2010 Unrestricted Free Agent List

[Fred]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Fred wrote:

LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Joe Johnson
Amare Stoudemire
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Tyson Chandler
Manu Ginobili
Richard Jefferson
Tracy McGrady
Yao Ming
Dirk Nowitzki
Michael Redd

Am I missing anyone of note? I believe these are the big UNRESTRICTED free agents. To be
honest, isn't everyone on this list, outside of the top 4, on the downside of their careers? I don't see anyone entering their prime outside of the top 4.

LeBron is the only player on this list who I feel could possibly bring us a title with this team as currently constituted. If you add Wade, I don't think we're good enough to win a title...I still think a Cleveland team with LeBron would be better. Is the team around Dwayne in Miami that much worse than the current Bulls roster minus Salmons, Miller, and Thomas (all who will have to go in order to sign Wade)?

What are the odds we sign no one on this list in next offseason? Right now, I'd put it at 50-50.

Your missing Boozer so there's 6 guys who have realistic chance of leaving with 4 teams with cap space. The Heat isn't that much better with Wade right now than our team currently constructed. Seriously Fred are you saying that if we got Wade and then rolled with a Wade, Rose, Noah, Deng, and some crappy power foward we couldn't win the title?

That is exactly what I'm saying if LeBron resigns with Cleveland. If he signs with the Knicks, then maybe we can represent the East in Finals after the Celtics get too old in 2 years, but I don't see us beating the Lakers in the next 3 years, or Portland beyond that. I don't think that Wade and Rose are a great fit on the offensive end since their best asset is exactly the same (driving ability...Both players would be better off with a long distance shooter). I would zone up on that team. Noah doesn't shoot well enough to pull a center or power forward away from the basket. Deng doesn't shoot the 3 enough. They'll win games because Wade is fantastic, and Rose may be fantastic, but I don't think they'll be good enough to beat a LeBron-led Cleveland team. Noah is a great offensive rebounder. He is an average to good defensive rebounder...not great. Defensively, that team could be terrible on the interior if that unnamed power forward isn't something special defensively.

FYI, Wade will demand a max deal. Rose will demand something close to that in a few years. Deng will be making 12-14 million per year over the next few years. Those 3 guys will take up 90% of our cap space, especially if the cap continues to go down. We will have next to nothing to add good players. I don' think a core of Wade, Rose, and Deng is enough, especially with the Deng injury history factored in.

 

[Dpauley23]

Fred A Rose, Wade, and Deng cap will probably only take up 45 million or so. I expect us to spend 70 million since after the new CBA it seems almost certain that luxury tax will be gone. I think you probably get Noah to the contract of Paul Millsap around 40 million for 5 years. Now im not saying first year were going to win championship because we will have too many holes to fill, but with us having midlevel exception I think we could have add some really nice pieces. Get couple good shooters and defensive big men. I think that we could find the answer at the 4 in this year's draft though considering how great of draft class it is. I don't buy that Rose and Wade combo couldn't work because we need a three pointer shooter as Wade can still manage to easily get 30 a night with their best 3 pointer shooter being him

 

[houheffna]

I talked about the fact that Sloan has Deron Williams playing off the ball when Maynor is in the game. I see Deron and Rose as similar players. Rose, if taught (Sloan is a HOFer, VDN is...VDN)could possibly compliment Wade on a greater level. Williams is decent at hitting 3pt shots. Rose would have to get better. Rose would have to do the same with Lebron also.

 

[Shakes]

I don't see why we'd stress too much about Rose fitting with those guys. If he's a bad fit, what's to say we need to keep him? Rose is just a potential guy right now, if we get someone who is already a star why not look to win now and cash in Rose for someone who is already a star? After all, I doubt LeBron or Wade want to wait around for players to develop, they'll want instant results.

Basically I don't see why obtaining a FA has to be the last roster move we make. If you get one of the big names it's because you're looking to build a team around them.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

TheStig wrote:

If thats what they are truly believing, they would be tanking every year till they get the next great player. Great players rarely change teams, getting a great player like them is very rare. In the last decade, the only MVPs to move are KG, Shaq and Nash. Two of those guys chose to be moved and Nash was not nearly the player he is in PHX. Your much more likely to draft one and a Joe Johnson also gives you no shot at a title.

I agree that tanking is normally the way to go. However I have one word to refute the idea in this case: LeBron. There's unlikely to be anyone better than him in the next two decades of drafts, so whatever slight chance of getting him is probably still a better move than tanking.

We aren't getting Bron, so many things have to line up perfectly. One of those being us getting farther than the cavs in the playoffs and Rose being much better than last year. We can't even insure those two let alone the other things that have to happen. I would happily take Wade but it will mean we'd have to trade rose for a pf.

 

[Chitown773]

Let me guess, people are dubious about this pairing because of the driving styles they both have... right? Well, if you are, don't be. Wade opens the floor for the other four guys. Rose will do the same. Which means more room and more opportunities for everyone on the court. Rose shoots the ball just inside the three point line and Deng can shoot the three but chooses not to. I'm not worried about that at all. Wade can go 75% from the three point line on any night. Trust me, if you are doubting a H.O.F. guard then you shouldn't be discussing that particular topic on this forum. Wade makes his team better. Rose is just learning how to do that with this particular squad.

 

[Shakes]

TheStig wrote:

We aren't getting Bron

Probably not, but like I said, you could go twenty years with number 1 picks and not get anyone as good as him, so even a very small chance is worth trying for.

It seems all the criticism of the 2010 attempt is "it probably wont work". Well hell, the supporters of the plan already know that, we just think the small chance is better than the no chance at all of the alternatives.

 

[houheffna]

Wade opens the floor for the other four guys. Rose will do the same. Which means more room and more opportunities for everyone on the court. Rose shoots the ball just inside the three point line and Deng can shoot the three but chooses not to.

Deng is not yet steady as a 3pt shooter. Wade is not that great at it, Rose is bad at it...the problem is when I compare Rose to Williams, Williams is a better shooter. He would play very well off of Wade. I don't see Rose playing to that level right now. I am hoping to see some improvements in the future.

 

[pinkizdead]

williams was insane in the lakers series last year.

 

[cool007]

Rose is already good with so many flaws in his game. If he improves on 2 things (not that hard for a star type player with work ethic) - 3pt shooting and getting to the free throw line. Those things come in time (see Devin harris and quite a few others). He would be perfect next to ANYONE - especially next to a star player like Wade/Bron - who draw SO MUCH attention.

Right now Rose tries to dribble to drive inside and he sees people cheating off their man to double, triple Rose and build a wall. That would never happen if he has a star player next to him. Also, we can just fill in other gaps (3pt shooting) and that is not that hard to find.

Deng seems to alraedy be developing 3pt shooting - right now he doesn't take as many but eventually he will. That will be a HUGE help. If not, I have no problem trading him for couple of Role players who can shoot.

I am hoping that we don't come out empty handed or come out with a washed up star player who will be on the decline.

Also, I hope we get rid of Vinny the coach and bring in a respected coach who has went deep in the playoffs.