2025 Bulls Offseason Discussion Thread

[knoxville7]

It's an intriguing thought for sure. It is very likely Bucks opt to blow it up given how the last few years have gone. I doubt Giannis wants to waste another year on his own window.

The somewhat awkward thing for the Bulls is that Giannis is 30 already, so the Bulls would need to do a very quick pivot to win now (again) to maximize Giannis's window. AK has shown that he can attempt to do that, but there's just a lot of holes to fill on this team to make it a true contender even if they were to somehow land Giannis.

There's also the question of if what the Bulls have to give up is enticing enough to Milwaukee...I'm sure they'll want as much draft capital as they can, especially since they own none of their picks for the near future. Even if we were to give them every young talent on this team except Giddey let's say, is it enough to entice?

is it enough to entice comes down to what other teams can offer

if Giannis tells the bucks he no longer wants to be there, we have seen that the players have the power and leverage in those situations. it could become a situation where the best "bid" for him wins kinda thing.

id imagine any deal would be centered around coby white would be what the bulls could offer.

something like coby, collins, ayo, and jevon carter plus draft picks for Giannis would be about the best the bulls could do

they would still have a lineup of

Vuc
Giannis
Buzelis
Huerter
Giddey

with bench guys like PWill, lonzo, tre jones, and dalen terry

still not a championship roster, but i could see that roster being competitive and maybe a piece away from really being a true contender

giannis just makes everyone elses job so much easier

 

[Enasic]

Probably would have to include Matas I would imagine

 

[clonetrooper264]

is it enough to entice comes down to what other teams can offer

if Giannis tells the bucks he no longer wants to be there, we have seen that the players have the power and leverage in those situations. it could become a situation where the best "bid" for him wins kinda thing.

id imagine any deal would be centered around coby white would be what the bulls could offer.

something like coby, collins, ayo, and jevon carter plus draft picks for Giannis would be about the best the bulls could do

they would still have a lineup of

Vuc
Giannis
Buzelis
Huerter
Giddey

with bench guys like PWill, lonzo, tre jones, and dalen terry

still not a championship roster, but i could see that roster being competitive and maybe a piece away from really being a true contender

giannis just makes everyone elses job so much easier

Bulls could pretty much offer up every young asset they have and even then I'm not sure if that necessarily beats the field. Of course, kind of hard to say what the field is. Imo Coby and salary filler isn't gonna cut it, even with picks attached, though that would leave the Bulls with the best possible remaining roster to work with. That'd be a Danny Ainge level trade though, we cannot assume that level of competency from AK, unless he's on the wrong side of it

 

[knoxville7]

Bulls could pretty much offer up every young asset they have and even then I'm not sure if that necessarily beats the field. Of course, kind of hard to say what the field is. Imo Coby and salary filler isn't gonna cut it, even with picks attached, though that would leave the Bulls with the best possible remaining roster to work with. That'd be a Danny Ainge level trade though, we cannot assume that level of competency from AK, unless he's on the wrong side of it

yeah, like you said...hard to say without knowing what the competition can offer.

but if giannis prefers a destination, that is likely to be where he goes despite the offer maybe not being the best out there for the player.

i assume giannis has full NTC rights?

 

[clonetrooper264]

yeah, like you said...hard to say without knowing what the competition can offer.

but if giannis prefers a destination, that is likely to be where he goes despite the offer maybe not being the best out there for the player.

i assume giannis has full NTC rights?

I think technically he does not have a NTC, though I am sure he would have some say in where he goes like every other star these days.

I didn't even really factor in if Giannis himself demanded a trade to any particular destinations. He has said in the past it'd be cool to play in Chicago, but we'll never know if he was just saying that until something happens I guess

 

[Crystallas]

At some point you got to get older. Just not older+broken. The best players on this team haven't had any real star talent to push them. I don't consider DeMar that guy. I don't consider LaVine that guy, because LaVine never HAD that guy. Thad Young is the closest thing to them. We're so far disconnected from winners, we don't know what winning looks like anymore.

And the only way to do it, is getting older. This league does not have any young stars that just win. The closet ones have been WHINERS and show their immaturity when tact alone beats their egos.

Giannis works. He immediately saves the team. But I just don't see any trade that makes it work. And if we did go that route, you'd need to roll the dice on Billy being able to get his reunion with Harden and Westbrook. Which then really makes the team old, and if it doesn't work, you throw a lot of development out the window. That runs into chemistry issues. It would be a crazy thing to watch, but Im not sure how it all turns out.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I could see the Bucks, Knicks, and Suns blowing up their teams this off-season. I'm less confident in the Knicks.

 

[knoxville7]

At some point you got to get older. Just not older+broken. The best players on this team haven't had any real star talent to push them. I don't consider DeMar that guy. I don't consider LaVine that guy, because LaVine never HAD that guy. Thad Young is the closest thing to them. We're so far disconnected from winners, we don't know what winning looks like anymore.

