[A] Series Preview: Chicago Blackhawks vs. Detroit Red Wings

[Pez68]

Well if they want to improve the PP, why not start with using the entire offensive zone? The PP is all about the extra space out there, and the Hawks cut the rink in half and only use the right side of the ice. And then they wonder why they don't score? You watch good PP teams and the puck is moving left to right across the rink CONSTANTLY. The Hawks do that what, maybe once a month?</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Well if they want to improve the PP, why not start with using the entire offensive zone? The PP is all about the extra space out there, and the Hawks cut the rink in half and only use the right side of the ice. And then they wonder why they don't score? You watch good PP teams and the puck is moving left to right across the rink CONSTANTLY. The Hawks do that what, maybe once a month?</p>
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They don't move their feet enough to use the entire offensive zone. You are right.  Notice that the only pp goal scored this series for the Hawks came off of the left wing. Not that it was a set play or anything but yup I do agree with you. These guys need to start moving their fucking legs around on the powerplay and stop sitting in their little comfort zones. Kane looks for that dumb ass short side shot on the right side too much (that is until Q puts him on the LW on the PP then he pretty much doesn't touch the puck)..Keith never pinches in from the point anymore..not even a foot..he just sits at the line and drags the puck until he draws a defensive player into his lane where he shoots it into his ankle. Leddy is the only guy on the point that will move off the line and pinch. Etc etc etc. </p>


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I don't expect much from the new units but i am glad some changes have been made. I know Q and the coaches hold some responsibility for the shit pp but I personally point my fingers at the those players on it who haven't done jack shit. Im glad there will be new blood. </p>


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More even strength goals this series wouldn't be bad either.</p>


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Outscored 7-2 in the last 2 games is that right? Thats not acceptable and the pp does need to fucking shape up. Sad thing is I don't think it will either until these guys start taking some risks on it or at least moving on it...no matter who is on it. The PK moves well and takes risks not sure why the PP can't do the same fucking thing.</p>

 

[Pez68]

I find it hard to believe the players are the ones drawing up the PP setup... The right side focus is ALL on the coaching staff. It's how the PP units have tried to run since 2010. Your most dangerous players need to be the ones you work on freeing up on the PP. Not the ones you PIGEONHOLE into being stuck along the boards or in the corner, where they have bad shooting angles.... Toews in the lower right, Kane along the boards. That's how they've set the fucking thing up forever. It's obvious to me switching the puck up from right to left is NOT something they are working on.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

errrrrr I bet any team under the same system could score more pp goals than the the Hawks do. At some point the players themselves also need to be held accountable for some of the shit they do and don't do on the ice. I don't think its as black and white as pointing the finger at coaches OR players. There is obviously a combo of problems occurring....the frustration is also in these guys heads big time and its obvious when you watch them fight the pucks on the PP. One reason why new guys on the units is a good idea right now.</p>


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Want me to get radical and get laughed off these boards. My first move on the pp right now would be to take Toews and Seabrook completely off of them. Yup Toews..off the PP. Outside of face offs I think he does jack shit on the PP and its not a very strong part of his overall game. I have never been impressed with Toews on the powerplay in the playoffs to be honest (except during the cup run). And I am talking goal scoring here.</p>


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So far these playoffs in 8 games played = 0 pp goals</p>


2011/12 6 game playoffs = 0 pp goals </p>


2010/11 7 game playoffs = 0 pp goals</p>


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So in the last 21 playoff games Toews has 0...count them 0 pp goals. That's not all about coaching pez. That's a guy that can't score on the powerplay anymore. Even Carcillo could probably score at least one pp goal in 21 games. The last 3 years Toews has been god awful on the PP in the playoffs. What happened since the cup run because its still the exact pp system its simply lacking the supportive talent on it now. Campbell and Buff are missed on the pp. We don't have the point man and we don't have the big body infront of the net anymore.</p>


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Kane can get off the pp also for all I care. He has actually been worse than Toews stat wise when it comes to playoff pp goals. Don't care how well he passes the puck around he too needs to elevate his powerplay game via scoring some fucking goals himself. Heres a nice stat about Kanes ability to score powerplay goals in the playoffs. in the last 43 playoff games (which includes the cup run) Kane has scored...wait for it....wait for it...2 goals. 2 fucking pp goals in 43 playoff games. Thats not bad..thats pathetic. And a lot of that is on him because he is one of the worst Hawks on the PP when it comes to moving his feet. His low percentage shots on the PP have become boring and frankly really fucking stupid. He has to stop taking that dumb ass short side shot which he can't score on unless he is streaking down the wing. </p>


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On a somewhat different note though. Not that many guys dominating on the PP these playoffs around the league. Outside of L Couture who has 5 pp goals. Pavalski, Kunitz and Franzen are next with 3 then its just a bunch of guys with 2 goals (including Hossa) and then a thwack of 1 goal guys (in which only Sharp is the lone Blackhawk on the list..so fucking sad). I hate how this team runs the PP too from the bench but guys like Toews and Kane have to do a lot better in scoring goals themselves. Not acceptable in my opinion...not worth spit.</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

So I watched Bruins vs Rangers (sorry bout dem Rangers ISTUGOATSALOT) and Kings vs Sharks last night. After watching Hawks vs Wings the previous night, the games last night looked to be notch or 2 down in the intensity level compared to the Hawks /Wings. I wonder if the Wings can keep up this level of play. Are they playing out of their asses? I'm not talking about the core players.

