Addressing the SG Situation

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Okay...let's get everything out there. Bogans is next to no good. Brewer is an defensive asset, but offensive liability, and Korver is a shooting specialist who needs to come off the bench. Half the board wants 'Melo, the other half doesn't want to part w/ what it would take to get him.

So my question to the board: assuming we were willing to give up a 1st round pick in next year's draft (we have two, I believe), who would you be willing to go after that would be attainable w/ a #1 pick and Bogans/Brewer + another scrub like Johnson?

I was looking through the list of the top 30 SGs entering this season...and none of the names really jump off the page at you. Redick is there, but the Magic aren't going to part w/ him...James Harden is good, but I don't see the Thunder making any big moves w/ their nucleus being strong...

Who is attainable for what you think the Bulls would be willing to part with?


Please, Please do not turn this into a 'Melo thread...

 

[yopolakyo]

id like ben gordon back lol even though i know thats not gonna happen.. i mean hes coming off the bench in detroit and he would start in chicago

 

[FirstTimer]

'Melo doesn't really play the 2 anyways.

 

[MRN]

id like ben gordon back lol even though i know thats not gonna happen.. i mean hes coming off the bench in detroit and he would start in chicago

Ben Gordon is the exact opposite of what the Bulls need. He gets his numbers by being the main offensive option, he would take away shots from Rose and Boozer.

 

[houheffna]

OJ Mayo is who I would want them to get. I don't know if he is available though.

 

[MRN]

OJ Mayo is who I would want them to get. I don't know if he is available though.

I honestly doubt he will be available this season, they still have to be waiting him to hit full development. That would be a waste of a draft pick just to deal him out.

I feel like Chris Douglas Roberts or Courtney Lee would be the ideal pieces. CDR played with Rose at Memphis and we should have taken him in the draft anyways. Courtney Lee seems to be traded often, and I think he could really stick here in Chicago. Neither are going to take shots away from our core offensive production, but both will be solid starters for us. Doing all the little things and playing hard, while not being a gaping hole on either side of the court. Which seems to be what we have right now. Korver can light it up, but gets burned on defense. Brewer can play defense, but is a wasted spot on offense. Bogans is just absolutely terrible all around (IMO). We need a steady balance at the shooting guard spot.

 

[Shakes]

I think you need to look at the parameters of the situation that management is working with.

a) Can't create a hole to fill a hole. This means that Rose/Deng/Boozer/Noah/Gibson probably can't go out in a trade unless it's for someone really good, or we're getting other players back in addition to the SG.
b) Our pick has low value. The Bobcats pick has some value, but as a trade chip it's weak: for it to get full value the protection has to expire, and any GM making a trade can't bank on being around to see the rewards of their trade.
c) Can't take on too much future salary. With Boozer, Deng & Noah already on big contracts, and Rose up for one shortly, and the uncertainty with the CBA, adding another highly paid player seems unlikely unless it's someone who would give you a significant chance to win this year.
d) Any player we're talking about has to actually be better than Brewer & Korver.

Now the problem I see is that there is no player who meets all these criteria right now. If you look at the popular targets:

Thornton, Rudy, Lee: Better than Brewer & Korver? Probably not.
Mayo: How do we get him with the assets we have?
Ben Gordon, Martin: Big contracts but not players that are likely to put you over the top

I think all you can do is bench Bogans, start either Brewer or Korver (probably Korver at this point, as he's someone who seems to work better with the current offense), and see how things work out once Boozer is up and running. Keep an eye on making a trade if something comes up, but plan on finishing the season with the group we have, because that's the most likely scenario.

 

[Rush]

All I know is that I don't follow basketball as closely as some of you guys do and even I realize the glaring problem at the 2 spot. Bogans ridiculous lack of production would be addressed at any other level of basketball...even high school.

 

[Anytime23]

James Johnson for D-Wade and future picks... if not then see if you can make a play for Mayo. I really like Xavier Henry, i really wish there was a chance of us drafting him. Im not really sure whos on the block out there. There were cheap options that i was praying to God for the Bulls to sign. Wesley Matthews, Anthony Morrow, Shannon Brown, etc etc. Keith Bogans is an abortion to NBA basketball. The only reason why i dont see Brewer starting is to be another spark off the bench.

Oh and Melo isnt a SG so thats a problem.

