Arctic Ice Melting To All Time Low

[BigPete]

Last year there was a bunch of hulla-balloo aboot a glacier on Greenland that suppossedly had melted away to historic proportions. And then low and behold, someone produced pictures taken of it during the 30s and 40s and it was worse.



Every few years they get epiplectic aboot chunks of ice the size of Delaware breaking off in Antartica as well until someone points out the long history of the same thing happenning for 100s of years..



Some glaciers are shrinking while others are growing.



It's summer, shit melts. It will freeze again soon.



Just think of it as Natural selection/evolution at work.

And what exactly was going on in the 1930s and 1940s in the mind of someone professing anthropogenic climate change? Um a shit ton of steel production to make tanks and ships and planes maybe?????? Last time I checked steel production requires extremely high temps and that requires the burning of fossil fuels which POLLUTES the atmosphere!

 

[winos5]

Temperatures fluctuate up and down. The fossil record demonstrates that throughout history without the benefit of anthropogenic climate change theory.



I have a hard time believing climate change studies given their propensity to suppress non-supportive studies and open discussion , massage data and make unsubstantiated ridiculous claims.



Assuming I'm in the wrong, I doubt it's the catastophe it being made out to be for politically motivated reasons.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Nuclear power would only help a small amount. A 1/3 of green house gas emissions come from raising livestock, especially cattle.

Corn production (and it's uses as fuel as well), along with Cattle are thought to be the top two causes of greenhouse gasses according to a 10 year study done by about 30 colleges worldwide (I'll try to get a link to it). The study stated that reducing both in half would reduce green house gas emissions by almost 40% worldwide.

 

[sth]

http://news.yahoo.com/billions-tons-methane-lurk-beneath-antarctic-ice-171320560.html



This is an interesting article. As with all scientific research it can be debated. But if this happened it would not be good.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

http://news.yahoo.co...-171320560.html



This is an interesting article. As with all scientific research it can be debated. But if this happened it would not be good.

Sounds like an untapped source of fuel!

 

[supraman]

Sounds like an untapped source of fuel!

Make cars run on it and bring back old school muscle cars

 

[the canadian dream]

the global warming debate is the most bias special interest based debate of them all. when ever a debate about natural resources come up its always going to be riddled with false info from all sides. effects to many sectors of our societies and always has.



hard one to get any real light on because we have manipulated it and put our bias into so much its now become a running joke. we fucked this one up real good.



i support anything the aboriginal communities and cultures say regarding mother nature. they make the most sense to me now. white man knows shit about the trees is my modo

 

[winos5]

Antartic sea ice sets another record

 

[MassHavoc]

Antartic sea ice sets another record

Very interesting, I don't know the science well enough to comment with knowledge on this but it does kinda of show on the surface that the fear mongering is indeed the point of the debate. I wonder if they could compare the data between the two pools and show that their is relational data that shows as one shrinks the other grows and it's a normal phase shift? Or if that will just be trumpeted as the point of CLIMATE CHANGE.... it's changing from one pole to the other. Thanks for posting.

 

[MassHavoc]

i got this rebuttle on facebook from your post....



Why Antarctic ice is growing despite global warming - environment - 20 April 2009 - New Scientist



I laughed a little because it was over 2 years old, but then realized it was even funnier that this issue is not new at all and they've been writing about it since then, I guess the original author didn't research well enough.

 

[winos5]

33 years actually according to the report I posted.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm not sure which part you are responding to.

 

[winos5]

I'm not sure which part you are responding to.

33 straight years of above average antartic sea ice levels, according to those stats cited in the article I posted.



Edit: 33 years of growing sea ice levels