24th civil suit filed against Watson..

[PrideisBears]

That right there is a major line of horse shit. Thousands upon thousands of people have been wrongly convicted of crimes and sent to prison in this country. And a majority of lawyers and judges who send them there absolutely do not give a ****. The justice system in this country is a fucking joke. If you're a lower or middle class citizen in this country and certain people want you to go to prison you will absolutely go there. It's fucking scary.

Lol America has the most incarcerations but that isn’t enough

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

The Texans owner definitely got what he wanted. He wanted to ruin Watson, mission accomplished, and also get a jackpot of draft picks as well. Leave it up to one few organizations that are a bigger joke than the Bears to trade for this creep.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting that these women are liars, nor am I saying Watson is some model citizen, but this whole saga seems very coordinated.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

That right there is a major line of horse shit. Thousands upon thousands of people have been wrongly convicted of crimes and sent to prison in this country. And a majority of lawyers and judges who send them there absolutely do not give a ****. The justice system in this country is a fucking joke. If you're a lower or middle class citizen in this country and certain people want you to go to prison you will absolutely go there. It's fucking scary.

I'd almost argue the inverse of the statement he made was true.

The justice system would rather 10 innocent men go to jail than one guilty man go free.

 

[Canth]

The standard of proof is also different in criminal vs civil. Criminal cases are only supposed to be found guilty when the evidence is "beyond all reasonable doubt".

So, the grand jury apparently decided that there existed a reasonable doubt. Or phrased another way, the grand jury decided he was not likely to be found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. I think each case has to be considered separately and they can't refer to each other? Not 100% sure on that one, but I thought I read that somewhere. So, unless there was a rape kit done to present as evidence, it likely becomes a he said, she said situation when looked at in a vacuum. That makes it harder for a criminal case to get to beyond all reasonable doubt and my guess as to why there was no true bill at the grand jury stage.

However, civil cases are based on a 'preponderance of evidence'. Hence why you get cases like OJ who could be found not guilty in criminal but guilty in civil. Again, I think they have to keep some separation between the cases, but it's easier to build the preponderance of evidence that Watson had/has? a mode of operation where he used instagram and the excuse of massages to get sexual favors - with some willing and some not willing participants.

 

[Ares]

Methinks Watson watched a bit too many massage porn videos and assumed he could live out that fantasy.

Imagine walking around thinking every woman you see is like a porn girl who will just drop to her knees and take your load in the face.

Then needing to be told, by lawyers and judges, that in fact you should not jerk off on girls, bad boy.

Did this dude not have a Mom? Or a Dad? Or any human contact since he learned how to masturbate?

 

[Feeva]

I don't disagree.

At the end of the day I think the reason I am content to wait and see is the grand jury thing.

It doesn't take much to make a grand jury say "there is a strong enough reason to take this to trial".

I mean, after all we are talking about Texas. A state that has an obscenity statute which makes it illegal to own more than 6 dildos.

There must have been some mitigating circumstances that prevented a random selection of citizens from saying "go for it" twice.

I bet you it’s the money he paid for the massages. There has be a reason because he was being super reckless. I don’t know why he didn’t think that he was doing this a little too many times. Either he had them sign something before hand or they got paid a lot of money. Otherwise it’s super weird to decline criminal charges. Usually one woman saying “I was assaulted” is enough

 

[Discus fish salesman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1534295390228455425

 

[TheWinman]

Browns fans are outraged that the NFL may not allow Watson to play until ALL the civil cases are resolved. This obviously would be the proper course of action by the league, but Browns fans don't even care if he even did anything wrong, much less criminal, they just feel he is their best chance to win games. They are already claiming mistreatment by the league.

I am disgusted by a few fan bases. Why can't all fan bases be stellar like those of the Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs, and Buffalo Bills.

Those are the fan bases that provide true shine to the NFL shield.

Who the **** are you crapping? If this was Rodgers you would be reacting the same way the Browns fans are.

 

[Ralpf]

The standard of proof is also different in criminal vs civil. Criminal cases are only supposed to be found guilty when the evidence is "beyond all reasonable doubt".

So, the grand jury apparently decided that there existed a reasonable doubt. Or phrased another way, the grand jury decided he was not likely to be found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. I think each case has to be considered separately and they can't refer to each other? Not 100% sure on that one, but I thought I read that somewhere. So, unless there was a rape kit done to present as evidence, it likely becomes a he said, she said situation when looked at in a vacuum. That makes it harder for a criminal case to get to beyond all reasonable doubt and my guess as to why there was no true bill at the grand jury stage.

However, civil cases are based on a 'preponderance of evidence'. Hence why you get cases like OJ who could be found not guilty in criminal but guilty in civil. Again, I think they have to keep some separation between the cases, but it's easier to build the preponderance of evidence that Watson had/has? a mode of operation where he used instagram and the excuse of massages to get sexual favors - with some willing and some not willing participants.

It's different for a grand jury. All a grand jury has to do is look at the evidence against (there is no defense) and decide based on that evidence that they could be charged, they have powers to investigate but the defense has very little rights at this stage. The standard is probable cause, and generally they don't need to be unanimous.

A failed indictment basically means the prosecutor throwing the case or very poor, or no, evidence.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it, but it's hard to prove months down the line.

 

[Bearly]

The one described in the latest encounter is super creepy and would constitute sexual assault in my mind.... but I am going to wait and see on this one.

Up in the far northwest suburbs, there is a tiny little town called spring grove.
They have had several rub and tug places busted there.
Hell, as kids we used to joke non stop about the 2 places in belvedere operating right out in the open on the main drag of town.

Those places are a thing, and maybe they did see a cash cow to exploit.

I hope the grand jury gets it right on this, but I am not going to cape for the guy or condemn him just yet.

