Alexei Ramirez Extended

[DewsSox79]

You could hit 300 and be one of the least productive hitters in baseball.
I.e. Juan Pierre

I wouldnt go that far.

 

[poodski]

I wouldnt go that far.

I would. 300 hitter and still around a 670 OPS that's not good. Pierre's only asset are his legs.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

What? Did you even read me post? How else would you like to evaluate the trade?

I guess we could use he Dewey/CO rating scale. If my GM did it it's great! If the other teams did it sucks!

It's a fair deal for both sides it's certainly nit a steal by any means for the white sox.

Totally agree on all points, fair deal for sure.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

I would. 300 hitter and still around a 670 OPS that's not good. Pierre's only asset are his legs.

The only thing i disagree with, and this might be splitting hairs but, his worth is his legs. although i agree on all other points you have made. Pierres Batting numbers be it avg, OPS, OBP are "empty". So, depending on how you value speed would determine his worth. but, again, i totally get what you are saying, but, "worthless" is a bit strong.

 

[Jntg4]

Ya, good deal for both sides.

 

[DewsSox79]

I would. 300 hitter and still around a 670 OPS that's not good. Pierre's only asset are his legs.[/QUOTE]

there is nothing wrong with that, just wish he could lower his CS% and raise his OBP a bit.

 

[poodski]

The only thing i disagree with, and this might be splitting hairs but, his worth is his legs. although i agree on all other points you have made. Pierres Batting numbers be it avg, OPS, OBP are "empty". So, depending on how you value speed would determine his worth. but, again, i totally get what you are saying, but, "worthless" is a bit strong.

Worthless is a bit strong you are right. He is just simply below average. Though as a corner OF you could say he is pretty worthless. CF his bat would hold up though.

As far as his legs last year he was 10 runs above average which was second best in the majors. While that was probably a one year anomaly he is still above average overall with his legs.

 

[DewsSox79]

Worthless is a bit strong you are right. He is just simply below average. Though as a corner OF you could say he is pretty worthless. CF his bat would hold up though.

As far as his legs last year he was 10 runs above average which was second best in the majors. While that was probably a one year anomaly he is still above average overall with his legs.

Not unless the bat is supplemented by another position that doesnt have the so called "bat holding up" shit.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

Worthless is a bit strong you are right. He is just simply below average. Though as a corner OF you could say he is pretty worthless. CF his bat would hold up though.

As far as his legs last year he was 10 runs above average which was second best in the majors. While that was probably a one year anomaly he is still above average overall with his legs.

For sure, as a corner outfielder you would expect more from him. the issue with using your legs to provide "value" as an offensive player is the fact that the speed can go away in an instant then worthless is the perfect word

 

[Captain Obvious]

What I don't get is why did he get more PAs hitting 2nd than anywhere else in the line up? He should not be hitting anywhere in the top 5.

 

[poodski]

For sure, as a corner outfielder you would expect more from him. the issue with using your legs to provide "value" as an offensive player is the fact that the speed can go away in an instant then worthless is the perfect word

Yeah I agree. A knee injury or an ankle tweak can kill you. Also with BR numbers his eqBRR seems to vary quite often.