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I’ve seen a bit of a trend lately with posters and people among twitter who are upset when certain prospects get sent down to the AHL. Don’t get me wrong, I liked what Jimmy Hayes brought to the Hawks lineup. I’d like it even more if he played more than 11 minutes a game which is why precisely the Hawks sent him down to Rockford.



We (Hawk fans) have been spoiled the past few years. We’ve seen young prospects jump into the lineup and make some sort of immediate impact (Toews, Kane, Leddy, Seabs, Bolland) without spending a significant amount of time in the minor leagues. But for every Kane and Toews, players who make a straight jump to the pros, there are tons of prospects that need some seasoning in the minors. Some may have the skills and talent to compete in the NHL (Hayes, Olsen to name two) but because they are eligible to play in the minors many teams feel they are better off getting 17+ minutes in the AHL then less than 11 minutes in the NHL. Take a guy like Alexander Daigle who was drafted 1[sup]st[/sup] overall in the 1993 NHL draft by Ottawa. Daigle was once considered the next “can’t miss superstar’’, the kind of player that could be your franchise player. What happened next was poor player management and terrible development that saw Daigle out of hockey by 25. Daigle went straight from the QMJHL to the NHL and while he had a good rookie year (51 points in 84 games) he would never top that total again. He was passed soon by Alexei Yashin as the teams top center. Could better player development helped Daigle? Probably, but we will never know because he never got the ability to develop outside of getting thrown into the fire of the NHL and Ottawa hoping it worked out.



I realize I always talk about the Red Wings and how they are the ideal franchise when building teams, but it’s because it is true. It’s why they are always a top team in the league. They draft a prospect and let him finish his junior or college career. Then he starts of in the AHL and after a few seasons they move him up to the current roster where he will fill a need if he’s got nothing left for the minors. 8 of their current rostered skaters played at least a full year in the AHL, 9 if you count Jimmy Howard. Some even played 2-3 full seasons in the minors because getting regular duty in the NHL. Those 8 spots used to be filled by guys who had the same type of development and got to a point where they either didn’t fit the team’s plans or were too expensive. So once they moved on, the prospects who were developing got the call and took their new spot in the pro roster.



The Blackhawks are now in the same position and have been doing this for a few years. The spots that guys like Hayes, Olsen, Morin, Smith all were filling in at one point, are now filled by veteran players who don’t have much potential left to hit and are hurting any development by playing less than 12-13 minutes a game (Bruno, Mayers, Bickell, O’Donnell, Montador). Keith, Hammer, Buff, Versteeg, Burish, Fraser (when they were all here) for example all had the same type of slow development and this is exactly why they are still in the NHL doing their respected jobs.



While I know many of you are upset by Hayes getting sent down, and you very well can be upset because you won’t see him play for a while, instead be excited that he is going to get nothing but more of an opportunity to get better then he currently is and let him work on what will give him a better chance to get more ice time at the NHL level. It’s that type of patience and the ability to slowly develop these young prospects that makes the future of the Blackhawks exciting!



-TJD



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bingo bango spot on this article rules...



TCD still sucks



I wasn't actually refering to TCD at all. I've seen tons of peopl upset by it, and I wanted to give the reasons behind it in an article that explained and showed examples.
 

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I wasn't actually refering to TCD at all. I've seen tons of peopl upset by it, and I wanted to give the reasons behind it in an article that explained and showed examples.



Well the article was awesome so in no way was it referring to TCD.
 

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I agree with you 100% Trev. About me sucking and about farm time for these players and other NHL players.



As a fan it just baffles me why some are touted as needing AHL time (ie Hayes) while others who clearly show they do need it never do (ie Kruger). I am perfectly fine with Hayes serving time on the farm as it will only do him good. My question is why has Kruger never spent time there? It could have done him a world of good to this point also. Is it because of the lack of centers on this team that Kruger has to be playing? I assume that is the case and it is the only logical explanation. I really like Kruger a lot but I am and always have been one that thinks more than any player on our roster needed proper conditioning. It sort of sucks not having him get it because he has amazing potential but he's lacking North American ice seasoning. He might be getting pushed to fast...we will see.



The only reason I was upset about Hayes being sent down was for selfish fan Morrison hating reasons. As far as a hockey move goes I understand it and agree with it. As far as a I hate Morrison so much move, well I can't stand to bare watching a kid I grew fond of pretty fast make room for a player I have a large distaste for and have precautions about. I was one who reacted poorly about sending Hayes down. If Brendan Morrison can shut his ego prick trap and give the Hawks a solid effort for the rest of the season it will all be easier to swallow (insert joke here).



I really don't think we have seen the last of Hayes anyways.



And I do think we fans see these little bursts of production from the call ups and tend to annoint them early as ones who could be the big find . I have been guilty of that myself. I thought Ben Smith was going to be a diamond in the rough after his call ups last year. Perhaps the head injury has set him back a bit. It's not that Smith has been horrible but he hasn't shown that same burst I saw last year. These kids are young and they have a lot of time and they need to be given the development time.



I have to go back to sucking now
 

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I agree with you 100% Trev. About me sucking and about farm time for these players and other NHL players.



