[A] Watch Your Back: Full Roster; Trades Coming

[Lampshade_gurl]

It'll be sad when all three leave but I don't want Bolland to go

I'd prob miss him the most cause I got a cute pic of me and him

.....but honestly he's the best player out of the three.

 

[The Count Dante]

Not Davie...



I mean, he is the only jersey I still own that is actually an active Hawk!



Now my buddies will be right: Every jersey I buy gets that guy traded.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Saad might be able to step in on the 2nd line LW. Maybe it will be Morin's chance to move up too.



Sooner or later you gotta give the kids a chance to see what they can do.

Saad isn't a top 6 forward yet, and quite honestly that's where he needs to play. He isn't going to see enough ice time playing on the third or fourth line in order to develop enough. As it stands now I think he plays another year in the OHL, get him the ice time he needs and let him get better there by putting up monster numbers.



Now that's all dependent on what kind of camp Saad has, if he improves as quick as he did last year than you could have a potential rookie of the year candidate.



Morin might get his chance, but it's easier to make moves during the offseason than during the season. If you give Morin the chance, he better work or Scooter is going to be screwed (sound familiar?). That's why I'd rather find someone to plug in one of those top two lines whether at C or LW. Morin will get plenty of chances to show what he can do this year between camp and injury call ups, he's not ready to just be promoted into a top 6 role though.

 

[Pez68]

Frolik is soft? Should be in Europe? Stupid? Where do you come up with this shit?



Stalberg has no hockey sense, his shot is worse. Dead into the goalies chest or over the net. You put Frolik with Kane and you have a nice line right there as well. Problem is Frolik is a RW, not a LW which Stalberg plays.



Frolik is a skilled forward, not a 4th line forward. The fact that he's 24 only shows that he still is young and he's going to get better. How does Stalberg get better? Not much room. His upside isn't as large as Froliks. Put Frolik on a team that isn't heavy on RW and he gets your 20 goals easily. NHL size? This isn't 1994 anymore Pez, you don't have to be a large guy to score points.



If Stalberg had any hockey sense his potential would be higher, but with Frolik having the hockey sense and being 2 years younger, he has the better outlook. Stalberg had a good year, but how many guys have a good season playing with star players and then fall off the face of the Earth?

Frolik has decent hockey sense, and that's it man. Stalberg's shot might not be that accurate, but at least he shoots hard and can cause rebounds. Frolik has one of the weakest shots I have ever seen. If you aren't a shooter, you better be a setup guy. Frolik is NOT a setup guy, either.



Again, what does he do really well? What is the trait that separates him from being a third liner or a top six player on a contender? He is weak in the corners and gets knocked off the puck easily. He's not a good forechecker. He's not physical. He doesn't have a good shot. He doesn't create space for others, or set up goal scorers. He doesn't block shots or crash the net. He can't kill penalties all that well, and doesn't play the PP.



Three points in four games in the playoffs. Wow, that a great sample size. How about the 63 games during the regular season in which he completely sucked ass? Five goals and ten assists and the second worst plus minus amongst Blackhawks forwards. He had the worst shooting percentage of all Blackhawk forwards. Took 117 shots and was able to pot 5 of them. For comparison, Bolland took 126 shots and potted 19 of them.... Frolik has played 91 games with the Hawks, and has 24 points to show for it, and a -10. His shooting percentage over that time is 3.8.



You are ignoring the fact that Frolik brings NOTHING that the Blackhawks need in their top six, and plays a position they are STACKED at. He is a top six player on a shitty team, and that's it. He doesn't fit in with this team's top six based on their skillsets, and what the top six is lacking. Which is why he is useless to the Blackhawks unless he can be a good third liner. Which he showed last season, he could not.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Frolik has decent hockey sense, and that's it man. Stalberg's shot might not be that accurate, but at least he shoots hard and can cause rebounds. Frolik has one of the weakest shots I have ever seen. If you aren't a shooter, you better be a setup guy. Frolik is NOT a setup guy, either.



