like a replica of that movie with gerard butler? This guys family (all women his wife and two daughters) were raped by two guys and burned alive and they got light sentences or at least no death penalty.

One of the guys got the death penalty, I think the other is in court now for it.



There's also the story about the lady who was painting her nails and rearended someone on a motorcycle and killed them. The woman spends the night in a facility but is out during the day for work and travel.

She recently asked for more time out. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-nail-polish-crash-1117-20101116,0,3138707.story

 

[BigPete]

I have long been a proponent of a quick application of the death penalty for any convicted of a murder charge higher than involuntary manslaughter. It is really hard to take someones life if they accidentally (but with some responsibility) killed someone. But if you straight up murder someone, then you just forfeighted your right to life. Shoot em in a public square. Put that shit of primetime network tv.



We need to stop thinking that everyone can be rehabilited. There are parole boards that will release a dude who has committed murder three separate times...WTF?

 

[Tater]

I have long been a proponent of a quick application of the death penalty for any convicted of a murder charge higher than involuntary manslaughter. It is really hard to take someones life if they accidentally (but with some responsibility) killed someone. But if you straight up murder someone, then you just forfeighted your right to life. Shoot em in a public square. Put that shit of primetime network tv.



We need to stop thinking that everyone can be rehabilited. There are parole boards that will release a dude who has committed murder three separate times...WTF?

I agree 100%.

 

[TSD]

To add to this, i was listening to the radio during lunch, and a guest was a woman from a victims advocacy group.



They have a current client being sued by the man that hit and killed their young son. He was doing 85 in a 40, the kid was on a bike. The DRIVER is suing the kids parents because they didnt make him wear a helmet. Further, the driver had 4 DUI's on his record and shouldn't have actually had a license at the time the state screwed up there, this was in massachusetts or somewhere in the north east. The driver is currently in jail of course for manslaughter, but due to some funky law is able to file these riidiculous suits FOR FREE, because hes incarcerated. Talk about putting the victims through the ordeal twice, by blaming them for their sons death and suing them. I highly doubt, a bike helmet would have done much to save a kid hit by a 2 ton vehicle at 85mph.

 

[the canadian dream]

Yah Im not sure if people charged with crimes like murder should get the option of getting sentences reduced based on good behavior while in prison. 24 years is light for murder but getting it reduced on half for good behavior while in prison? Really? This is the biggest problem. What is good behavior in prison based on? Not stabbing your cell mate? Honestly I understand that showing good behavior in prison means maybe one is trying to right some wrongs and change themselves but dude...you killed someone.



Sometimes it sounds like they let people go fast or hand out low sentences because they don't want to waste time and money holding these guys in prisons and need to make room for the next criminal. If that's the case maybe you need to start looking at who you are putting behind bars in the first place. I do know there has been a lot of time and money and energy spent on getting Mark Emery (a Canadian) into your jails because he sold pot seeds over the internet and mailed them across the boarder. Hmmmm.



Didn't mean to bring up that debate. Sorry. We should talk about the bible. Cause I actually blame it. DAMN YOU LEVITICUS!

 

[jakobeast]

Yah Im not sure if people charged with crimes like murder should get the option of getting sentences reduced based on good behavior while in prison. 24 years is light for murder but getting it reduced on half for good behavior while in prison? Really? This is the biggest problem. What is good behavior in prison based on? Not stabbing your cell mate? Honestly I understand that showing good behavior in prison means maybe one is trying to right some wrongs and change themselves but dude...you killed someone.



Sometimes it sounds like they let people go fast or hand out low sentences because they don't want to waste time and money holding these guys in prisons and need to make room for the next criminal. If that's the case maybe you need to start looking at who you are putting behind bars in the first place. I do know there has been a lot of time and money and energy spent on getting Mark Emery (a Canadian) into your jails because he sold pot seeds over the internet and mailed them across the boarder. Hmmmm.



Didn't mean to bring up that debate. Sorry. We should talk about the bible. Cause I actually blame it. DAMN YOU LEVITICUS!

DING

 

[TJD]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who saw this article and thought "WTF"?



I'm sure they will blame part of it on prison overcrowding, which is bullshit because we put people in jail much longer for a less violent crime. Not all are less violent but some of these drug charges and such are getting way to out of hand and are causing the people who DESERVE to sit in prison getting let go with "good behavior".

