A Tribute to Keith Bogans

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Keith, I don't think that you'll be getting many of these, so you might want to save this one...maybe even buy a frame or something.



You came to the Bulls this past summer, signing for about $400,000 over the league minimum and about 1/3 of the amount that your fellow new Bulls' shooting guards, Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer, were getting. Although new Bulls Head Coach Tom Thibodeau was a fan dating back to your brief time together in Houston, most observers figured that you'd be nothing more than veteran depth on a young team that while improved, wasn't expected to make any kind of loud noise on the 2010-11 NBA scene.

Of course, you worked hard to prepare yourself for the coming season, same as always, and play whatever role coach Thibs wanted you to play. Since you'd been around the NBA block a time or two, you knew about Chicago and its fans. Great sports town, love their teams and have a particular fondness for "blue collar" type players who may not be the most talented, but give it their all when they're out there...definitely your kind of fans.



The Trouble "Starts"



Late September comes around and you find that Brewer is still suffering from the hamstring injury he suffered last season. As a result, Thibs puts you in the starting preseason lineup and you're absolutely shooting lights out...over 50% for field goals and a kinda crazy 50% on 3-pointers. Your preseason true shooting percentage, one of those new high-tech scoring efficiency stats, is an absolutely ridiculous 70%, by far the best on the team...hell, it was probably some kind of world record. Yeah, you didn't score a lot, but Thibs didn't really want you to. Besides, how many points are you gonna to score when you only take 3 or 4 shots a game?



All in all, things had started off very, very nicely.



The regular season begins and Brewer's still not ready so Thibs keeps you in the starting lineup. Your team, who most experts pick as the 4th or 5th best in the Eastern Conference, faces a positively brutal early schedule...damn near all playoff teams and most of 'em on the road. Big-money free agent forward Carlos Boozer busted his hand and will miss the first month...great. In early December, the Bulls are barely above .500 and it appears that you wasted all of your shooting mojo on the preseason. You're shooting an anemic 37% from the field, and as the starting squad's designated spot-up 3-point specialist, you're converting a pathetic 26% from the arc.



Brewer's back and he's playing more minutes than you, but he's taken exactly one three-point shot for the season and apparently this isn't what Thibodeau wants from his starting shooting guard. Korver's shooting well, but it seems that the only thing that makes Thibs sicker to his stomach than watching Kyle Korver try to defend opposing guards is watching a tired Kyle Korver try to defend guards...so he limits Korver's minutes and keeps trotting you out there with the starting unit. The natives are getting restless and looking for someone to blame. For an increasing number of Bulls' fans, you're that someone. Your poor shooting and low scoring numbers are clearly among the reasons they've pinned a "Kick Me" sign on your backside, but the fact that you're a starter seems to be what the fans and media just can't get over.



And yeah, I was one of 'em.



You deserved a lot of the criticism. I mean, you truly were playing poorly on offense. Still, we were kind of silly to put so much emphasis on the fact that you got to have your name and college announced at the beginning of games. The truth was that you were a sub who just so happened to play his minutes at the beginning of each half.



Everything Changes...Well, Not Everything



It was December 4th, you were coming off a loss to the Celtics the previous night and hosted the Houston Rockets. The Bulls blew a lead, but came back to win in overtime. You had an OK game, scoring 6 points on only 3 shots in your typical 16 minutes. It wasn't pretty, but having lost 5 of your last 8 and 3 of your last 4, it was just good to get the W. Even being the blame-magnet you had become, no one could fault you for failing to see that your team was about to go on one of the most improbable runs in the history of Chicago sports.



The Rockets win was the start of a 7-game winning streak that the team built into a 14-2 stretch. Early in the new year, we looked up to find that the Bulls had pretty much locked up the NBA's Central Division. The team was back where we thought they should be. Fans were more or less content and the media was writing nice things, particularly about Thibodeau and the team's freshly-minted superstar Derrick Rose.



