2014: Two 1st Round Picks + Cap Room

[Bear Pride]

I think when we get into the end of January, teams who're hanging on by a thread will offer up something a bit more substantial. Deng's deal is expiring and he would be a difference-maker on a team that's sitting on the doorstep of a playoff berth.

This is the way things will go down if they do, imo. First off, the Bulls are not ready to give up on the season like the so called Bulls fans are. Then, some playoff bound team would really have to overpay or offer up something good for the Bulls to make the move. The Bulls record will dictate this as well by the trade deadline, as Snell's progress could as well.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

This is the way things will go down if they do, imo. First off, the Bulls are not ready to give up on the season like the so called Bulls fans are. Then, some playoff bound team would really have to overpay or offer up something good for the Bulls to make the move. The Bulls record will dictate this as well by the trade deadline, as Snell's progress could as well.

I believe that we are all Bulls fans. Hell, we all participate with fake names on a Bulls message board....LOL.

That being said, some posters (myself included) simply feel that now is the perfect opportunity to "re-boot" the team. There is a less than 1% chance that we're winning a championship this season, so there's no reason to even get worked up about the season. Sure, watching the development of Butler & Snell is somewhat exciting, but I don't enjoy early playoff exits. The goal every season should be a championship (except when your franchise player is out for the season), which is why some of us have criticized GarPax for not adding a #2 consistent scorer to this team. Since Thibs has been here, we've never had a #2 scorer that struck fear into opposing coaches. Everything was always on Rose's back....or Nate's back during last season's playoffs.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with tanking this season for a chance at a top 3 pick in this draft. We supposedly didn't have a chance to snatch Derrick a few seasons ago, but our 1.7% chance worked out pretty well back then. Who's to say that it won't happen again?

Even if we don't get in the top 3, we would get something for Deng's departure this season.......and maybe even something for Boozer. Those are two heavy contracts that puts us in the bidding for Love or LMA the following off-season. A team of Rose, Butler, Love is a helluva lot more attractive than a team of Rose, Deng, & Boozer. Not to mention Noah, the lottery pick (if we tank) from this draft & Mirotic coming over.

We would be positioned better moving forward, IMHO.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

This is the way things will go down if they do, imo. First off, the Bulls are not ready to give up on the season like the so called Bulls fans are. Then, some playoff bound team would really have to overpay or offer up something good for the Bulls to make the move. The Bulls record will dictate this as well by the trade deadline, as Snell's progress could as well.

When you say dictate, do you mean by the quality our players display on the court in regards to there trade value?

 

[scottiepippen1994]

The franchise can keep going the route of having a team that rely on 1 star who can consistently create shots to score and not seriously contend for a title.......Or they can figure out some kind of package to use in a trade to bring in a real scorer....The Bulls also have Mitotic that another team would have interest in......That's not a bad chip to have in your back pocket to wheel and deal......The Bulls don't have to tank to make a move.........Trust me, Noone will be pleased watching the Bulls tank and rebuild.....If you saw the Tim floyd and Cartwright years, you would understand....It's no fun watching your team get embaressed being the joke of the league every game, and setting league records scoring 40 somthing points in some games........

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

The franchise can keep going the route of having a team that rely on 1 star who can consistently create shots to score and not seriously contend for a title.......Or they can figure out some kind of package to use in a trade to bring in a real scorer....The Bulls also have Mitotic that another team would have interest in......That's not a bad chip to have in your back pocket to wheel and deal......The Bulls don't have to tank to make a move.........Trust me, Noone will be pleased watching the Bulls tank and rebuild

The beauty of the tank is that it speeds up the process of bringing in a 2nd star. We either:

-get lucky with a top 3 lottery pick (instantly adding a franchise player)

-sign Love or LMA next off-season (Boozer's contract ends when their's end)

-trade for Love or LMA before next season's trade deadline for Boozer (Boozer's expiring contract needed to match the salaries), Mirotic, our 2014 draft pick (if we don't get a top 3, it would still be a good player at #4 - #12), & future pick

I don't see Love or LMA staying with their small market teams. I actually see them both being moved during next season, which will allow their respective teams a chance to recoup assets. It's the same reason why the Bulls HAVE to trade Deng soon.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

The beauty of the tank is that it speeds up the process of bringing in a 2nd star. We either:

-get lucky with a top 3 lottery pick (instantly adding a franchise player)

Tanking doesn't garentee a franchise player......It didn't speed up the process in 1999, LOL
In fact the process is still going on........As it is 2013 and we still haven't had a franchise player other than Rose through the draft, and even he didn't work out..........

After 15 year, I'm still waiting for a gamechanging significant trade or signing to bring an already "proven" NBA star here......
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[ChiSoxCity]

Some people just have a hard time dealing with change, even when they know it needs to happen.