And the only way to do it, is getting older. This league does not have any young stars that just win. The closet ones have been WHINERS and show their immaturity when tact alone beats their egos.

Giannis works. He immediately saves the team. But I just don't see any trade that makes it work. And if we did go that route, you'd need to roll the dice on Billy being able to get his reunion with Harden and Westbrook. Which then really makes the team old, and if it doesn't work, you throw a lot of development out the window. That runs into chemistry issues. It would be a crazy thing to watch, but Im not sure how it all turns out.

Why would you “NEED” to roll the dice on harden and Westbrook if you brought in Giannis??

That makes no sense to me

 

[Raskolnikov]

yeah, like you said...hard to say without knowing what the competition can offer.

but if giannis prefers a destination, that is likely to be where he goes despite the offer maybe not being the best out there for the player.

i assume giannis has full NTC rights?

I agree...in the NBA players build playoff alliances every year.
We should absolutely be trying to get the roster to the point a superstar can choose us and get everything he needs and wants in terms of money, destination, and hand picked sidekicks.

Rose was a fool for not trying to fruit his own lottery superstar window.

Win Gianni's heart and you actually have a shot at window that is real to compete.

If not I think trying to compete straight up in the NBA every year is foolish. Toronto did it. Oklahoma City always drafts brilliantly.

Chicago is a big market with big endorsements and needs to get it's ship right to attract a captain.

They can't even tank right in a year like this. They have no clue what they are doing so a 5 year rebuild is actually scheduled for eternal failure right now.

This ain't ever going to happen without a lottery win or Gianis level player choosing us.

 

[Raskolnikov]

yeah, like you said...hard to say without knowing what the competition can offer.

but if giannis prefers a destination, that is likely to be where he goes despite the offer maybe not being the best out there for the player.

i assume giannis has full NTC rights?

I agree...in the NBA players build playoff alliances every year.
We should absolutely be trying to get the roster to the point a superstar can choose us and get everything he needs and wants in terms of money, destination, and hand picked sidekicks.

Rose was a fool for not trying to fruit his own lottery superstar window.

Win Gianni's heart and you actually have a shot at window that is real to compete.

If not I think trying to compete straight up in the NBA every year is foolish. Toronto did it. Oklahoma City always drafts brilliantly.

Chicago is a big market with big endorsements and needs to get it's ship right to attract a captain.

They can't even tank right in a year like this. They have no clue what they are doing so a 5 year rebuild is actually scheduled for eternal failure right now.

This ain't ever going to happen without a lottery win or Gianis level player choosing us.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Bulls are a big market team that functions like a small market team. There is no real appeal to play here, thus why you see no big FAs ever sign here, it's always 2nd tier or lower. I think the only time the Bulls actually got the biggest name in free agency was Ben Wallace...and we know how that turned out.

Getting a player of Giannis's caliber changes the direction of the franchise immediately. If nothing else, you are waaay closer to competing than you ever would be with this rebuild effort because you finally have a superstar talent, a true Batman. It's way easier to get a Robin or an Alfred than a Batman, and especially so when you already have a Batman.

But like everyone says, Giannis kind of has to choose Chicago, because the assets available may not really be enticing enough to convince Milwaukee otherwise. Though again, depends on who's in play

 

[Crystallas]

Why would you “NEED” to roll the dice on harden and Westbrook if you brought in Giannis??

That makes no sense to me

Because Giannis is the kind of player that requires trading our best to get him, and that depletes the roster, because this team isn't that deep.

The team would have a starting lineup of;

Ayo
Jevon Carter
Huerter
Antetokounmpo
Liddell

No first round 2028 pick, or whenever they expect Giannis to decline and tank the Bulls.

And then we still have the problem of Jerry. SO he's going to pay exactly that much ^^^^

 

[knoxville7]

Because Giannis is the kind of player that requires trading our best to get him, and that depletes the roster, because this team isn't that deep.

The team would have a starting lineup of;

Ayo
Jevon Carter
Huerter
Antetokounmpo
Liddell

No first round 2028 pick, or whenever they expect Giannis to decline and tank the Bulls.

And then we still have the problem of Jerry. SO he's going to pay exactly that much ^^^^

That still doesn’t mean they HAVE to sign James harden and Russell Westbrook even in that super depleted scenario

There’s hundreds of other FA options

 

[Crystallas]

That still doesn’t mean they HAVE to sign James harden and Russell Westbrook even in that super depleted scenario

There’s hundreds of other FA options

I'm not necessarily saying they have to. I'm saying that becomes the on-paper biggest signings available for anyone that is trying to ringchase. I'm saying need as an exaggeration. And you know what. I was trying to be nice by agreeing with you a bit, but you just want to argue with me. Forget it bud. Hopeless.