2012 NBA Awards

[Heisenberg]

Since there's only about a month left in the regular season, thought I'd start a thread on award predictions to see what everyone's predictions are.

MVP: Kevin Durant
DPOY: Dwight Howard
MIP: Ryan Anderson or Jeremy Lin
ROY: Kyrie Irving
COY: Tom Thibodeau
SMOY: James Harden

All-NBA 1st Team
C: Dwight Howard
F: LeBron James
F: Kevin Durant
G: Dwyane Wade
G: Chris Paul

All-NBA 2nd
C: Andrew Bynum
F: Kevin Love
F: Dirk Nowitzki
G: Russell Westbrook
G: Derrick Rose

All-NBA 3rd
C: Marc Gasol
F: Blake Griffin
F: LaMarcus Aldridge
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Tony Parker

All-Defensive 1st
C: Dwight Howard
F: Serge Ibaka
F: LeBron James
G: Andre Iguodala
G: Rajon Rondo

All-Defensive 2nd
C: Joakim Noah
F: Kevin Garnett
F: Luol Deng
G: Tony Allen
G: Avery Bradley

All-Rookie 1st
C: Nikola Pekovic
F: Kenneth Faried
F: Chandler Parsons
G: Kyrie Irving
G: Ricky Rubio

All-Rookie 2nd
C: Bismack Biyombo
F: Derrick Williams
F: Kawhi Leonard
G: Klay Thompson
G: Isaiah Thomas

 

[RC_Skinny22]

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/20675-ot-nba-awards-2012-a.html

 

[Heisenberg]

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/20675-ot-nba-awards-2012-a.html

ooo Don't know how I missed that. :dunno:

Lock this up.

 

[BNB]

I'll give my picks later on, but I have a few comments on your picks.

I don't think Rose should be on the All-second team because he has missed too many games. I think Kobe should take his place on the All-second team and Rose should be on the All-third team.

Nikola Pekovic isn't a rookie, so he shouldn't be on the All-Rookie team.

and Avery Bradley plays 18 MPG. I think there are more deserving players that play more than him that should get his spot on the all-D-2nd team.

 

[thechosenone]

MVP: Kevin Durant
DPOY: Serge Ibaka
MIP: Jeremy Lin
ROY: Kyrie Irving
COY: Tom Thibodeau
SMOY: James Harden

All-NBA 1st Team
C: Dwight Howard
F: LeBron James
F: Kevin Durant
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Derrick Rose

All-NBA 2nd
C: Andrew Bynum
F: Kevin Love
F: Blake Griffin
G: Dwayne Wade
G: Chris Paul

All-NBA 3rd
C: Marc Gasol
F: Pau Gasol
F: Josh Smith
G: Russel Westbrook
G: Tony Parker

All-Defensive 1st
C: Serge Ibaka
F: Hoakim Noah
F: LeBron James
G: Andre Iguodala
G: Chris Paul

All-Defensive 2nd
C: Dwight Howard
F: Josh Smith
F: Luol Deng
G: Tony Allen
G: Rajon Rondo

All-Rookie 1st
C: Bismack Biyombo
F: Kenneth Faried
F: Chandler Parsons
G: Klay Thompson
G: Kyrie Irving

All-Rookie 2nd
C: no idea..
F: Derrick Williams
F: Kawhi Leonard
G: Isaiah Thomas
G: Ricky Rubio
__________________

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

DPOY: Serge Ibaka

All-NBA 1st Team
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Derrick Rose

All-NBA 2nd
G: Dwayne Wade
G: Chris Paul

If that doesn't prove your Rose bias/anti-Wade bias, nothing does.

All-NBA 3rd
C: Roy Hibbert

Marc Gasol and Tim Duncan>>>>Roy Hibbert

All-Defensive 1st
C: Serge Ibaka
F: Hoakim Noah

All-Defensive 2nd
C: Dwight Howard

 

[thechosenone]

Yeah I forgot Marc Casol and put Hibbert. You are right in that. In all other picks we should wait to see. That's my opinion. When a player averages near 4 blocks per game and he performs triple double with blocks he is the DPOY for me.

As for the All-NBA 1st Team...How stupid I was to pick the leading scorer and an MVP candidate instead of Wade? huh? I must be on drugs or sth. Who would pick Kobe over Wade? lol (btw Kobe just won one more game in the last possession today)

As for Rose over Paul IMO Rose played enough for taking this place. He is the best player in the PG position by far. He won more games in the last 2 minutes than everyone else in this position. It's strange how people forget so easy. And usually for All NBA first team popularity is a great factor.

 

[Heisenberg]

I'll give my picks later on, but I have a few comments on your picks.

I don't think Rose should be on the All-second team because he has missed too many games. I think Kobe should take his place on the All-second team and Rose should be on the All-third team.