 

[Bear Pride]

I believe that we are all Bulls fans. Hell, we all participate with fake names on a Bulls message board....LOL.

That being said, some posters (myself included) simply feel that now is the perfect opportunity to "re-boot" the team. There is a less than 1% chance that we're winning a championship this season, so there's no reason to even get worked up about the season. Sure, watching the development of Butler & Snell is somewhat exciting, but I don't enjoy early playoff exits. The goal every season should be a championship (except when your franchise player is out for the season), which is why some of us have criticized GarPax for not adding a #2 consistent scorer to this team. Since Thibs has been here, we've never had a #2 scorer that struck fear into opposing coaches. Everything was always on Rose's back....or Nate's back during last season's playoffs.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with tanking this season for a chance at a top 3 pick in this draft. We supposedly didn't have a chance to snatch Derrick a few seasons ago, but our 1.7% chance worked out pretty well back then. Who's to say that it won't happen again?

Even if we don't get in the top 3, we would get something for Deng's departure this season.......and maybe even something for Boozer. Those are two heavy contracts that puts us in the bidding for Love or LMA the following off-season. A team of Rose, Butler, Love is a helluva lot more attractive than a team of Rose, Deng, & Boozer. Not to mention Noah, the lottery pick (if we tank) from this draft & Mirotic coming over.

We would be positioned better moving forward, IMHO.

With all due respect, there's a big difference between a 're-boot' and and full out 'rebuild'. The difference between fans and players is that players don't tank. Tanking is for pussies. It should never be brought up in front of players at all.

The Bulls did pretty well last year, and without Deng and Kirk in the end, who would have made a difference. Good enough without Rose? Maybe not, but close enough to NOT tank!

Rose's injury made a Deng trade real prior to the trade deadline, but that's not until Feb. A lot can happen by then. My reference was to the fans that want to trade away our great pieces for nothing, as usual.

 

[RoseMVP1]

I don't see what the problem is with tanking in basketball. In the NBA you win with superstars almost every time, the only exception that I can think of to that would be the 04 Pistons and Seattle's lone championship. You can be stuck in mediocrity like the Atlanta Hawks and never really get anywhere or you can attempt to suck and get a player that can actually take you all the way. I know I don't like mediocrity.

 

[PolarBear]

Deng has to be traded. Send him to Charlotte for Ben Gordon (expiring) and the rights to Portland's 1st round pick (looking like it's going to be a late pick with the way Portland is playing).

Amnesty Boozer.

All of a sudden, we have 3 first round picks and Mirotic (probably get the MLE coming in to the league) coming in with 11 million dollars in cap space next off-season. I don't see us being able to land Lebron and Melo or any other star with that kind of money...So I think we may be stuck hoping for the development of one of our draft picks. I could see us bringing in some type of package of players like Nick Young, Trevor Ariza, Jordan Hill, Jamal Crawford or Chris Kaman. I could see a line up looking like this...

PG - Rose, Teague, Olivier Hanlan
SG - Jimmy Butler, Glenn Robinson III, Snell
SF - Trevor Ariza, Dunleavy, Tony Snell
PF - Gibson, Mirotic, Andreain Payne
C - Joakim Noah, Chris Kaman, Andreian Payne

Now that team isn't going to win you championships right away but the youth and potential of that team is awesome and something to be excited about. You guys can check out those prospects.

The Bulls don't have that ability to bring in a proven star...the cash and the availability of one just isn't there...Add up teh salaries. We need to go all in on this deep draft pool and start developing young talent.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I'm not saying Tanking isn't an option, but i am saying that tanking isn't the only option in bringing in star players........
There is a such thing as making trades or signing free agents......Other teams do it all the time, lol......
The front office needs some creativity.....

AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T A PLAYER ON THE BULLS I WOULD NOT SHOP, ROSE INCLUDED.....

Everyone here keeps preaching about getting money off the books...What about Derricks 80 plus million dollars the Bulls will have to fork out while Rose sits in the private booth watching Bulls games with his friends while eating gummy bears?
I suggested trading him last year when his value was still high for anyone willing to take the risk, and someone would of.........but now after injuring himself again, I can't imagine anyone taking on his contract, except maybe Michael Jordan, LoL.....


If the Bulls can AMNOSTY Boozer, is there a possibility that Rose can be amnostied?
I really don't know the answer to that question....does anyone know?...I would appreciate the answer......thanks guys.

