2011 Sox Had 5 Starters With Negative WAR

[SaberSox]

A great article on why the White Sox sucked. It goes in to more than just WAR.

WAR's toll on the White Sox - South Side Sox

 

[DewsSox79]

thank god it wasnt just WAR. WAR alone sucks as an evaluation

 

[Uman85]

I'm surprised it was only 5.

 

[SaberSox]

thank god it wasnt just WAR. WAR alone sucks as an evaluation

why?

 

[#19]

WAR alone sucks as an evaluation

Everything alone sucks as an evaluation tool.

 

[Uman85]

Everything alone sucks as an evaluation tool.

That's true, but Dews is simply saying there are better stats to use besides WAR to determine a player's value.

 

[nwfisch]

thank god it wasnt just WAR. WAR sucks

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7V6FAoTLc"]Edwin Starr - War (What Is It Good For?) - YouTube[/ame]

WAR is good for nothing.

 

[#19]

That's true, but Dews is simply saying there are better stats to use besides WAR to determine a player's value.

Name it

 

[nwfisch]

Name it

Wins, losses, ERA, WHIP, ERA+

A host of statistics, not cherry picking WAR and using it as it alone has no solid base.

 

[Uman85]

The problem with WAR is that there are too many different ways to calculate it, therefore it has no solid and uniform base to rely on.

 

[SaberSox]

Wins, losses, ERA, WHIP, ERA+

A host of statistics, not cherry picking WAR and using it as it alone has no solid base.

Wins and losses have almost nothing to do with a pitcher's value. Wins are so very much dependent on the offense and the defense behind the pitcher.

Do you think a pitcher who goes 8 innings and loses 1-0 had a bad outing? Yet they don't get a W. Quality Starts is a much better valuation of a pitcher, regardless if you agree with how it's measured nor not.

 

[Captain Iago]

Dead link?

Anyway:

I'm not here to talk about the past.

 

[nwfisch]

Wins and losses have almost nothing to do with a pitcher's value. Wins are so very much dependent on the offense and the defense behind the pitcher.

Do you think a pitcher who goes 8 innings and loses 1-0 had a bad outing? Yet they don't get a W. Quality Starts is a much better valuation of a pitcher, regardless if you agree with how it's measured nor not.

If you cherry pick W/L and use that alone, that's bad as well. Context is important in regards to analyzing players.

 

[nickofypres]

That's true, but Dews is simply saying there are better stats to use besides WAR to determine a player's value.

The can of worms you just opened....

 

[SaberSox]

Dead link?

It worked when i posted it. Weird.

 

[SaberSox]

The can of worms you just opened....

Nah...it's a good discussion.

 

[Uman85]

The can of worms you just opened....

It's a good thing CO isn't a Sox fan. :lol: SaberSox is intelligent and knows his stuff. I think we're good.

 

[nickofypres]

Nah...it's a good discussion.

:bizarro:

 

[nickofypres]

It's a good thing CO isn't a Sox fan. :lol: SaberSox is intelligent and knows his stuff. I think we're good.

True that.


I'm pro Saber/SABR btw.

 

[SaberSox]

It's a good thing CO isn't a Sox fan. :lol: SaberSox is intelligent and knows his stuff. I think we're good.

Much obliged, though I fake most of it.