Maybe it was because all the newfound Bulls' love was being directed elsewhere, but you got none of it. Instead, this was when the hypothetical "How good would the Bulls be if they only had a real starting shooting guard instead of Bogans?" gained what would become an enduring popularity. Nobody seemed to notice that you had re-discovered your shooting touch during the team's year-end turnaround...probably because you were still only scoring 4-6 points a night.



Losses at New Jersey and Philly calmed folks down a bit, but then the team got crazy. We all know the rest of the story. Beginning with that early-December OT victory over Houston, the team went an incredible 53-12 to finish with 62 wins, best in the league. In the process, the Bulls were THE story of the 2010-11 NBA season, Rose became a lock for the MVP award, Thibs started clearing a place on the mantle for his Coach of the Year trophy and even long-time whipping boy Luol Deng was being mentioned for postseason defensive honors.



Alas, while it's a great time to be a Bull, if you're into acclaim from your fandom, it's still not that great to be Keith Bogans.



Sorry Man, You Did OK



Last summer, the announcement of your signing pretty much elicited a group yawn. Those who had heard of you knew you were a classic NBA journeyman...a defensive specialist who seldom made mistakes, could hit your share of open 3s and was a positive veteran presence in the locker room. You've been pretty much as advertised and the fans might have embraced you if not for Thibodeau sticking in the starting lineup. In any case, once you became the starter you stayed there, starting all 82 regular season games.



Like the Bulls, your season can be divided into two parts...the 17 games before that Houston overtime win and the 65 games after it. In those last 65 games, you quietly were a positive force on defense and even put up some pretty nice offensive numbers. You didn't score much (4.4 points per game), but you had a very good reason...you didn't shoot much (3.6 shots per game). Keeping in mind that you only averaged 17 minutes per game over those last 65, it seems fair to point out that you actually averaged a more respectable 9.4 points per-36 minutes.



Even including those awful first 17 games, while you didn't score much, you were very efficient and pretty darn accurate. Your 38.0% from the three-point line was 3rd on the team behind only Korver and C.J. Watson and well above the league average of 35.8%. Your effective field goal percentage of 55% was second only to center Omer Asik (and damn near all of his shots were dunks) and only Joakim Noah and Korver posted a better "true shooting percentage" than your 56%.



Oh yeah, your 1.0 turnovers per-36 minutes were the lowest on the team.



Regardless of what the fans and media say, given the nature of the Bulls roster, the team needed you to have a good season and you did. Were you a critical reason for the Bulls' surprising success? No, but you did contribute both by what you did (defense and accurate shooting) and what you didn't do (take stupid or forced shots, turn the ball over or miss games).



So I apologize for what I said about you early in the season...you're a pro and you've given us the best you have. And while just about everyone continues to look forward to the day that you're no longer starting for the Bulls, here's hoping that come June, you've got some new jewelry to wear. No one can take that away from you.



Tom Nossem



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Bogans ..... The D Korvers missing, and the 3 point shooting Brewer lacks.
 

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even though i didn't read anything other than the title, some1 should write an article thanking aaron gray, grey? who cares. get to it. we need to thank some of the other \ decent 9th(10th if you count kurt thomas) men on our rosters.


I think we're all dying to see how much we play him in the playoffs. i don't think we're going to change our rotation. Bill simmons and fred pfiefer all seem to think bogans will be gone for the playoffs. I just don't see it coming.

i get the hint of sarcasm, but this article is a shining example of why stats can lead astray. For anyone who thinks bogans was anything other than a trainwreck, you're wrong. We've adjusted to living with the train wreck knowns as bogans, but he's still the worst starter in the history of starters.
 
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Bogans ..... The D Korvers missing, and the 3 point shooting Brewer lacks.

you know bogans still makes some of the dumbest fouls in the nba. His defense is decent positional defense, but it's not the caliber that would warrant his ability to stay on the floor.

Also, his shooting ability, although it's rebounded from the abysmal state it was in during the first half of the season, still isn't good enough to warrant staying on the floor. He's really not good enough to give more looks to than 3-4 a night, and giving a guy so few looks creates such a burden upon the other players on the floor. It creates the burden by increasing the amount of pressure on them as well as increasing the amount of workload they have to perform. Sadly, the situation doesn't change too much with brewer out there.

really shams article about how very befuddling bogans' existance in the nba is, has to be one of the better descriptions of bogan's skills set.