 

[PatrickShart]

DET is 0-12 on the PP...and up 2-1 in the series</p>


BOS is 1-5 on the PP (had 0 in GM 3)...and is up 3-0</p>


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ANA was 7-28 on the PP...knocked out in the first round</p>


TOR was 5-21 on the PP..knocked out in the first round</p>


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Of course...you want to score on the PP.  You want to score any chance you get.  But its not somehow the end all/be all.</p>

 

[Pez68]

If you're not scoring on the PP, it's still important to be generating chances and momentum... You don't want the PP to be a momentum boost for the other team every time, like the Hawks' PP.</p>


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The Hawks aren't scoring at even strength, so they need to fucking capitalize on some of the PPs.</p>


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Detroit and Boston, UNLIKE the Hawks, are scoring even strength. So scoring on the PP isn't as important.</p>


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Do you ever agree with any criticism against this team, or is there an excuse for everything? The PP is a problem. Period. You have to be in denial or just blind not to see that.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Do you ever say anything positive about the team...ever?  Or are you just such a miserable, unhappy person...you need something else in your life to ***** about?</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

 Oduya plays a great gm 1...and you still cry about a puck that he cleard up the boards that hit a defenders shin guard that could have created a chance.  Nevermind the blocked shots/chances versus Datsyuk he had during the game</p>


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If there's nothing to fucking ***** about...you'll find something.  Must be pathetic to go through life like that</p>

 

[Pez68]

I'm perfectly happy. Thanks for your concern though. I'm just extremely critical of this team and the way they are coached. They are better than they have played, and I don't see ANY issues with pointing that out. You, however, seem to think there should be an excuse for every little bit of criticism levied against them. Especially when it in any way reflects upon the coaching staff.</p>


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Are you saying that the PP hasn't been a problem? At what point is it a problem, if it's not a problem after three years? When they go 1 for the series and get eliminated, scoring a goal a game in the proces? They went 1 for 19 last season against Phoenix. Was the PP not a problem last season in the playoffs either?</p>


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At what point is Q to blame for not playing Sharp at center instead of guys like Bolland and Handzus? I'm having a really hard time finding positives when it comes to this coaching staff, because they seem to be unable to recognize even the most obvious things and make the most simple adjustments.</p>


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Your take on that Oduya play is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The guy makes a terrible decision and attempts to clear the puck (NOT up the boards, but pretty much right up the middle) and he flips it right into the forechecker's shin pads. The puck then pops right out in front of the net, and DOES result in a scoring chance. It was a terrible play and a perfect example of the type of play people roast Oduya about. Again, though, you don't see it that way, for whatever reason. You played hockey. You know damn well that you can make 10 good plays during a game and wipe all of those out with a single bad one...</p>

 

[Pez68]

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Do you ever say anything positive about the team...ever?  Or are you just such a miserable, unhappy person...you need something else in your life to ***** about?</p>
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Oduya's biggest problem is the play he made at the end of the game, where the puck went RIGHT onto the opponent's stick in the slot... He had another pretty terrible turnover shortly before he scored as well. He has to eliminate that brutal turnover from his arsenal. He has at least 2-3 of those every game. He's been fortunate enough to this point that it hasn't ended up in the back of the net, but he won't always be so lucky. Other than that, he has played well.</p>


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I think Roszival has been one of the Hawks' best defenders through the playoffs so far. Seabrook, aside from saving that goal last night, has been pretty terrible. Is he hurt? He's slow as shit out there and I've never seen him fall down as much as he has recently. He got knocked off the puck by Nyquist last night too, which should never happen... He just looks completely off. Hammer continues to be a rock, Leddy continues to play well, and Keith has been Keith for the most part.</p>


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Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, and Saad looked fantastic. Carcillo was a total waste out there, and Handzus is still absolutely brutal. Shaw and Bickell were pretty much invisible, aside from the two bad penalties. Kruger 0/11 in the circles was especially hard to watch. Currently 35% in the playoffs, and 6/27 on the PK... He has to get better. I have no idea how the Hawks' PK is as good as it is, when he loses pretty much every single faceoff to start the PK.</p>


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Yep, nothing but negative commentary... It is called being objective.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Yet you refuse to ever acknowledge the rest of Oduya's good play.  You cannot accept the fact he's better than you give him credit for.</p>


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At what point is it the players responsibility to execute on the PP? When they make completely shitty decisions with the puck?  You think he tells them to pass at the feet?  Really?</p>


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Q coached a team that was the best at 5on5 all year...but that's because he has good players..yet now, it's Q's fault that -</p>


