Aaron Rodgers not expected at mandatory minicamp

[truthbedamned]

Flight is in the air and scheduled to land in Green Bay at 12:03.

Why are we tracking a flight from Modesto Ca to Green Bay? Most people are not even aware that a jet can take off from Modesto Airport. And Aaron is not even in the vicinity.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Yes, why not? Both have the same financial implications to Rodgers. Rodgers best counter move would be to sit out TC, report to the team prior to the start of the season, play 6-7 games to acrue the minimum numbers of games to fulfil his obligation for the year, and then fake or over exaggerate an injury.

It’s already being reported that Rodgers doesn’t want to play for the Packers again. So why would he A) Accept fines from the organization only to B) Show up, play 6-7 games and “fake” and injury.

He would be better off to retire and sit the year and force the Packers to trade him him when/if he returns.

 

[Nelly]

If he's in his 20s or early 30s, I feel like you call his bluff. He's 37. He likely only has a couple more years in him. Send him to an AFC team and get a shit ton of draft capital, and his salary off your books.

Maybe I'm undervaluing him because I don't know what having a HOF QB is like, but I feel like you get as much for him as you can at some point. Although, that point might be next offseason. But then he'll be 38, and I would guess his value would drop a bit? Fuck, I don't know. All I do know... is fuck the Packers.

At the same time, teams can't just give in to what players are demanding. Other players see that and then think they can get away with the same shit. The Packers are pretty much doing the only thing they can do at this point and not giving into his bullshit yet. Make him hold out from training camp and make him sit out from regular season games and cost himself that coin to prove he's serious. If he is, then you can look at trading him and you'll still get a hell of a lot of return back or force him to retire if he hates you that badly. Otherwise, call his bluff, get a good year out of him and then trade him from a position of more strength this upcoming off season before the draft.

 

[nc0gnet0]

It’s already being reported that Rodgers doesn’t want to play for the Packers again. So why would he A) Accept fines from the organization only to B) Show up, play 6-7 games and “fake” and injury.

He would be better off to retire and sit the year and force the Packers to trade him him when/if he returns.

Your not very good at this are you?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Your not very good at this are you?

There is no answer for the situation right now. So I can say the same thing right back at you!

 

[nc0gnet0]

There is no answer for the situation right now. So I can say the same thing right back at you!

Not true.

If Aaron Rodgers retires, GB still owns his rights if he decides to return. In either scenario, should he retire or get traded he will then cost the Packers 14.5 mil in dead money, and currently GB only has about 6.5 mil in cap space.

There is a minimum number of games a player must play in order to accrue what would be considered a season. If Aaron Rodgers retires, he still hasn't achieved anything, if he wants to play again for someone else. It would be just like Eddie Goldman sitting out last year for Covid, his contract just gets set back a year.


At least if he were to retire, or sit out, Green bay could choose to demand back of portion of the Signing bonus and restructure bonus, and that money could be then added back to the cap (after all the legal proceedings/arbitration). So in either scenario, (trade/retire) GB is forced to now create another 14.5 mil in cap space THIS YEAR, and they have already restructured a good portion of their highest paid players.

It's called the "Barry Sanders" rule.

 

[Canth]

Seems mandatory minicamp will be easier to excuse than training camp. I imagine they will find an excuse for minicamp. Training camp will be harder to justify and both GB and Rodgers will be pretty dug in in their stance at that point.

(xi) Unexcused failure to report to or unexcused departure from mandatory offseason minicamp—maximum fine of $15,515 for the first missed day, $31,030 for the second missed day, and $46,540 for the third missed day (e.g., a player who misses all three days of minicamp may be fined up to $93,085).

(vii) Unexcused late reporting for or absence from preseason training camp by a player under contract signed as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 9—man-datory fine of $50,000 per day, plus one week’s Paragraph 5 Salary for each preseason game missed. For the avoidance of doubt, any such fines shall be mandatory, and shall not be reduced in amount or waived by the Club, in whole or in part, but must be paid by the player or deducted by the Club as provided in Section 5(b) of this Article.