One of my biggest concerns is that bogans will continue to play in the playoffs. We don't need depth in the playoffs. We need ronnie brewer and kyle korver. I dont care if bogans plays in the pacers series, but i'm not a bogans fan for the 2nd round.
 
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... it's not the caliber that would warrant his ability to stay on the floor.

True, but he doesn't stay on the floor. He only plays 15 minutes per game. It just happens to be with the starters (mostly). The other 33 minutes per game, he's riding the bench.

I like it that way. The Bulls have plenty of offense with Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah to pick up his slack, and he provides better defense than Brewer or Korver could.

Do you want him on the floor with the bench players where he would be expected to handle more of the scoring load? I sure don't.

The Bulls have the best record in the NBA with their 3 headed shooting guard. It would be nice if they had a star sg but they don't (this year). Given what they have to work with this is the best option. They won't do better than an overall 1 seed by not starting Bogans. That's as high as it goes.

"If it ain't broke ..."
 

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True, but he doesn't stay on the floor. He only plays 15 minutes per game. It just happens to be with the starters (mostly). The other 33 minutes per game, he's riding the bench.



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here are the reasons why i don't like this argument

1. this one is the weaker argument

he's a starter. he starts the game. The thing about being a starter is that you're going up against tougher competition than the bench. Here's a glaring example, playing against kobe vs playing against shanon brown. who do you want keith bogans matching up against?
The starters are just better competition than the bench. Putting bogans in the starting lineup forces bogans to play against significantly better talent.

2. this is the stronger argument

bench players play bench minutes. In essence this means that bench players play sporadic minutes. By putting a bench player in the starting lineup, you're guaranteeing that the player will get x number of minutes. For example on a given night, kyle kover or cj watson might play 10 minutes, 20 minutes, or they might not play at all. By putting bogans in the starting lineup, you're ensuring that bogans that bogans plays. This isn't a bench quality. Imagine if bogans didnt start the games. how many minutes do you think he'd play a night? More importantly, do you think it's a given whose playing those 'bogans minutes'? I certaintly don't think it's bogans. Cause if you're playing off the bench, you have to earn those minutes that you play. If cj isn't playing hard defense, passing the ball, and hitting his shots; cj watson isn't playing that night. The same isn't true about bogans. In essence starting bogans, cuts into the minutes of more deserving players.
 

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I like it that way. The Bulls have plenty of offense with Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah to pick up his slack, "

In the playoffs when the defense picks up, Do you trust bogans in the lineup? Cause i sure as hell don't. He's going to make it a hell of a lot tougher on rose, deng, and a hobbling noah.

and he provides better defense than Brewer could.

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you believe that? seriously? wow.

Do you want him on the floor with the bench players where he would be expected to handle more of the scoring load? I sure don't.
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i don't like bogans playing at all. i'd rather have butler out there. at least he can shoot.

The Bulls have the best record in the NBA with their 3 headed shooting guard. It would be nice if they had a star sg but they don't (this year). Given what they have to work with this is the best option. They won't do better than an overall 1 seed by not starting Bogans. That's as high as it goes.

"If it ain't broke ..."

the bulls have the number 1 seed inspite of bogans. They played their worst lineup significant minutes. The bulls korver, rose, boozer, noah, and deng lineup is clearly the best lineup for the playoffs. The brewer, rose, boozer, noah, and deng lineup isn't bad either. I'd argue the bogans lineup is broken. If it's not broken now, it will be for the playoffs.

how can we really entertain the idea of starting bogans? People, just because we consistently say the 3 headed sg monster is a good idea, it doesn't magically become one.
 

