2016 Cubs could be one of the best team ever

[cubsmann]

I posted something similar to this in July and was flamed and told "This isn't the 1927 Yankees" but do you really think any team could beat this Cubs team in a 7 game series? Especially now that everyone is hitting up to their ability. You look at the pitching, defense, hitting and this team does it all. Now that they've finally won a pennant maybe we should bring this back up. Thoughts? They have power, hit for average, get on base all the time and drive in runs.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

This a great team but I'm not sure why we have to proclaim them thus and such before they've even won a single WS. The Indians are no pushover and could win the series. Just slow down is all.

 

[Omeletpants]

-1927 Yankees top 5 batters averaged .350 for the season, while the Cubs are around .280.
-1927 Yankees top 5 batters averaged 120 RBI while the Cubs averaged 88
-1927 Yankees top 4 pitchers averaged 18 wins while the Cubs averaged 16
-1927 Yankees top 8 players has 86 stolen bases while the Cubs had 58
-Top OPS for Yankees was Babe Ruth at 1.258, while top OPS for Cubs was Bryant at .934

And this doesn't even consider that many analaysts feel the 1929 Athletics and 1939 Yankees were both better than the 1927 Yankees. Quit trying to make up shit for a team that has never won a world series

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Is cubsman actually DewSox trying to make Cubs fans look stupid or something? I feel like there's some joke I'm not in on.

 

[fatbeard]

Strange, at one point I recall being informed that the 2016 Cubs were the worst team in the league and would never win a playoff series.

 

[beckdawg]

Strange, at one point I recall being informed that the 2016 Cubs were the worst team in the league and would never win a playoff series.

You forgot overhyped.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

-1927 Yankees top 5 batters averaged .350 for the season, while the Cubs are around .280.
-1927 Yankees top 5 batters averaged 120 RBI while the Cubs averaged 88
-1927 Yankees top 4 pitchers averaged 18 wins while the Cubs averaged 16
-1927 Yankees top 8 players has 86 stolen bases while the Cubs had 58
-Top OPS for Yankees was Babe Ruth at 1.258, while top OPS for Cubs was Bryant at .934

And this doesn't even consider that many analaysts feel the 1929 Athletics and 1939 Yankees were both better than the 1927 Yankees. Quit trying to make up shit for a team that has never won a world series

Good work from a dicklicker that said the Cubs would never make the World Series and got fat off of playing the worst teams / Reds, Padres and Braves.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I posted something similar to this in July and was flamed and told "This isn't the 1927 Yankees" but do you really think any team could beat this Cubs team in a 7 game series? Especially now that everyone is hitting up to their ability. You look at the pitching, defense, hitting and this team does it all. Now that they've finally won a pennant maybe we should bring this back up. Thoughts? They have power, hit for average, get on base all the time and drive in runs.

Your keyboard suffers from diarrhea. Can we let the Cubs win the WS before declaring no team could beat them in a 7 game series.

 

[wklink]

Well, he said one of, not the best.

But lets win the World Series and then we can start talking about how this team stacks up against other all time teams.

 

[Diehardfan]

Your keyboard suffers from diarrhea. Can we let the Cubs win the WS before declaring no team could beat them in a 7 game series.

Regardless of what he claims, he is a kid. Adults simply don't talk like he does....I put him on ignore a long time ago just for that reason.

Although, I do like the way he gets under Eggplant's skin....I periodically unblock him for that sometimes.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I don't think its wrong at the possible beginning of a dynasty to speculate about it.

But they haven't beaten a great team in the playoffs yet. Not one. And unfortunately they aren't getting that opportunity now either with a broken Indians team hurting badly for starting pitching. The Indians could be a great team next year if things went well for them.

The Giants are a shadow of what used to be greatness. Broken bullpen, Bumgarner declined velocity, little protection for Posey. They aren't what they were, which would have been formiddable to these Cubs.

Dodgers are close but have management issues, and huge problems against the Cubs lefties. Tough matchup. They have Sandy Cofax, and some pop, but that wasn't a great team.

In the coming years these Cubs will have opportunities to be all time greats. Enjoy.

Beating Cole and that Pirates team a year ago in the wild card, and obviously taking out kershaw in NLCS are two impressive wins though. Taking out the fading Cardinals was big for them emotionally to lay demons down, but also not a great team anymore.