As a fan it just baffles me why some are touted as needing AHL time (ie Hayes) while others who clearly show they do need it never do (ie Kruger). I am perfectly fine with Hayes serving time on the farm as it will only do him good. My question is why has Kruger never spent time there? It could have done him a world of good to this point also. Is it because of the lack of centers on this team that Kruger has to be playing? I assume that is the case and it is the only logical explanation. I really like Kruger a lot but I am and always have been one that thinks more than any player on our roster needed proper conditioning. It sort of sucks not having him get it because he has amazing potential but he's lacking North American ice seasoning. He might be getting pushed to fast...we will see.



The only reason I was upset about Hayes being sent down was for selfish fan Morrison hating reasons. As far as a hockey move goes I understand it and agree with it. As far as a I hate Morrison so much move, well I can't stand to bare watching a kid I grew fond of pretty fast make room for a player I have a large distaste for and have precautions about. I was one who reacted poorly about sending Hayes down. If Brendan Morrison can shut his ego prick trap and give the Hawks a solid effort for the rest of the season it will all be easier to swallow (insert joke here).



I really don't think we have seen the last of Hayes anyways.



And I do think we fans see these little bursts of production from the call ups and tend to annoint them early as ones who could be the big find . I have been guilty of that myself. I thought Ben Smith was going to be a diamond in the rough after his call ups last year. Perhaps the head injury has set him back a bit. It's not that Smith has been horrible but he hasn't shown that same burst I saw last year. These kids are young and they have a lot of time and they need to be given the development time.



I have to go back to sucking now



Kruger has been getting a ton of heavy minutes lately, even before JT went down so he's getting used. Hayes wasn't getting enough minutes. Management is basically trying to get Kruger to develop at a faster pace it looks like. He also fits the need for a skilled center which we don't really have much of outside of JT and Bolland at times.
 

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still say send Bickell down he needs some minor league work. Like checking and using the body 101.
 

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Bickell would need to go through waivers and as Ton has said in past articles, Bickell wouldn't make it to Rockford because another team would claim him before he cleared waivers.
 

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Bickell would need to go through waivers and as Ton has said in past articles, Bickell wouldn't make it to Rockford because another team would claim him before he cleared waivers.



Good, bai Bickell.
 

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I remember toward the end of the 06/07 season Bickell got called up and made an immediate impact. Everyone loved what Bickell brought the table, and it was baffling he was sent back down the following year.



and now we are all ready to trade him for a bag of pucks. I want to get excited about Hayes and Shaw, but for all I know 2 years from now they will complete the bickell trilogy and be playing uninspired shit hockey.
 

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I remember toward the end of the 06/07 season Bickell got called up and made an immediate impact. Everyone loved what Bickell brought the table, and it was baffling he was sent back down the following year.



and now we are all ready to trade him for a bag of pucks. I want to get excited about Hayes and Shaw, but for all I know 2 years from now they will complete the bickell trilogy and be playing uninspired shit hockey.



And then we can trade their useless asses. Until then play'em.
 

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My only issue with Hayes being sent down is that right now, he's a better option than Bickell. I know Bickell won't make it through waivers, But with Lepisto and Scott also jamming up the pressbox, it also doesn't give us any youth flexibility.



IMHO one of Bickell, Scott, or Lepisto needs to be moved (preferably for a non-roster acquisition--picks or AHL). Preferrably Lepisto or Bickell. Scott hasn't looked bad with the extremely limited ice time that Q's given him and IMHO should be the 6th D-man, if not the 7th.



Right now, I think Hayes earned his spot and even though some AHL time couldn't hurt--especially for logging more minutes, I think it sucks that the better player right now couldn't stay with the club.
 

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TSD, Radulov fits into that category as well.



When Bickell came up he was playing well with Kane and Toews getting good ice time. Then he was dropped down lines, lost ice time and his development ended up stalling out. That's exactly what we DON'T want with Hayes and co.
 

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Lord, yes Hayes has shown that he is better right now then Bickell. But Bickell only gets 7-10 minutes a game. Hayes is 22(?) and has time and room to grow. Don't bury him on the lower lines like Bickell is. Let him play on a top line and get to develop his offense instead of playing 4th line energy style minutes...
 

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Facts and logic have no place here. Hayes and Shaw forever!!!!
 

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It's not Waivers going down that I would be worried about with Bickel, it's bringing him back up. That's why he stays till you can trade him.
 

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Lord, yes Hayes has shown that he is better right now then Bickell. But Bickell only gets 7-10 minutes a game. Hayes is 22(?) and has time and room to grow. Don't bury him on the lower lines like Bickell is. Let him play on a top line and get to develop his offense instead of playing 4th line energy style minutes...

True enough, but my point was Hayes, even in a bottom-6 role and limited minutes, is better than Bickell in the same role. IMHO the fault on the trade is the fact that it wasn't Bickell, Lepisto, or Scott moved. Maybe Calgary didn't bite on them-who knows. One of those three moves and yeah, we wouldn't have needed to send Hayes down unless he really tapered off.



I'm not too upset about Hayes being moved down other than the fact that eveyone knows it should have been Bickell--who couldn't because of Waivers. I just hope Hayes develops more, and comes back hungry when he has the chance--which I'm sure he will.
 

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