I suspect some of these girls didn't mind and like the tip but some didn't and that's a big issue.
I honestly have no issue with someone going to a Rub and Tug as long as all involved understand the rules.

That is what really makes me pause.

I don't think it is beyond belief that Watson enjoyed the services of women who do that sort of thing for cash and now are cashing in.

I am not playing blame the victim here, I am just observing that in a couple separate occasions a group of citizens decided there was not compelling enough evidence to take him to trial...or there was evidence that discredited their claims.

...which leaves Watson pretty screwed.
He is in a fucked up situation where he has to tacitly admit to habitually using prostitutes or find some other way to explain what went down.

Either way, he is screwed.

They are probably all gunning for arbitration and sealed settlements.

The problem is the # of women here and him admitting he made at least one cry. I suspect some are cashing in but only one not willing is enough for him to be guilty whether convicted/losing suit or not. If he even fucked over one of these girls, let him pay them all. If not, I hope they all get slander suits but it sure doesn't look good for him not being at fault for some of these.

Deshaun Watson Booked Massage Therapy Sessions With 66 Different Women, per Report - Sports Illustrated

The quarterback is facing 24 active civil lawsuits filed by massage therapists, each detailing graphic accounts of sexual harassment and sexual assault.

www.si.com

 

[Bearly]

It's different for a grand jury. All a grand jury has to do is look at the evidence against (there is no defense) and decide based on that evidence that they could be charged, they have powers to investigate but the defense has very little rights at this stage. The standard is probable cause, and generally they don't need to be unanimous.

A failed indictment basically means the prosecutor throwing the case or very poor, or no, evidence.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it, but it's hard to prove months down the line.

This and the aggressiveness of the prosecutor has a huge influence here.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

No one knows what happened and the evidence is obviously weak because the grand jury declined to indict. The morals shock of this country (over a happy ending) is hilarious after voting in a president in 2016 who admitted sexually assaulting women on video.

Lol, embarrassing Watson fan boy here.

 

[bearsfan1977]

The standard of proof is also different in criminal vs civil. Criminal cases are only supposed to be found guilty when the evidence is "beyond all reasonable doubt".

So, the grand jury apparently decided that there existed a reasonable doubt. Or phrased another way, the grand jury decided he was not likely to be found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. I think each case has to be considered separately and they can't refer to each other? Not 100% sure on that one, but I thought I read that somewhere. So, unless there was a rape kit done to present as evidence, it likely becomes a he said, she said situation when looked at in a vacuum. That makes it harder for a criminal case to get to beyond all reasonable doubt and my guess as to why there was no true bill at the grand jury stage.

However, civil cases are based on a 'preponderance of evidence'. Hence why you get cases like OJ who could be found not guilty in criminal but guilty in civil. Again, I think they have to keep some separation between the cases, but it's easier to build the preponderance of evidence that Watson had/has? a mode of operation where he used instagram and the excuse of massages to get sexual favors - with some willing and some not willing participants.

Not true, at least the part about the evidentiary burden at the GJ stage. All they need is probable cause to indict, ie preponderance of evidence. In other words more likely than not a crime(s) was committed, and Watson committed it. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the burden at trial.

What a weird guy. Dude is a millionaire. Just be a sugar daddy to some hot girls. Or just walk into any club and get a girl.

So happy the Bears steered clear of this weirdo.

 

[Canth]

Not true, at least the part about the evidentiary burden at the GJ stage. All they need is probable cause to indict, ie preponderance of evidence. In other words more likely than not a crime(s) was committed, and Watson committed it. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the burden at trial.

What a weird guy. Dude is a millionaire. Just be a sugar daddy to some hot girls. Or just walk into any club and get a girl.

So happy the Bears steered clear of this weirdo.

I guess where I was going with that was that it sounds like the prosecutor likely didn’t push maybe as hard as they could have because the harder criminal evidence requirement would have meant it is harder to actually get a guilty verdict. If the prosecutor doesn’t think they have enough to win, or that maybe in this case that they don’t want to spend the resources to prosecute multiple cases, appeals, etc due to the higher burden where they think it is marginal that they can get a verdict, then they can influence the grand jury that way.

 

[mattb78]

Thousands upon thousands of people have been wrongly convicted of crimes and sent to prison in this country.

Agreed. And hundreds of thousands have gone innocent when in reality they were guilty. A "reasonable doubt" is a relatively easy standard to obtain a not guilty verdict. The reasonable doubt standard and right to a trial by jury of your peers makes it harder to convict people of crimes in the U.S. Ask any Public Defender in the US and they will tell you the get far more charges dropped of people that are guilty than wrongful convictions.

Please do some research and don't form opinions based on memes.

 

[Les Grossman]

The Texans owner definitely got what he wanted. He wanted to ruin Watson, mission accomplished, and also get a jackpot of draft picks as well. Leave it up to one few organizations that are a bigger joke than the Bears to trade for this creep.

I would not be so sure. News is coming out that the Texans were complicit and arranged for a venue for these Watson massages. They might get dragged as well.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I would many be so sure. News is coming out that the Texans were complicit and arranged for a venue for these Watson massages. They might get dragged as well.

That owner should be forced to sell

 

[playthrough2001]

That owner should be forced to sell

The starting price is 5 billion. Oh what a tragedy for him!

 

[bamainatlanta]

The starting price is 5 billion. Oh what a tragedy for him!

Yeah. That's unfortunate, he'll definitely get a golden parachute.

If you or I get fired, we likely get nothing if there is no severance package.

 

[Alpha Male]

No one knows what happened and the evidence is obviously weak because the grand jury declined to indict. The morals shock of this country (over a happy ending) is hilarious after voting in a president in 2016 who admitted sexually assaulting women on video.

He also raped girls on epsteins pedophile island and fucked a pornstar and paid her hush money.