Nikola Pekovic isn't a rookie, so he shouldn't be on the All-Rookie team.

and Avery Bradley plays 18 MPG. I think there are more deserving players that play more than him that should get his spot on the all-D-2nd team.

Good points.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

All-NBA 1st Team
G: Derrick Rose

All-NBA 2nd
G: Chris Paul

As much as I love Derrick Rose, but there is absolutely no way he played better than CP3 this season. Not even talking about team value!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah I forgot Marc Casol and put Hibbert. You are right in that. In all other picks we should wait to see. That's my opinion. When a player averages near 4 blocks per game and he performs triple double with blocks he is the DPOY for me.

Dwight Howard averages 1 block less and 1 steal more than Ibaka with a LOT more defensive rebounds. And the shots he alters and that offenses are too afraid to drive inside to take against him cannot even be accounted for in a stat sheet.

You actually made Noah a F and Ibaka a C to try to justify your terrible pick of Howard on the all-defensive SECOND(!?!?) team. Laughable.

As for the All-NBA 1st Team...How stupid I was to pick the leading scorer and an MVP candidate instead of Wade? huh? I must be on drugs or sth. Who would pick Kobe over Wade? lol (btw Kobe just won one more game in the last possession today)

By the way, Wade has been more clutch than Kobe Bryant for about the last three seasons and has hit more game-winners this season than Kobe has. Wade is shooting a LOT more efficiently than Kobe Bryant as well. You conveniently leave out that Kobe was ZERO-for-his-first-18(!!!!) shots yesterday! And he took as many attempts as Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum (who shot over 50% each) COMBINED! Wade>>OLD non-explosive Kobe.

As for Rose over Paul IMO Rose played enough for taking this place. He is the best player in the PG position by far. He won more games in the last 2 minutes than everyone else in this position. It's strange how people forget so easy. And usually for All NBA first team popularity is a great factor.

-ism at its best. Chris Paul has not only played in MANY more games but has been clutch as hell this season. Statistically, he is superior to Rose is just about every way. You watch basketball through red-and-black lenses. If Rose was on the Clippers and Paul was on the Bulls, you'd be telling me the exact opposite.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

paul isnt as good as he was in 07-08(imo) but he's showing that he really hasnt declined much at all

put him on 1st at this point

 

[thechosenone]

Dwight Howard averages 1 block less and 1 steal more than Ibaka with a LOT more defensive rebounds. And the shots he alters and that offenses are too afraid to drive inside to take against him cannot even be accounted for in a stat sheet.

You actually made Noah a F and Ibaka a C to try to justify your terrible pick of Howard on the all-defensive SECOND(!?!?) team. Laughable.



By the way, Wade has been more clutch than Kobe Bryant for about the last three seasons and has hit more game-winners this season than Kobe has. Wade is shooting a LOT more efficiently than Kobe Bryant as well. You conveniently leave out that Kobe was ZERO-for-his-first-18(!!!!) shots yesterday! And he took as many attempts as Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum (who shot over 50% each) COMBINED! Wade>>OLD non-explosive Kobe.



-ism at its best. Chris Paul has not only played in MANY more games but has been clutch as hell this season. Statistically, he is superior to Rose is just about every way. You watch basketball through red-and-black lenses. If Rose was on the Clippers and Paul was on the Bulls, you'd be telling me the exact opposite.

The Kobe vs Wade part is really funny. There is no way in hell that Wade will be in the all NBA first team instead of Kobe this year. It's science fiction and even a Heat fan would agree. As for the Paul vs Rose before his recent injury Rose was an MVP candidate. OK Paul had 2-3 good games in this period of time Rose is out. But again nothing near Rose's performances. He has so many clutch performances this year that people started consider him the best closer in the NBA. So if you want to forget it it's not my problem. Noah listed as a PF last year and he was in the second all defensive team. As for Ibaka when a player makes 8 and 11 blocks in a game tell me if the offenses are not afraid to drive inside. Howard has better skills but Ibaka is better than him this year IMO. Actually there are many players better than Howard this year. If Ibaka doesn't get it then LeBron will get it.Or Iggy.Or Noah.Or Deng.