P.S, the Bulls also have another pretty good trade piece in there back pocket....Miritoc(even though unproven in the N.B.A) may draw interest as a trade piece to other teams between now and the trade deadline....Could be a good piece in a package deal if the rights to him are shopped....Mitotic may not be proven in the NBA, but he sure is kicking ass over seas......I have a feeling he also could at the very least have a Toni Kucoc impact if we keep him...Either way, he brings value if we need him as part of a trade at the very least.....

 

[RoseMVP1]

P.S, the Bulls also have another pretty good trade piece in there back pocket....Miritoc(even though unproven in the N.B.A) may draw interest as a trade piece to other teams between now and the trade deadline....Could be a good piece in a package deal if the rights to him are shopped....Mitotic may not be proven in the NBA, but he sure is kicking ass over seas......I have a feeling he also could at the very least have a Toni Kucoc impact if we keep him...Either way, he brings value if we need him as part of a trade at the very least.....

I'm a little hesitant to trade him unless it would be to acquire a star player. Hopefully he comes over next year so we can see what he can do, for all we know he might be the missing piece. Right now he's leaps and bounds better than anyone in the European league so hopefully that can translate over to the NBA nicely.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I'm a little hesitant to trade him unless it would be to acquire a star player. Hopefully he comes over next year so we can see what he can do, for all we know he might be the missing piece.

That's what I'm saying.........To use him as a trade piece for a star player....

P.s, on my last post my keyboard went haywire, so I edited my mispellings.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

With all due respect, there's a big difference between a 're-boot' and and full out 'rebuild'. The difference between fans and players is that players don't tank. Tanking is for pussies. It should never be brought up in front of players at all.

The Bulls did pretty well last year, and without Deng and Kirk in the end, who would have made a difference. Good enough without Rose? Maybe not, but close enough to NOT tank!

Rose's injury made a Deng trade real prior to the trade deadline, but that's not until Feb. A lot can happen by then. My reference was to the fans that want to trade away our great pieces for nothing, as usual.

That's a fair viewpoint, Bear Pride.

I may not completely agree, but

 

[Axl Rose]

My reference was to the fans that want to trade away our great pieces for nothing, as usual.

trade great pieces for nothing?

nah i think ppl actually want to trade what we have while we can still get something of value instead of standing pat and end up getting nothing

 

[Bear Pride]

trade great pieces for nothing?

nah i think ppl actually want to trade what we have while we can still get something of value

Value being the key word here. Trading away Noah for a mid to late 1st is NOT value, imo. Deng is obviously the best thing we can trade now, and as I said, DRose's injury makes this very posable, but not unless we actually get something for him.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

:clap:

 

[Axl Rose]

Value being the key word here. Trading away Noah for a mid to late 1st is NOT value, imo. Deng is obviously the best thing we can trade now, and as I said, DRose's injury makes this very posable, but not unless we actually get something for him.

well i wouldn't trade noah for a mid-late first we could get something better than that but im not opposed to trading him

as far as deng it depends...if we cant him at a reasonable price a mid round pick is better than nothing

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Deng has to be traded. Send him to Charlotte for Ben Gordon (expiring) and the rights to Portland's 1st round pick (looking like it's going to be a late pick with the way Portland is playing).

Amnesty Boozer.

All of a sudden, we have 3 first round picks and Mirotic (probably get the MLE coming in to the league) coming in with 11 million dollars in cap space next off-season. I don't see us being able to land Lebron and Melo or any other star with that kind of money...So I think we may be stuck hoping for the development of one of our draft picks. I could see us bringing in some type of package of players like Nick Young, Trevor Ariza, Jordan Hill, Jamal Crawford or Chris Kaman. I could see a line up looking like this...

PG - Rose, Teague, Olivier Hanlan
SG - Jimmy Butler, Glenn Robinson III, Snell
SF - Trevor Ariza, Dunleavy, Tony Snell
PF - Gibson, Mirotic, Andreain Payne
C - Joakim Noah, Chris Kaman, Andreian Payne

Now that team isn't going to win you championships right away but the youth and potential of that team is awesome and something to be excited about. You guys can check out those prospects.

The Bulls don't have that ability to bring in a proven star...the cash and the availability of one just isn't there...Add up teh salaries. We need to go all in on this deep draft pool and start developing young talent.

The Bulls can free up money via trades, so money is not a problem if you're willing to break this team up.
Their priority should be bringing Kevin Love to Chicago and building the team around him. Deng, Noah, Boozer, Taj and Dunleavy are out. Rose should be retained, along with Butler, Snell and Kirk.

 

[JosMin]

The Bulls can free up money via trades, so money is not a problem if you're willing to break this team up.
Their priority should be bringing Kevin Love to Chicago and building the team around him. Deng, Noah, Boozer, Taj and Dunleavy are out. Rose should be retained, along with Butler, Snell and Kirk.

Keving Love isn't coming to Chicago.