 

[Omeletpants]

-1927 Yankees top 5 batters averaged .350 for the season, while the Cubs are around .280.
-1927 Yankees top 5 batters averaged 120 RBI while the Cubs averaged 88
-1927 Yankees top 4 pitchers averaged 18 wins while the Cubs averaged 16
-1927 Yankees top 8 players has 86 stolen bases while the Cubs had 58
-Top OPS for Yankees was Babe Ruth at 1.258, while top OPS for Cubs was Bryant at .934

And this doesn't even consider that many analaysts feel the 1929 Athletics and 1939 Yankees were both better than the 1927 Yankees. Quit trying to make up shit for a team that has never won a world series

Cubsmann the idiot boy, what you got to say to this?

 

[anotheridiot]

Just thinking that 2 out of the last 22 best record (teams) have not won the world series, theres another curse to break.

 

[DanTown]

Cubsmann the idiot boy, what you got to say to this?

You don't compare teams from massively different generations by comparing counting stats (i.e BA, RBI, wins, etc). If you want to compare the two teams and their prospective values, I'd compare the hitters this way

Top 5 OPS+ (which weights your OPS to the rest of the league + ballparks you play in)
27 Yankees Top 5
1. Ruth - 225
2. Gehrig - 220
3. Combs - 141
4. Meusel - 135
5. Lazzeri - 125

16 Cubs top 5
1. Bryant - 149
2. Rizzo - 146
3. Fowler - 127
4. Zobrist - 126
5. Russell - 97

Pythagorean Win Expectations
27 Yankees: 109-45 (adjusted to 114.6 in 162 games)
16 Cubs: 107-54

Clearly the Yankees are better with more depth but it has nothing to do with the stats you posted.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I think the point someone made in another thread about there being only 8 teams is everything. These Cubs would obviously wipe the floor with the 27 Yankees. Ruth, Gehrig, Meusel be damned. Sure those guys could play in any era, but they couldn't hit .350 in any era. Please. Better athletes, faster, stronger, better trained from childhood can't hit .350.

If you face the same pitchers (and 9 innings a game often times) every 4 or 5 days, all season and then face them in the playoffs, and there are only 35 pitchers to learn....just imagine what Rizzo would do with the chance to know 35 pitchers. In his case the diffusion might work against the pitchers because he is a unique at bat, but a guy like Manny Ramiriz would have hit .450 if he saw the same 30 pitchers all year.

I'm no longer that impressed by the old numbers knowing that. Look at what we did to Kershaw, one of the best ever after getting practice swings on him 5 days earlier.

The game has evolved and gotten better, more perfected.

 

[Omeletpants]

I think the point someone made in another thread about there being only 8 teams is everything. These Cubs would obviously wipe the floor with the 27 Yankees. Ruth, Gehrig, Meusel be damned. Sure those guys could play in any era, but they couldn't hit .350 in any era. Please. Better athletes, faster, stronger, better trained from childhood can't hit .350.

If you face the same pitchers (and 9 innings a game often times) every 4 or 5 days, all season and then face them in the playoffs, and there are only 35 pitchers to learn....just imagine what Rizzo would do with the chance to know 35 pitchers. In his case the diffusion might work against the pitchers because he is a unique at bat, but a guy like Manny Ramiriz would have hit .450 if he saw the same 30 pitchers all year.

I'm no longer that impressed by the old numbers knowing that. Look at what we did to Kershaw, one of the best ever after getting practice swings on him 5 days earlier.

The game has evolved and gotten better, more perfected.

You miss the entire point of comparing player of different eras. The benchmark is how they dominated THEIR COMPETITION in THEIR TIME. That then negates the differences in training, air travel, nutrition, genetics, etc. Not only did the 27 Yankees exceed the Cubs stats but they outshone their competition in their day

 

[CSF77]

Why does this thread exist?

 

[Diehardfan]

Why does this thread exist?

So Eggplants can mock Cubsmann-boy....much the same way others make fun of Eggplants.

 

[Omeletpants]

So Eggplants can mock Cubsmann-boy....much the same way others make fun of Eggplants.

The people that mock me are dicklickers. That's the difference

 

[Midwaymonster75]

I posted something similar to this in July and was flamed and told "This isn't the 1927 Yankees" but do you really think any team could beat this Cubs team in a 7 game series? Especially now that everyone is hitting up to their ability. You look at the pitching, defense, hitting and this team does it all. Now that they've finally won a pennant maybe we should bring this back up. Thoughts? They have power, hit for average, get on base all the time and drive in runs.

Are you forgetting this is pretty much the same team that got swept by the mets last season?