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In the playoffs when the defense picks up, Do you trust bogans in the lineup? Cause i sure as hell don't. He's going to make it a hell of a lot tougher on rose, deng, and a hobbling noah.


you believe that? seriously? wow.


i don't like bogans playing at all. i'd rather have butler out there. at least he can shoot.



the bulls have the number 1 seed inspite of bogans. They played their worst lineup significant minutes. The bulls korver, rose, boozer, noah, and deng lineup is clearly the best lineup for the playoffs. The brewer, rose, boozer, noah, and deng lineup isn't bad either. I'd argue the bogans lineup is broken. If it's not broken now, it will be for the playoffs.

how can we really entertain the idea of starting bogans? People, just because we consistently say the 3 headed sg monster is a good idea, it doesn't magically become one.

I can't believe this is still an argument. Butler over Bogans is just......just.....no.

If Bogans can hit 40% of his 3pt attempts like he did during the season, what complaints are there? Korver is worse defensively by a sizable margin. Bogans can guard Wade, Granger, Allen, Lebron, Pierce...any of those guys because he has the size and speed to keep up.

They've won 62 games with what they have done...I believe Thibs said he is NOT shortening the rotation at this time. So Bogans is going to start, I think...
 

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butler for bogans during the regular season is fine with me.

Not playing bogans nor butler during the post season is the way to go.
 

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There's no way you throw Butler out there... just no. That's really borderline crazy. Think of all the guys you are FORCED to give minutes to if you are Tom Thibodeau... not EVEN including Keith Bogans... 4 other starters... plus Gibson, Watson, Brewer (he'll be back), Korver, and either Asik or Thomas. That's 9 guys when most teams trim their rotation down to 8.

Do. not. start. Butler.
 

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butler for bogans during the regular season is fine with me.

Not playing bogans nor butler during the post season is the way to go.

Butler can't guard the chair I'm sitting in. Don't understand your logic at all...
 

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Butler can't guard the chair I'm sitting in. Don't understand your logic at all...



my argument is don't play bogans in the playoffs. just stop doing it. it's not a good lineup. nothing indicates that it's a good lineup. why are we still willing to do it? I don't want butler playing either, so stop bringing up butler.

Are you that afraid of dunleavy and brandon rush that we need to start bogans? really? we need bogans mediocre defense against dunleavy and brandon rush? Cause i think you start korver against the pacers. Live with his defensive, and thrive with his offense.

I also think you play brewer and korver significant minutes against the magic. against the heat, more korver and brewer. just stop playing bogans. stop it. he's a bad player. we don't need a bad player in our staring lineup. i can't imagine the Special person argument for continuing to play bogans. i just can't.

i don't understand the myth that bogans plays good defense. he doesn't. he plays mediocre defense. On top of he mediocre defense, he makes more dumb fouls than any other player on the bulls. against the pacers, bogans gave the pacers 8 pts in 2 minutes.
 

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Butler can't guard the chair I'm sitting in. Don't understand your logic at all...

if butler was playing 7 minutes a night against a bench 2guard, who cares about his defense during the regular season. he's only out there to eat up minutes. More importantly, don't play butler during the post season. he sucks. bogans sucks too. stop playing bad players during the post season. Play them during the regular season to eat up some minutes. stop playing them during the post season. it's a really simple mantra.
 

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if butler was playing 7 minutes a night against a bench 2guard, who cares about his defense during the regular season. he's only out there to eat up minutes. More importantly, don't play butler during the post season. he sucks. bogans sucks too. stop playing bad players during the post season. Play them during the regular season to eat up some minutes. stop playing them during the post season. it's a really simple mantra.

Thibs wants to go with the winning formula. I don't blame him. If Bogans plays...he plays. If the Bulls lose, as I said during the season, Bogans most likely WONT be the reason why. There are a lot of other things to worry about going into the playoffs than Bogans.

Brandon Rush doesn't scare me. Richradson, Allen, Wade, Kobe, etc. do. Bogans is a better option against those wing players than Korver defensively. I think that is all Thibs cares about. Bogans should play solid defense and hit his threes. That is what he did this season, and the Bulls would win 62 games...I don't think he is in the way at all...
 

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my argument is don't play bogans in the playoffs. just stop doing it. it's not a good lineup. nothing indicates that it's a good lineup. why are we still willing to do it?


umm......62-20?

I don't understand it either, but it's worked so far. Good enough for me.
 

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