Again, what does he do really well? What is the trait that separates him from being a third liner or a top six player on a contender? He is weak in the corners and gets knocked off the puck easily. He's not a good forechecker. He's not physical. He doesn't have a good shot. He doesn't create space for others, or set up goal scorers. He doesn't block shots or crash the net. He can't kill penalties all that well, and doesn't play the PP.



Three points in four games in the playoffs. Wow, that a great sample size. How about the 63 games during the regular season in which he completely sucked ass? Five goals and ten assists and the second worst plus minus amongst Blackhawks forwards. He had the worst shooting percentage of all Blackhawk forwards. Took 117 shots and was able to pot 5 of them. For comparison, Bolland took 126 shots and potted 19 of them.... Frolik has played 91 games with the Hawks, and has 24 points to show for it, and a -10. His shooting percentage over that time is 3.8.



You are ignoring the fact that Frolik brings NOTHING that the Blackhawks need in their top six, and plays a position they are STACKED at. He is a top six player on a shitty team, and that's it. He doesn't fit in with this team's top six based on their skillsets, and what the top six is lacking. Which is why he is useless to the Blackhawks unless he can be a good third liner. Which he showed last season, he could not.

Frolik is a skilled forward, hence why he isn't going to be bottom six forward. He's like Vrbata but with more skill and potential.



He see's the ice well, has good hands and is a good passer. He won't hurt you in your own zone and he wasn't a bad PK guy. He should of been on the power play. He was in a major funk obviously goal scoring wise and he never got a chance to get out of it.



I brought up my "sample size" because Stalberg played with Kane and or Toews all season and got great minutes. Frolik played with Mayers about 1/3 into the season. You put Frolik with Kane and Toews and you watch his production go up.



Stalbergs shot is awful. You don't get many rebounds when you put it in the goalies stomach, if you even hit the net. At least Frolik has a nose for the net and get's things set up, Stalberg just hopes Kane gets the puck to him.



If Frolik can fill out a bit more (I wouldn't be surprised if he comes into camp stronger and a bit heavier) he could be a dangerous player.

 

[supraman]

Not Davie...



I mean, he is the only jersey I still own that is actually an active Hawk!



Now my buddies will be right: Every jersey I buy gets that guy traded.

I DEMAND you buy a Stan Bowman and John McDonough jersey IMMEDIATELY, Also a burnette, oduya, Frolik, Olesz, and Hammer jersey

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Saad isn't a top 6 forward yet, and quite honestly that's where he needs to play. He isn't going to see enough ice time playing on the third or fourth line in order to develop enough. As it stands now I think he plays another year in the OHL, get him the ice time he needs and let him get better there by putting up monster numbers.



Now that's all dependent on what kind of camp Saad has, if he improves as quick as he did last year than you could have a potential rookie of the year candidate.



Morin might get his chance, but it's easier to make moves during the offseason than during the season. If you give Morin the chance, he better work or Scooter is going to be screwed (sound familiar?). That's why I'd rather find someone to plug in one of those top two lines whether at C or LW. Morin will get plenty of chances to show what he can do this year between camp and injury call ups, he's not ready to just be promoted into a top 6 role though.

I don't know if you can send Saad back. He dominated the OHL this past season, I don't know if there is anything left for him to prove/learn. Bowman has a tough decision with that one.

 

[Pez68]

Frolik is a skilled forward, hence why he isn't going to be bottom six forward. He's like Vrbata but with more skill and potential.



He see's the ice well, has good hands and is a good passer. He won't hurt you in your own zone and he wasn't a bad PK guy. He should of been on the power play. He was in a major funk obviously goal scoring wise and he never got a chance to get out of it.



I brought up my "sample size" because Stalberg played with Kane and or Toews all season and got great minutes. Frolik played with Mayers about 1/3 into the season. You put Frolik with Kane and Toews and you watch his production go up.



