Arctic Ice Melting To All Time Low

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Saw this article and thought I would post it. Haven't seen this debated on here for a little while. I know the majority on here think that global warming and climate change are a myth. I was just wondering if anyone's opinion has changed as a result of the weather that has occurred here and around the globe over the past year or so,.









The sea ice in the Arctic Ocean has melted to its smallest point ever in a milestone that may show that worst-case forecasts on climate change are coming true, US scientists said.

The extent of ice observed on Sunday broke a record set in 2007 and will likely melt further with several weeks of summer still to come, according to data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the NASA space agency.

The government-backed ice center, based at the University of Colorado at Boulder, said in a statement that the decline in summer Arctic sea ice "is considered a strong signal of long-term climate warming."

The sea ice fell to 4.10 million square kilometers (1.58 million square miles), some 70,000 square kilometers (27,000 square miles) less than the earlier record charted on September 18, 2007, the center said.

Scientists said the record was all the more striking as 2007 had near perfect climate patterns for melting ice, but that the weather this year was unremarkable other than a storm in early August.

Michael E. Mann, a lead author of a major UN report in 2001 on climate change, said the latest data reflected that scientists who were criticized as alarmists may have shown "perhaps too great a degree of reticence."

"I think, unfortunately, this is an example that points more to the worst-case scenario side of things," said Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University.

"There are a number of areas where in fact climate change seems to be proceeding faster and with a greater magnitude than what the models predicted," Mann told AFP.

"The sea ice decline is perhaps the most profound of those cautionary tales because the models have basically predicted that we shouldn't see what we're seeing now for several decades," he added.

Arctic ice is considered vital for the planet as it reflects heat from the sun back into space, helping keep down the planet's temperatures.

The Arctic region is now losing about 155,000 square kilometers (60,000 square miles) of ice annually, the equivalent of a US state every two years, said Walt Meier, a scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

"It used to be the Arctic ice cover was a kind of big block of ice. It would melt a little bit from the edges but it was pretty solid," Meier told reporters on a conference call.

"Now it's like crushed ice," he said. "At least parts of the Arctic have become like a giant slushie, and that's a lot easier to melt and melt more quickly."

The planet has charted a slew of record temperatures in recent years, with 13 of the warmest years ever taking place in the past decade and a half, along with extreme weather ranging from severe wildfires in North America to major flooding in Asia.

Researchers have also reported a dramatic melt this summer on the ice sheet in Greenland, which could have major consequences for the planet by raising sea levels.

Scientists believe that climate change is caused by human emissions of carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions.

But efforts to regulate emissions have faced strong political resistance in several nations including the United States, where industry groups have said that regulations would be too costly for the economy.

Kumi Naidoo, the executive director of Greenpeace who on Monday intercepted a Russian ship in the Arctic, said the ice melt showed that the planet was "warming up at a rate that puts billions of people's future in jeopardy."

"These figures are not the result of some freak of nature but the effects of man-made global warming caused by our reliance on dirty fossil fuels," he said in a statement.

Shaye Wolf of the Center for Biological Diversity pressure group called the record ice melt "a profound -- and profoundly depressing -- moment in the history of our planet."

The melt has rapidly changed the politics and economics of the Arctic region, with shipping companies increasingly eager to save time by sailing through the once-forbidding waters.

Data released Monday by the Washington-based Center for Global Development found that nations including China, India and the United States were reducing the intensity of their carbon emissions but that the effort was overwhelmed by the surge in power consumption in developing nations.
 

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Well I've always thought global warming was a real concern. Yet I'm not sure how we stop it. The solutions aren't great, the main way to stop it being nuclear power. But then that poses issues too. Natural gas could help but you wonder about the way they get that now. But it is clear something is not right with the weather.
 

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i am concerned for the habitats that are diminishing like for the Polar Bears
 

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i am concerned for the habitats that are diminishing like for the Polar Bears

There is getting to be so little ice that they have to swim for miles and they get exhausted and drown. You can't tell me that is normal. Polar bears never had to do that before. And trees and flowers are blooming early. Also birds migration patterns are getting messed up. Something not right is going on.
 

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Well I've always thought global warming was a real concern. Yet I'm not sure how we stop it. The solutions aren't great, the main way to stop it being nuclear power. But then that poses issues too. Natural gas could help but you wonder about the way they get that now. But it is clear something is not right with the weather.
Nuclear power would only help a small amount. A 1/3 of green house gas emissions come from raising livestock, especially cattle.
 

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Nuclear power would only help a small amount. A 1/3 of green house gas emissions come from raising livestock, especially cattle.

Apparently, allowing cattle to graze en masse is also a big problem now as wild grass is a huge part of the atmospheric cleansing system, which we know large forests are a part of.
 

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Nuclear power would only help a small amount. A 1/3 of green house gas emissions come from raising livestock, especially cattle.

Cattle poo and the emissions from it are a bad, bad thing.
 

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<facepalm>



The article is false; prior to the last ice age, the earth had no permanent ice caps for a long stretch of geological history...yet life went on.



I'm all for good stewardship and not shitting in your own playpen when it comes to the environment (something humanity is very good at), but I just wish people would knock the alarmist attitudes off.
 

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<facepalm>



The article is false; prior to the last ice age, the earth had no permanent ice caps for a long stretch of geological history...yet life went on.



I'm all for good stewardship and not shitting in your own playpen when it comes to the environment (something humanity is very good at), but I just wish people would knock the alarmist attitudes off.



They tend to forget this place was once a ball of lava and then later almost completely covered in ice.
 

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And that part of northern IL has glaciers on it.
 

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And that part of northern IL has glaciers on it.

Not to mention the Puget Sound and the Wilamette Valley (for my neck of the woods).
 

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Last year there was a bunch of hulla-balloo aboot a glacier on Greenland that suppossedly had melted away to historic proportions. And then low and behold, someone produced pictures taken of it during the 30s and 40s and it was worse.



Every few years they get epiplectic aboot chunks of ice the size of Delaware breaking off in Antartica as well until someone points out the long history of the same thing happenning for 100s of years..



Some glaciers are shrinking while others are growing.



It's summer, shit melts. It will freeze again soon.



Just think of it as Natural selection/evolution at work.
 

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Last year there was a bunch of hulla-balloo aboot a glacier on Greenland that suppossedly had melted away to historic proportions. And then low and behold, someone produced pictures taken of it during the 30s and 40s and it was worse.



Every few years they get epiplectic aboot chunks of ice the size of Delaware breaking off in Antartica as well until someone points out the long history of the same thing happenning for 100s of years..



Some glaciers are shrinking while others are growing.



It's summer, shit melts. It will freeze again soon.



Just think of it as Natural selection/evolution at work.



NO WAY!! God made glaciers so he could ice his sore thumbs and arthritic joints. When they are melting it just means gods been doing more work than when they are freezing.
 

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P.S. Bri--don't think of my exasperation at the fact that you posted this article. I'm glad you did. My exasperation is that the "journalist" pulled out the "melting to the smalest point ever" as if it was actual fact.
 

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<facepalm>



The article is false; prior to the last ice age, the earth had no permanent ice caps for a long stretch of geological history...yet life went on.



I'm all for good stewardship and not shitting in your own playpen when it comes to the environment (something humanity is very good at), but I just wish people would knock the alarmist attitudes off.



Life goes on sure, but when has there ever been over 7 billion people on this planet? A climate change is going to affect a lot of people and that will put these people on the move and can the population shifts be handled without causing humanitarian disasters? That's why this is worrying so many.
 

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Oh I'm sure there will be disasters; I'm just not worried. We all gotta go someday.
 

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