2015 Cubs Offseason Discussion

[brett05]

You're correct. They will have a lot of players coming up for big paydays at some point down the road. Why accelerate that for three weeks? It's easy to say it is to better contend in 2015, but they aren't trying to turn this into a 5 year window. They want sustained success. They don't need to be in a situation where they have to blow things up in 2020 or whenever.

Then again, they'll have the TV $ by then. But the only people who say the Cubs should piss away a year of an experience Bryant for three weeks of raw rookie are the ones who desperately want to find something negative.

Or can talk baseball intelligently on how to win and sustain. But that thought never crossed your mind did it?

 

[TL1961]

Or can talk baseball intelligently on how to win and sustain. But that thought never crossed your mind did it?

How can you simultaneously scream that prospects don't all pan out, and you can't expect great things, mock Bill James projection of Bryant getting 75 RBI, and also project that the difference between Bryant and Valbuena, for instance, for THREE WEEKS, will make or break the season?

You are contradicting yourself all over the place.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

How can you simultaneously scream that prospects don't all pan out, and you can't expect great things, mock Bill James projection of Bryant getting 75 RBI, and also project that the difference between Bryant and Valbuena, for instance, for THREE WEEKS, will make or break the season?

You are contradicting yourself all over the place.

If you haven't been posting on this board for awhile.. that's all he does.

 

[TL1961]

I don't know whether or not it's likely I'm just not a big Montero guy. I view him more as a platoon player with Castillo or even a back up rather than an everyday starter. The cubs would be paying $40 mil over 3 years for someone who's put up 2.1 fWAR over the past two seasons. As a comparison Kurt Suzuki got a 1 year deal last year for $2.75 mil. He put up 2 fWAR. I just don't see Montero's appeal if you're not only giving up anything even if it's basically nothing but also paying all of the money too. For example, is anyone besides the cubs openly in on Montero? On the open market he'd be worth maybe $7-8 mil tops.

I agree that he wouldn't be getting 13 per on the open market. But that's not the point, as there aren't similar options on the open market. He's no Yadi behind the plate, or Piazza at the plate. But if getting him was part of the Lester push, or just to platoon next year, it can be a plus. Montero against RH and Castillo vs. LH "should" result in better offense. But I am not expecting major major upgrade.

 

[TL1961]

If you haven't been posting on this board for awhile.. that's all he does.

I know. I know. If the Cubs were to win a WS, he'll criticize the parade route.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

How can you simultaneously scream that prospects don't all pan out, and you can't expect great things, mock Bill James projection of Bryant getting 75 RBI, and also project that the difference between Bryant and Valbuena, for instance, for THREE WEEKS, will make or break the season?

You are contradicting yourself all over the place.

I know. I know. If the Cubs were to win a WS, he'll criticize the parade route.

One of the reasons why I lurk and laugh.

 

[Parade_Rain]

One of the reasons why I lurk and laugh.

It's hard to consider a poster with over 7800 posts as a lurker.

 

[brett05]

How can you simultaneously scream that prospects don't all pan out,

While it is true, I don't think I have ever said that prospects don't all pan out.

and you can't expect great things, mock Bill James projection of Bryant getting 75 RBI, and also project that the difference between Bryant and Valbuena, for instance,

I have never mentioned the projections of Bill James for anyone let alone Bryant or Valbuena. You clearly misread something or are attributing things to me wrongly.

for THREE WEEKS, will make or break the season?

Can't win a season first three weeks. You can lose one though. See 1988 Orioles
You are contradicting yourself all over the place.[/QUOTE]

 

[brett05]

If you haven't been posting on this board for awhile.. that's all he does.

TL1961 posts all the time, it is you that has been quiet of late. And again you are contributing to the mis-assignment of information to me.

 

[brett05]

It's hard to consider a poster with over 7800 posts as a lurker.

Not when most of them came outside of the last 4-6 months.

 

[TL1961]

We'd all love to see Kris Bryant on opening day if contractual concerns didn't exist.

But they do.

If they lose him a year early in FA, looking back at his first three weeks as a rookie on a team considered not quite ready to contend, would you then be saying it was a smart move? Of course not.

I am not saying there is no chance he is up. But with Boras as his agent, who doesn't allow his clients to extend, it is unlikely.

 

[brett05]

We'd all love to see Kris Bryant on opening day if contractual concerns didn't exist.

But they do.

If they lose him a year early in FA, looking back at his first three weeks as a rookie on a team considered not quite ready to contend, would you then be saying it was a smart move? Of course not.

I am not saying there is no chance he is up. But with Boras as his agent, who doesn't allow his clients to extend, it is unlikely.

Given that Boras does not ever make the decision and that many of his high end clients do go and given that if you feel Bryant bolts one year early he is bolting anyways regardless of the extra year.

He needs to be up now.

 

[TL1961]

Given that Boras does not ever make the decision and that many of his high end clients do go and given that if you feel Bryant bolts one year early he is bolting anyways regardless of the extra year.

He needs to be up now.

If he's going to leave, allow him to leave a year earlier?

Glad you're not a GM.

 

[JZsportsfan]

Kris Bryant will hit the show on April 16

 

[Parade_Rain]

We'd all love to see Kris Bryant on opening day if contractual concerns didn't exist.

But they do.

If they lose him a year early in FA, looking back at his first three weeks as a rookie on a team considered not quite ready to contend, would you then be saying it was a smart move? Of course not.

I am not saying there is no chance he is up. But with Boras as his agent, who doesn't allow his clients to extend, it is unlikely.

Boras doesn't allow his clients to extend? Boras works for his clients, not the other way around. Bora's does what his clients allow.

 

[brett05]

If he's going to leave, allow him to leave a year earlier?

Glad you're not a GM.

You just don't get it. It's ok. For your sake if he isn't up right away I hope the Cubs don't miss the 2015 playoffs by a few games.

 

[TL1961]

Boras doesn't allow his clients to extend? Boras works for his clients, not the other way around. Bora's does what his clients allow.

That's adorable.

 

[TL1961]

You just don't get it. It's ok. For your sake if he isn't up right away I hope the Cubs don't miss the 2015 playoffs by a few games.

You've tried a dozen times on here to explain that losing him a year early for the sake of a few weeks makes sense financially. It doesn't.

That doesn't mean they won't start him opening day, and figure they're going for it. But losing a year of cost control on a guy who figures to be making seriously big bucks when he becomes eligible, simply doesn't make sense money wise.

If I don't get it, then neither do 100% of baseball execs.

 

[Parade_Rain]

That's adorable.

I'd reconsider my post, if I were you. You made a claim that Boras doesn't allow certain things. That's not the way client/agent relationships work.

 

[brett05]

You've tried a dozen times on here to explain that losing him a year early for the sake of a few weeks makes sense financially. It doesn't.

That doesn't mean they won't start him opening day, and figure they're going for it. But losing a year of cost control on a guy who figures to be making seriously big bucks when he becomes eligible, simply doesn't make sense money wise.

If I don't get it, then neither do 100% of baseball execs.

Given that many execs don't worry about a year that is what...six years away? You are wrong on your hyperbole