As an aside, how the heck did the players agree to that for the new CBA? To make it so that teams could not waive fining them for missing training camp? Did they get anything in return for allowing that to be added?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Not true.

If Aaron Rodgers retires, GB still owns his rights if he decides to return. In either scenario, should he retire or get traded he will then cost the Packers 14.5 mil in dead money, and currently GB only has about 6.5 mil in cap space.

There is a minimum number of games a player must play in order to accrue what would be considered a season. If Aaron Rodgers retires, he still hasn't achieved anything, if he wants to play again for someone else. It would be just like Eddie Goldman sitting out last year for Covid, his contract just gets set back a year.


At least if he were to retire, or sit out, Green bay could choose to demand back of portion of the Signing bonus and restructure bonus, and that money could be then added back to the cap (after all the legal proceedings). So in either scenario, (trade/retire) GB is forced to now create another 14.5 mil in cap space THIS YEAR, and they have already restructured a good portion of their highest paid players.

It's called the "Barry Sanders" rule.

Yeahhh there is still no answer the the situation and you repeated what I already said about retirement. Great answer!

 

[nc0gnet0]

Yeahhh I’m there is still no answer the the situation and you repeated what I already said about retirement. Great answer!

It’s already being reported that Rodgers doesn’t want to play for the Packers again. So why would he A) Accept fines from the organization only to B) Show up, play 6-7 games and “fake” and injury.

But he does not want to retire. If he plays the minimum number of games, the year counts towards fulfilling his contractual obligations. This is why you have seen players in the past sit out half a year and come back.

He would be better off to retire and sit the year and force the Packers to trade him him when/if he returns.

You don't get it. Rodgers, by announcing his retirement, puts into play the Barry Sanders rule, in which the team could, in theory, come back after Rodgers for portions of both his signing and restructure bonus's, plus, any guaranteed money is then forfeited. His rights are still owned by Green bay should he "unretire".

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

It’s already being reported that Rodgers doesn’t want to play for the Packers again. So why would he A) Accept fines from the organization only to B) Show up, play 6-7 games and “fake” and injury.

But he does not want to retire. If he plays the minimum number of games, the year counts towards fulfilling his contractual obligations. This is why you have seen players in the past sit out half a year and come back.

He would be better off to retire and sit the year and force the Packers to trade him him when/if he returns.

You don't get it. Rodgers, by announcing his retirement, puts into play the Barry Sanders rule, in which the team could, in theory, come back after Rodgers for portions of both his signing and restructure bonus's, plus, any guaranteed money is then forfeited. His rights are still owned by Green bay should he "unretire".

Rodgers seems pretty fed up with the Packers to the point he might not want to ever put a jersey on for them again. So in that case, he very well could “retire”.

I do get it. I don’t think Rodgers is at all worried about his finances. And yes the Packers would own his right if he would come back from “retirement” but in what world do you think he would play for the Packers again? They would again be forced to trade him and get any type of compensation at that point. Rodgers holds the power here, not the Packers FO.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Rodgers seems pretty fed up with the Packers to the point he might not want to ever put a jersey on for them again. So in that case, he very well could “retire”.

I do get it. I don’t think Rodgers is at all worried about his finances. And yes the Packers would own his right if he would come back from “retirement” but in what world do you think he would play for the Packers again? They would again be forced to trade him and get any type of compensation at that point. Rodgers holds the power here, not the Packers FO.

Your wrong, it is a little like the MAD doctrine and nuclear detente. Rodgers only holds the upper hand if he is completely willing to never play again under any jersey.

And it has nothing to do with money, rather legacy and pride.

I honestly don't think anything happens, and Rodgers is with the Packers this year. This is all about next year. At best, Rodgers sits out half the season and returns when he has to, to accrue a full season on his contract. Right now his value is about as low as it will be, and he would hold more value to the packers next year in a trade scenario.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Your wrong, it is a little like the MAD doctrine and nuclear detente. Rodgers only holds the upper hand if he is completely willing to never play again under any jersey.