Stalbergs shot is awful. You don't get many rebounds when you put it in the goalies stomach, if you even hit the net. At least Frolik has a nose for the net and get's things set up, Stalberg just hopes Kane gets the puck to him.



If Frolik can fill out a bit more (I wouldn't be surprised if he comes into camp stronger and a bit heavier) he could be a dangerous player.

Good hands? Good passer? Wasn't a bad PK guy? I saw none of that watching him play last season.



Frolik played more than half the season with Bolland and Bickell, and was a major reason that line sucked as badly as it did. Only when Shaw came up was Frolik demoted to the fourth line or scratched. He was actually healthy scratched more than he played on the fourth line, so I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about as far as opportunities are concerned. He was given ample opportunity this season on the third line, and did absolutely nothing with it. Look at his TOI for the first 20-30 games. He was being given PLENTY of icetime sometimes upwards of 18-22 minutes. He has been in a "major funk obviously goal scoring wise" for two years now. At what point is it no longer a funk? At what point do you realize that maybe Frolik put up those numbers only because he was on a terrible team, in a terrible division, playing top six minutes and getting PP time? Is it any surprise that Florida moved him as soon as they had better top six options, and moved him for a fourth liner at that?



Stalberg's shot is awful, and still infinitely better than Frolik's, so I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I remember Stalberg burying a lot more pucks than Frolik the past two seasons.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

We obviously are not seeing the same thing.



I'll wait to see what next season brings. At this point arguing over one season isn't fair for either player.

 

[IceHogsFan]

I still can't believe we are going to see another year of line juggling.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

I don't know if you can send Saad back. He dominated the OHL this past season, I don't know if there is anything left for him to prove/learn. Bowman has a tough decision with that one.

I'll definitely agree he has nothing to prove at the OHL level, but he might have to go back there simply by default. He's not likely to get the ice time he needs to at the NHL level. Unfortunately I don't think he can play in the AHL because of his age, which is really a shame cause that would be the perfect place for him next year IMO.

 

[Rex]

he will be able to play in the AHL.

 

[MassHavoc]

I don't care who goes at this point as long as we get the better of the trade. Seriously. Anyone if it makes the team better. Even if that means Toews. It would suck but I would be happy he got out before the dickbags at the top ruined the prime of his career with stupid moves and pathetic teams.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

he will be able to play in the AHL.

I forgot he had a late birthday.



So yes, he is eligible for the AHL because he will be 20 (October 27th) before December 31st (cut off date).

 

[Rex]

I forgot he had a late birthday.



So yes, he is eligible for the AHL because he will be 20 (October 27th) before December 31st (cut off date).

that and he played in the US Development league, like Jeremy Morin. He could have been eligible last year.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

that and he played in the US Development league, like Jeremy Morin. He could have been eligible last year.

That isn't true.



Saad was drafted out of the CHL. He is part of the NHL-CHL agreement because when he was selected by the Hawks, he was currently on Saginaw and had played an entire season for them.



Morin was drafted out of the NAHL and then went and played for Kitchener after being drafted by the Thrashers. Had Morin been playing for Kitchener the year before and was on the Rangers when drafted, he would have had to wait till he was 20 of played 4 year of Major Junior.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Forgot about his late birthday as well, but I guess that's good because I think he needs some quality AHL time. It'll help him to learn how to be a professional as well as getting him more quality ice time.

 

[Rex]

That isn't true.



Saad was drafted out of the CHL. He is part of the NHL-CHL agreement because when he was selected by the Hawks, he was currently on Saginaw and had played an entire season for them.



Morin was drafted out of the NAHL and then went and played for Kitchener after being drafted by the Thrashers. Had Morin been playing for Kitchener the year before and was on the Rangers when drafted, he would have had to wait till he was 20 of played 4 year of Major Junior.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Forgot about his late birthday as well, but I guess that's good because I think he needs some quality AHL time. It'll help him to learn how to be a professional as well as getting him more quality ice time.

Just have him be KANER's roommate.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Knowledge is power!



No biggy, I get lost on the CBA shit as well.