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Obviously this record won't be touched this year, but, as pointed out on the Score yesterday...

72-10 = .878048 winning percentage
58-8 = .878787 winning percentage
 

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ehhh.. 58-8 is still going to be very hard to get this season.

All these games in a short span is going to screw with teams as the season goes on, I think.

Miami is the only team I can see getting 58 though
 

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Yeah but 72-10>58-8 due to it being done over a longer period of time and more games.
 

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58-8 would be extremely impressive in a condensed schedule where more back-to-back games happen. The Heat could do it, but it wouldn't necessarily equate to them being the best NBA team ever.
 

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58-8 would be extremely impressive in a condensed schedule where more back-to-back games happen. The Heat could do it, but it wouldn't necessarily equate to them being the best NBA team ever.

The other teams are also playing in a condensed schedule with back-to-back games.
 

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The other teams are also playing in a condensed schedule with back-to-back games.

That should, if anything, balance the winning percentages of the 30 NBA teams.

If one team was to win 58 games with that many second-of back-to-backs, it would be an amazing accomplishment. I dare to say that it might be an even bigger accomplishment than what the Bulls did in 1996 with a lesser dosage of second-of back-to-back games.
 
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That should, if anything, balance the winning percentages of the 30 NBA teams.

If one team was to win 58 games with that many second-of back-to-backs, it would be an amazing accomplishment. I dare to say that it would be an even bigger accomplishment than what the Bulls did in 1996 with a lesser dosage of second-of back-to-back games.

And you'd be wrong. One again, the other teams are also playing in lot of back-to-back games. The disadvantage of playing in back to back games during a condensed schedule is negated by the fact that they're playing other teams in the same situation.

And so, it gets back to having that winning % over more games being a greater accomplishment. If a team won 9/10 games, no one would be saying it's better than 72-10...well at least not most people, because it's only 10 games. Same is the case here. 66 games < 82 games. The longer the season, the more a team is prone to cold streaks and this is even independent of wear and tear.
 

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And you'd be wrong. One again, the other teams are also playing in lot of back-to-back games. The disadvantage of playing in back to back games during a condensed schedule is negated by the fact that they're playing other teams in the same situation.

And so, it gets back to having that winning % over more games being a greater accomplishment. If a team won 9/10 games, no one would be saying it's better than 72-10...well at least not most people, because it's only 10 games. Same is the case here. 66 games < 82 games. The longer the season, the more a team is prone to cold streaks and this is even independent of wear and tear.

While you make some good points, I still believe that the sloppy play early-on, and the overall exhaustion of all teams involved would push the 30 teams closer to that .500 mark.

We'll just need to watch the season and judge for ourselves.
 

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i think miami is the only one that would probably have a shot at this

58-8 is impressive but not as impressive as 72-10...its a smaller sample size for one thing
 

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Really only 16 games smaller. It's not as big of a difference as it seems. Anyone here a statistician?
 

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While you make some good points, I still believe that the sloppy play early-on, and the overall exhaustion of all teams involved would push the 30 teams closer to that .500 mark.

We'll just need to watch the season and judge for ourselves.

I think the sloppy play early on is actually part of why teams like the Heat and Thunder are at a greater advantage currently.

Teams that are less athletic have to rely on execution and cohesiveness to compensate for athletic discrepancies. The Miami Heat have the advantage of both being the most athletic team and they also minimal roster turnover. So, because of this, Miami is both in a better position to exploit the lack of cohesiveness (in your words "sloppy play") from other teams and they also are better positioned to be more cohesive (due to minimal roster turnover).
 

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I think the sloppy play early on is actually part of why teams like the Heat and Thunder are at a greater advantage currently.

Teams that are less athletic have to rely on execution and cohesiveness to compensate for athletic discrepancies. The Miami Heat have the advantage of both being the most athletic team and they also minimal roster turnover. So, because of this, Miami is both in a better position to exploit the lack of cohesiveness (in your words "sloppy play") from other teams and they also are better positioned to be more cohesive (due to minimal roster turnover).

Yeah and, like Code said, it is a much smaller sample size as it is. Maybe if Miami wins 60+, I'll think differently about it.
 

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It's significant. 82 games is almost a 25% increase over 66 games.

I know that part...but that is not what I am talking about. The question is: Is a 66 game schedule a large enough of a sample size. That is what the statistician is needed for.
 

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Really only 16 games smaller. It's not as big of a difference as it seems. Anyone here a statistician?

perhaps in the last 16 games..the team that went 58-8 stumbled a bit

its hard to use correlations when comparing the actual record of a team with a number of games and what their record would be with more games....im definitely not a statistician but when making that comparison to the hypothetical(which would be their record in the 16 games they did not play)...its hard to say that they win 72..maybe they win more maybe they win less..teams have up and downs..they dont stay at a constant correlation

its variable

so the sample size does matter in this case...i dont think its as impressive as going 72-10 in an 82 game season..but sure its impressive nontheless
 

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This is exactly why you need a statistician. I think if you look at the last 16 games of teams their winning percentage might be very close to what it is the first 66 times on average. I just don't know to be sure one way or the other.
 

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This is exactly why you need a statistician. I think if you look at the last 16 games of teams their winning percentage might be very close to what it is the first 66 times on average. I just don't know to be sure one way or the other.

There will be a degree of variability but what's just as much of an issue is how much of an impact that variability has in terms of a percentage. 72-10 is practically 90%. And so, you can't really afford to deviate from 90% much if you lose a game or two off of your previous pace during the last 16 games. Additionally, the variability is problematic in that, as stated, 90% is a ridiculously high win rate and the odds of the minus occurring is greater than the plus occuring. In other words, winning less than 14 of the last 16 games is a much more likely occurrence than winning 15 or 16 of 16 games.

As I've said before. Nevermind injuries. The wider you expand the scope of the season, the more you increase the possibility of a team going through a "slump". Look at what happened to the Spurs last year. They had a high win % well into the season and then really fell off at the end.

All statistics would do is project a degree of variability based on the 66 games. This is hardly fool proof even with "statistical validity". And again, you have to look at the variability in terms of winning % too. When you're winning 87% of your games, it's much easier for the % to come down than it is to move it up.
 

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The restrictions on the schedule is a push for all teams. But a 66 game season is not comparable to an 82 game season. Apples and Oranges.
 

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The 96 Bulls team easily could've won 74 or 75 games. They lost a few games down the stretch by a point which seemed like they kind of took their foot off the gas after they got the record.
 

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