And it has nothing to do with money, rather legacy and pride.

So now the Packers can’t trade Rodgers in my hypothetical situation?

I really don’t think he cares about his legacy and pride. You’re wrong.

 

[nc0gnet0]

So now the Packers can’t trade Rodgers in my hypothetical situation?

I really don’t think he cares about his legacy and pride. You’re wrong.

Can't? I never said that.
Won't, that is what I am saying.

How do they create the cap space needed to trade him?

Tell me

I really don’t think he cares about his legacy and pride. You’re wrong.

You think this is all about money?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Can't? I never said that.
Won't, that is what I am saying.

How do they create the cap space needed to trade him?

Tell me

I really don’t think he cares about his legacy and pride. You’re wrong.

You think this is all about money?

I can’t tell you because I’m not the Packers GM. I don’t pay attention to their salary cap.

I already said he has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with Rodgers possibly not wanting to be in a Packers uniform again. He does not have to worry about his pride or legacy.

 

[iueyedoc]

Not true.

If Aaron Rodgers retires, GB still owns his rights if he decides to return. In either scenario, should he retire or get traded he will then cost the Packers 14.5 mil in dead money, and currently GB only has about 6.5 mil in cap space.

There is a minimum number of games a player must play in order to accrue what would be considered a season. If Aaron Rodgers retires, he still hasn't achieved anything, if he wants to play again for someone else. It would be just like Eddie Goldman sitting out last year for Covid, his contract just gets set back a year.


At least if he were to retire, or sit out, Green bay could choose to demand back of portion of the Signing bonus and restructure bonus, and that money could be then added back to the cap (after all the legal proceedings/arbitration). So in either scenario, (trade/retire) GB is forced to now create another 14.5 mil in cap space THIS YEAR, and they have already restructured a good portion of their highest paid players.

It's called the "Barry Sanders" rule.

You are interpreting it incorrectly. They gain $22.85M in cap space if he is traded or $16.05 M if cut or retired. His cap hit $37M right now and would drop to $14M or $21M depending on if they or another team would be responsible for the roster bonus.

 

[iueyedoc]

Can't? I never said that.
Won't, that is what I am saying.

How do they create the cap space needed to trade him?

Tell me

I really don’t think he cares about his legacy and pride. You’re wrong.

You think this is all about money?

You clearly don't understand how the salary cap works.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

You clearly don't understand how the salary cap works.

Haha maybe he was trying to “troll” me but like any other time on this website failed miserably.

 

[nc0gnet0]

You are interpreting it incorrectly. They gain $22.85M in cap space if he is traded or $16.05 M if cut or retired. His cap hit $37M right now and would drop to $14M or $21M depending on if they or another team would be responsible for the roster bonus.

you sure?

His base is only 14.7 mill the total of his signing, roster, restructure exceeds his base.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

It’s already being reported that Rodgers doesn’t want to play for the Packers again. So why would he A) Accept fines from the organization only to B) Show up, play 6-7 games and “fake” and injury.

He would be better off to retire and sit the year and force the Packers to trade him him when/if he returns.

The simple answer is millions of dollars.

If he retires, he loses the 2021 money owed him, he is still under Packers control (the 2021 season does not count for his contract) and the whole thing goes one more year before something happens.

If he shows up and is "injured" after 6 games, the Packers have to pay his 2021 salary, the 2021 season is taken off his contract and the Packers already are into year one of playing Love. He is one step closer to being gone and is millions of dollars richer.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

At the same time, teams can't just give in to what players are demanding. Other players see that and then think they can get away with the same shit. The Packers are pretty much doing the only thing they can do at this point and not giving into his bullshit yet. Make him hold out from training camp and make him sit out from regular season games and cost himself that coin to prove he's serious. If he is, then you can look at trading him and you'll still get a hell of a lot of return back or force him to retire if he hates you that badly. Otherwise, call his bluff, get a good year out of him and then trade him from a position of more strength this upcoming off season before the draft.

And if he decides to be "injured" in 2021, this takes away any value that the Packers could have gotten for him.