 

[MRN]

James Johnson for D-Wade and future picks... if not then see if you can make a play for Mayo. I really like Xavier Henry, i really wish there was a chance of us drafting him. Im not really sure whos on the block out there. There were cheap options that i was praying to God for the Bulls to sign. Wesley Matthews, Anthony Morrow, Shannon Brown, etc etc. Keith Bogans is an abortion to NBA basketball. The only reason why i dont see Brewer starting is to be another spark off the bench.

Oh and Melo isnt a SG so thats a problem.

:clap:

Wes Matthews might be available, I think he'd be a great fit. Too bad the Bulls never end up doing what the fans want.

 

[X]

I honestly doubt he will be available this season, they still have to be waiting him to hit full development. That would be a waste of a draft pick just to deal him out.

I feel like Chris Douglas Roberts or Courtney Lee would be the ideal pieces. CDR played with Rose at Memphis and we should have taken him in the draft anyways. Courtney Lee seems to be traded often, and I think he could really stick here in Chicago. Neither are going to take shots away from our core offensive production, but both will be solid starters for us. Doing all the little things and playing hard, while not being a gaping hole on either side of the court. Which seems to be what we have right now. Korver can light it up, but gets burned on defense. Brewer can play defense, but is a wasted spot on offense. Bogans is just absolutely terrible all around (IMO). We need a steady balance at the shooting guard spot.

Personally, I love the idea of either Courtney Lee or CDR...and I agree, I was screaming at the TV when the Bulls didn't draft him in the 2nd round when they had the chance :facepalm:

 

[Shakes]

:clap:

Wes Matthews might be available, I think he'd be a great fit. Too bad the Bulls never end up doing what the fans want.

Wesley Matthews wont be available, Brandon Roy has no knees, they're not going to trade away their backup plan at SG.

 

[pinkizdead]

I say screw it. Let's hope brewer, korver, and bogans get in into some freak basketball accident during practice. After Said accident, we go ROBOCOP on your sg position. Taking all the best parts from brewer-athleticism and defensive instincts, Korver- shooting and hair, and bogans- thibs playing him. Combine them all into an awesome player that only responds to the command of Thib's voice.

Also as an added benefit, we take all the crappy parts from the players Bogans- coach playing him, Brewer - shooting, and korver's- athleticism to create a FRANKENbuddy for JJ on the bench.

 

[pinkizdead]

Wesley Matthews wont be available, Brandon Roy has no knees, they're not going to trade away their backup plan at SG.

how awesome would it have been if we did get mathews

JAZZ IN THE EAST!

 

[Crystallas]

Just to add to this list of theoretical and dreamer transactions. Nick Young would be my #1 choice.

I think we can afford Nick(or at least have better chances to keep him after the CBA and Rose extensions), and I also think Washington is juggling their commitments and existing depth in the backcourt.
Young is a mid-risk/mid-reward trade. Nothing blockbuster. He's like a poor mans JR Smith, without the headcase and less shot/stat hogging.

 

[Shakes]

Nick Young was a scrub before this year, I'm not sure I'd read a lot into his recent run of good play. The problem with it is if he continues to play well Washington probably keep him, if he doesn't then we don't want him.

 

[houheffna]

:clap:

Wes Matthews might be available, I think he'd be a great fit. Too bad the Bulls never end up doing what the fans want.

Portland just got him, and he is working for them right now. Roy is breaking down, they are not trading him.

People who think the Bulls don't have enough assets to get Mayo might want to reconsider. The team was in the running to get Melo, Mayo would come at a considerable lesser amount.

 

[Venom]

Bogans is just awful, and Brewer and Korver aren't bad. We need to give up Bogans because he's not helping us at all. I'd take Melo', but we would have to give up a whole lot for him and then in the long run it's not going to help us

 

[Crystallas]

Nick Young was a scrub before this year, I'm not sure I'd read a lot into his recent run of good play. The problem with it is if he continues to play well Washington probably keep him, if he doesn't then we don't want him.

Usually young players need time to develop. Young was showing flashes by the end of last season, and he's getting a little more consistent this year. Like I said, it's a mid-risk/mid-reward move. Plus he's long, tall, and fast and still young, pretty reasonable market to trade him again if need be.

 

[X]

Portland just got him, and he is working for them right now. Roy is breaking down, they are not trading him.

People who think the Bulls don't have enough assets to get Mayo might want to reconsider. The team was in the running to get Melo, Mayo would come at a considerable lesser amount.

Though Mayo would be an excellent acquisition on the surface, there's some questions about it. Is his game too much like Rose's? Is he attainable for a first, Bogans/Brewer and Johnson? Would you be willing to give up Bogans, a 1st, AND a 2nd for him?