Toews - ppg/+28....and 3 assists and even in the playoffs</p>


Saad - 27pts/+17...and 1assist and -1 in the playoffs</p>


Sbrok - 8g/20pts +15..and 0pts and -3 in the playoffs</p>


Bolland - 3gms in the playoffs....0pts -2, 10PIMs</p>


Hossa - 1g, -2 in this series</p>


Leddy - 18pts/+15 reg season...2pts and -5 in the playoffs</p>


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But it's always Q and Oduya.  Q shuffle lines last few years (while trying to get players playing with different players)...and it's "he's shuffling lines too much".  He keeps lines together...and its "why doesn't he put this guy with that guy".</p>


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In other sports...say football.  When the DB Moore for Denver lets Jones get behind him for the half - is the John Fox's fault?  They had prevent called, the safety should've played back - but the player made a shitty choice and didn't execute.  Or is Tom Coughlin an amazing coach - because Manning through that hail mary pass and Tyree makes an incredible play - if he drops that, NY loses...and Coughlin sucks. The pass to Manningham in the other superbowl that was ridiculous. Players make the play...and now Coughlin writes books about being a champion.</p>


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I'm saying the players at some point have to have some accountability.  Oduya and Roszival have had a pretty good playoffs (aside from last game/goal 2).  Yeah, a clearing puck goes off shin guards...happens to Chara too. Chara made 2-3 shitty plays at the end of the game vs NYR in not clearing the puck. But Oduya's positives have clearly outweighed any negatives in his game.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

I thought Oduya had a great season but trailed off toward the end and hasn't been very good in the playoffs. But that's just my eyeballs.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

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Yep, nothing but negative commentary... It is called being objective.</p>
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It's fine and my bad. I'll stfu...if I don't want to read it, i can block it/don't have to respond</p>

 

[Pez68]

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Yet you refuse to ever acknowledge the rest of Oduya's good play.  You cannot accept the fact he's better than you give him credit for.</p>


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At what point is it the players responsibility to execute on the PP? When they make completely shitty decisions with the puck?  You think he tells them to pass at the feet?  Really?</p>


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Q coached a team that was the best at 5on5 all year...but that's because he has good players..yet now, it's Q's fault that -</p>


Toews - ppg/+28....and 3 assists and even in the playoffs</p>


Saad - 27pts/+17...and 1assist and -1 in the playoffs</p>


Sbrok - 8g/20pts +15..and 0pts and -3 in the playoffs</p>


Bolland - 3gms in the playoffs....0pts -2, 10PIMs</p>


Hossa - 1g, -2 in this series</p>


Leddy - 18pts/+15 reg season...2pts and -5 in the playoffs</p>


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But it's always Q and Oduya.  Q shuffle lines last few years (while trying to get players playing with different players)...and it's "he's shuffling lines too much".  He keeps lines together...and its "why doesn't he put this guy with that guy".</p>


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In other sports...say football.  When the DB Moore for Denver lets Jones get behind him for the half - is the John Fox's fault?  They had prevent called, the safety should've played back - but the player made a shitty choice and didn't execute.  Or is Tom Coughlin an amazing coach - because Manning through that hail mary pass and Tyree makes an incredible play - if he drops that, NY loses...and Coughlin sucks. The pass to Manningham in the other superbowl that was ridiculous. Players make the play...and now Coughlin writes books about being a champion.</p>


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I'm saying the players at some point have to have some accountability.  Oduya and Roszival have had a pretty good playoffs (aside from last game/goal 2).  Yeah, a clearing puck goes off shin guards...happens to Chara too. Chara made 2-3 shitty plays at the end of the game vs NYR in not clearing the puck. But Oduya's positives have clearly outweighed any negatives in his game.</p>
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The PP has a lot of issues. Personnel, player execution, and setup.. All three are to blame for the struggles. The coaches are responsible for two out of the three. If the coaches are telling you to run the PP a certain way, that's how you run the PP... If they are telling you where guys setup, that's where the guys setup... How is the PP strategy and personnel in any way on the players?</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BQ5_CiTo0</p>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn3PMgOT2Zs</p>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSnAzxI8B0</p>


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Game 4's was good tonight but it really went after Toews lol. Post when it comes up on youtube</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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Wings in 7.</p>
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I think people are underestimating the Wings and this will go down to the last game. Hope I'm wrong, but why is it mandatory to pick the Hawks?</p>
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Hawks are well rested too. Wings? Not so much.</p>
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How did all that rest do in game 1 for the Heat against the Bulls?</p>


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I'd have to say the Hawks/Wings are a far closer match up than Heat/Bulls.</p>
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Man... I really hope the Hawks can win a couple games so it's not Wings in 5 or 6.</p>


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Sorry... my pick went with reality, not homerism.</p>

 

[roshinaya]

You going to suck your own dick in every thread?</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Nah just proving I was right after all the flak I got.</p>

 

[roshinaya]

So basically sucking your own dick.</p>