 

[LordKOTL]

I have long been a proponent of a quick application of the death penalty for any convicted of a murder charge higher than involuntary manslaughter. It is really hard to take someones life if they accidentally (but with some responsibility) killed someone. But if you straight up murder someone, then you just forfeighted your right to life. Shoot em in a public square. Put that shit of primetime network tv.



We need to stop thinking that everyone can be rehabilited. There are parole boards that will release a dude who has committed murder three separate times...WTF?

Only 1 problem I have with that.



Make sure the person is guilty of it first unequivocably. If it's a case where the verdict hands on "expert" testimony and the shenanigans, innuendoes, and half-truths of the legal council are what makes or breaks the trial, then no--especially if there is a possibility that new evidence can exhonorate the defendent.



However, if it is a case where multiple eyewitnesses can prove it, then yeah, off them.

 

[maryo]

This whole thing made me sick to my stomach from the start. I went to school with Andrea... she was possibly the most gentle person I'll ever meet in my life. She's the first dead body I ever saw... and let me tell you, there was no covering up the fact she'd been strangled. It was horrible. Not only was the asshole who killed her released after serving less than half his sentence (and 24 years for capital murder is not even enough... but 12?!?!) but the entire year during his trial he never spent a day in prison. He was out and free to roam with a tracking bracelet. Her fucking mother ran into him in public... can you imagine that? Not only has your daughter been torn away from you, but you round a corner and find yourself staring into the smiling face of her killer. ****. Epic fail, judicial system. Epic fail.

 

[jakobeast]

This whole thing made me sick to my stomach from the start. I went to school with Andrea... she was possibly the most gentle person I'll ever meet in my life. She's the first dead body I ever saw... and let me tell you, there was no covering up the fact she'd been strangled. It was horrible. Not only was the asshole who killed her released after serving less than half his sentence (and 24 years for capital murder is not even enough... but 12?!?!) but the entire year during his trial he never spent a day in prison. He was out and free to roam with a tracking bracelet. Her fucking mother ran into him in public... can you imagine that? Not only has your daughter been torn away from you, but you round a corner and find yourself staring into the smiling face of her killer. ****. Epic fail, judicial system. Epic fail.

How did she not end him right then and there? I would not blame her one bit. If I were on that jury, no way would I convict her.

 

[Variable]

How did she not end him right then and there? I would not blame her one bit. If I were on that jury, no way would I convict her.

And in doing that you would only add to the problem.

 

[jakobeast]

And in doing that you would only add to the problem.

I spose so. But that is a problem that is worth having.

 

[Tater]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who saw this article and thought "WTF"?



I'm sure they will blame part of it on prison overcrowding, which is bullshit because we put people in jail much longer for a less violent crime. Not all are less violent but some of these drug charges and such are getting way to out of hand and are causing the people who DESERVE to sit in prison getting let go with "good behavior".

There is an unused prison sitting empty in Thomson, IL.

Put that ****** in there to rot. No T.V., only bologna sandwiches for meals.....

 

[TSD]

Only 1 problem I have with that.



Make sure the person is guilty of it first unequivocably. If it's a case where the verdict hands on "expert" testimony and the shenanigans, innuendoes, and half-truths of the legal council are what makes or breaks the trial, then no--especially if there is a possibility that new evidence can exhonorate the defendent.



However, if it is a case where multiple eyewitnesses can prove it, then yeah, off them.

completely agree, in this case the guy is guilty as sin, but Ive seen enough shows on the innocence project, to know there are more people convicted of crimes they didnt commit than im comfortable with and a judicial system that wants to seem infallable. They had a case where they got ahold of indisputable dna evidence, this guy convicted of a rape and murder didnt do it, and the courts wouldnt admit it (he did eventually get exhonerated) but you shouldnt have to jump through that many hoops when somebody is proven to be innocent of a crime.

 

[Variable]

I spose so. But that is a problem that is worth having.

No, not really. Once you start going down that path, where's the line? There ceases to be one. Real life isn't a movie, it isn't "A Time to Kill."

 

[jakobeast]

No, not really. Once you start going down that path, where's the line? There ceases to be one. Real life isn't a movie, it isn't "A Time to Kill."

I do understand that. However, I wouldn't blame the mother or father one bit for doing that. Honestly.