PS. If Paul was in a Bulls uniform and Rose in a Clippers uniform the Bulls wouldn't be a championship caliber team so yes again I would say the same. The difference would be that YOU would say that Rose is better than Paul. Paul is kind of the best pure PG in the game but if Rose was a pure PG and not the guy he is then the Bulls would be VERY FAR from an ECF or a NBA Final or a championship. Bulls record without Rose is what? 13-5? Pretty good with Rose out. But with Rose out. With Rose in it would be crap. And they almost lose how many games of the games they won? With Rose the record is 29-6. Not a big difference huh?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7Az5ktaBY[/ame]

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Kobe vs Wade part is really funny. There is no way in hell that Wade will be in the all NBA first team instead of Kobe this year. It's science fiction and even a Heat fan would agree. As for the Paul vs Rose before his recent injury Rose was an MVP candidate. OK Paul had 2-3 good games in this period of time Rose is out. But again nothing near Rose's performances. He has so many clutch performances this year that people started consider him the best closer in the NBA. So if you want to forget it it's not my problem. Noah listed as a PF last year and he was in the second all defensive team. As for Ibaka when a player makes 8 and 11 blocks in a game tell me if the offenses are not afraid to drive inside. Howard has better skills but Ibaka is better than him this year IMO. Actually there are many players better than Howard this year. If Ibaka doesn't get it then LeBron will get it.Or Iggy.Or Noah.Or Deng.

PS. If Paul was in a Bulls uniform and Rose in a Clippers uniform the Bulls wouldn't be a championship caliber team so yes again I would say the same. The difference would be that YOU would say that Rose is better than Paul. Paul is kind of the best pure PG in the game but if Rose was a pure PG and not the guy he is then the Bulls would be VERY FAR from an ECF or a NBA Final or a championship. Bulls record without Rose is what? 13-5? Pretty good with Rose out. But with Rose out. With Rose in it would be crap. And they almost lose how many games of the games they won? With Rose the record is 29-6. Not a big difference huh?

Derrick Rose highlights vs clippers 29 points, 16 assists, 8 rebounds - YouTube

This entire rant was idiotic. Wade>Old Kobe who can barely drive to the basket anymore. Wade>Kobe on offense AND defense.

And LOL at you saying that the Bulls would not be a championship caliber team with Chris Paul in Rose's place. That is one of the most idiotic things ever said.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

As for Ibaka when a player makes 8 and 11 blocks in a game tell me if the offenses are not afraid to drive inside. Howard has better skills but Ibaka is better than him this year IMO. Actually there are many players better than Howard this year. If Ibaka doesn't get it then LeBron will get it.Or Iggy.Or Noah.Or Deng.

Actually this was the most idiotic thing ever said by any human in recorded history.

Every last word was moronic.

Offensive players are TERRIFIED of Ibaka. That must be why he gets opportunities to record those 8 block games. It's not like Howard has ever done that before.

LOL at this statement: "Actually there are many players better than Howard this year. If Ibaka doesn't get it then LeBron will get it.Or Iggy.Or Noah.Or Deng."

to the max.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Magic = BETTER defensive team than the Thunder. And this is despite:

Defenders surrounding Ibaka:
-Sefolosha (great)
-Perkins (very good, solid)
-Harden (very good, solid)
-Durant (solid)
-Westbrook (decent)

Defenders surrounding Howard:
-Turkoglu (awful)
-Anderson (below average and undersized)
-Richardson (below average)
-Redick (rich man's Korver on defense)
-Nelson (half-way solid)
-Duhon (very good)
-Davis (slow but halfway solid)

 

[thechosenone]

Defenders surrounding Ibaka:
-Sefolosha (lol)
-Perkins (lol)
-Harden (lol)
-Durant (lol)
-Westbrook (LOL WUT????? The guy doesn't know what defense is)

PS. I don't care what Howard did earlier in his career. The award is for 2012 performance.

 

[houheffna]

Defenders surrounding Ibaka:
-Sefolosha (lol)
-Perkins (lol)
-Harden (lol)
-Durant (lol)
-Westbrook (LOL WUT????? The guy doesn't know what defense is)

You are wrong across the board...Durant has improved and Westbrook isn't as bad as you make him out to be.

Perkins and Sefolosha are in the league because of their defense. I really don't know what you are laughing at here...

 

[thechosenone]

You are wrong across the board...Durant has improved and Westbrook isn't as bad as you make him out to be.

Perkins and Sefolosha are in the league because of their defense. I really don't know what you are laughing at here...

Then why they have one of the worst defenses in the league? I found this kind of analysis of westbrook's game. Please watch this. That was the best I could find.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_CeUzud_g]Spurs @ Thunder: Why Russell Westbrook Is Not A Point Guard - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Then why they have one of the worst defenses in the league? I found this kind of analysis of westbrook's game. Please watch this. That was the best I could find.

Spurs @ Thunder: Why Russell Westbrook Is Not A Point Guard - YouTube

Thank God you found that footage of a high school basketball coach (the same clown who said Bill Walton is the GOAT center) breaking down a ONE GAME sample-size of Westbrook defending against one of the BEST offenses in the league.

My whole world has been turned upside down.

 

[houheffna]

Then why they have one of the worst defenses in the league? I found this kind of analysis of westbrook's game. Please watch this. That was the best I could find.

Spurs @ Thunder: Why Russell Westbrook Is Not A Point Guard - YouTube

Perkins and Sefolosha were key member of great defenses in the past though, and neither is past their prime.