Arm strength - Deshaun Watson is woefully bad

[Bearly]

How many top tier QB's have that weak of an arm? Don't worry I'll wait.

Glennon had the same measurement and is known as a good downfield thrower with an above average arm. Here's the thing about the combine velocity #. It's not these guys lining up and firing in front of a gun at max velocity. Their throws are measured during drills and may not represent their actual maximum velocity. It was reported that Watson put more on his throws at his pro day, probably for that reason. I don't think that day's velocity # has been reported.

The only QBs that have established themselves as top tier since the velocity measurement began in 2008 are Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, and Andy Dalton. That's it in 8 years of the measurement. Attributing it solely to arm strength or that it's an absolute limiter is a false narrative. Most top QBs do meet the 54 mph minimum simply because they big strong guys but the cause and effect as presented as an absolute doesn't have nearly enough data points to be considered anything but hearsay.

 

[bearmick]

Glennon has a good arm imo. Which shows me that Watson's 49 mph doesn't mean much.

Anyone who's watched a Clemson game in the last two years knows that Watson can zip it. His arm strength isn't remotely an issue.

 

[BearsFan51]

Wait, so there's a weakness to Deshaun Watson's game that makes him a QB that likely wouldn't otherwise be drafted in the first round?

Funny that's what been said about ALL THE QUARTERBACKS since this evaluation process started. There isn't really a first round worthy QB in this class but based on sheer need and value they're going to be over drafted.

If you're comparing these guys to each other then Watson is the best in this class. If you're comparing these guys to past draft classes then this is a significantly​ weak QB class.

 

[Aesopian]

Ben Albright and a sports science group re did his number based on frame rate and had him at 53.

He also by a significant margin has the quickest release time, which means the ball he throws should arrive at a similar time to someone throwing harder.

Noted. Thanks Windy just hope the Bears don't screw this up today.

 

[westcoast bear fanatic]

Perhaps Watson was just displaying his offspeed pitches at the combine, they say those can be as effective as a good fastball because it keeps the batters timing off

 

[WindyCity]

Wait, so there's a weakness to Deshaun Watson's game that makes him a QB that likely wouldn't otherwise be drafted in the first round?

Funny that's what been said about ALL THE QUARTERBACKS since this evaluation process started. There isn't really a first round worthy QB in this class but based on sheer need and value they're going to be over drafted.

If you're comparing these guys to each other then Watson is the best in this class. If you're comparing these guys to past draft classes then this is a significantly​ weak QB class.

I do not think it is weaker than last years.

It does not have a Mariota or a Winston that is for sure.

 

[WindyCity]

Perhaps Watson was just displaying his offspeed pitches at the combine, they say those can be as effective as a good fastball because it keeps the batters timing off

1. Trying to be as accurate as possible

2. WRs you do not know

Couple reasons to back off the MPH a little.

 

[nc0gnet0]

1. Trying to be as accurate as possible

2. WRs you do not know

Couple reasons to back off the MPH a little.

So, your saying Watson can throw the ball with touch.....man that sounds terrible!!!!!

Throwing a fast ball over the back stop is so much more admirable............

Man, the dumb-ass's on this board....... (not directed at Windy)

 

[remydat]

In other belated news, the Japanese have bombed Pearl Harbor and the Germans have invaded Russia.

 

[Myk]

Was it over when the Gremans bombed Pearl Harbor? Not matter what.

 

[iueyedoc]

Ben Albright and a sports science group re did his number based on frame rate and had him at 53.

He also by a significant margin has the quickest release time, which means the ball he throws should arrive at a similar time to someone throwing harder.

You're talking out of your ass here.

His release time is 1/100th of a second faster than Kizer's and 6/100th faster than Trubisky by Sports Sciences measurement. Even giving that a DB reacts to first movement of the arm, which is specious at best, his lack of velocity ( the one actually measured) means a ball is getting to the receiver slower than a 55MPH throw after 15 air yards, if he has the .06 second head start. By QB drop and throw angles, pretty much every ball past 5-7 yrds beyond the LOS is in air further than that.

Whether it matters or not is up for debate, but if the numbers are true, the balls other than on slants are arriving later when thrown by Watson.

Versus Kizer his ball is trailing after traveling 2.33 yards.

 

[xer0h0ur]

You're talking out of your ass here.

His release time is 1/100th of a second faster than Kizer's and 6/100th faster than Trubisky by Sports Sciences measurement. Even giving that a DB reacts to first movement of the arm, which is specious at best, his lack of velocity ( the one actually measured) means a ball is getting to the receiver slower than a 55MPH throw after 15 air yards, if he has the .06 second head start. By QB drop and throw angles, pretty much every ball past 5-7 yrds beyond the LOS is in air further than that.

Whether it matters or not is up for debate, but if the numbers are true, the balls other than on slants are arriving later when thrown by Watson.

Versus Kizer his ball is trailing after traveling 2.33 yards.

When people spoke about his release time I always assumed it was based on film and watching how long the ball is in and out of his hand. I never presumed it to be only about the arm mechanic of ball release. In the NFL they never reference the arm mechanic and are always talking about release time in terms of getting the pass off...

 

[iueyedoc]

When people spoke about his release time I always assumed it was based on film and watching how long the ball is in and out of his hand. I never presumed it to be only about the arm mechanic of ball release. In the NFL they never reference the arm mechanic and are always talking about release time in terms of getting the pass off...

They were measuring from first movement to release. Sorta like the 40 for QB throwing motion. Velocity is down the list of important attributes in my opinion, as long as it is adequate, but the math is the math. His ball arrives later on any throw of moderate to long distance and to say otherwise is bullshit.
Watson max speed----71.2 ft/sec
Trubisky max speed---80.7 ft/sec
Kizer max speed-------82.1 ft/sec

 

[xer0h0ur]

So his comment had nothing to do with time in relation to snap to pass? I thought he was making two separate comments. One about some sports science shit giving a speed assessment and another comment about how long quarterbacks were holding onto the ball.

 

[Bearly]

Lots of interpolation in sports science anyway. You'll find some QBs release times vary so type of throw and if rushed could affect the #. It's about as accurately scientific as the Scorpion TV series. I wanted to like that geeky show but it's filled with alternate science.

 

[MrOuija]

Such a dumb thread. If Watson knew this was going to be an issue and that his fastest throw would be kept i'm sure he'd of just fired a 60mph ball 10 yards over his receivers head like Mahomes did.

 

[dbldrew]

My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who is going out with Ryan Pace's daughter and heard her father is definitely not serious about Watson.

Don't worry, Watson is not coming to the Bears

i hope your right. I think he has bust written all over him..

 

[PeterMbangala]

Nick Saban disagrees...strongly.

 

[Myk]

I want old noodle arm!

 

[bearmick]

i hope your right. I think he has bust written all over him..

More likely his name written on a bust.