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[bubbleheadchief]

Here's a question, how much research on his own did this guy do?

I don't know about anyone else on here that has served, but whenever it involved a bonus and me having to volunteer more time, I did the independent research, and did not take what I was told for face value. I have not heard of the DESP, not sure if it is Army only, so I can't make any comments on it, but I have to agree with Pete, sounds like the Iowa Guard is on the hook for this one, not the Army itself.

 

[TSD]

Here's a question, how much research on his own did this guy do?

I don't know about anyone else on here that has served, but whenever it involved a bonus and me having to volunteer more time, I did the independent research, and did not take what I was told for face value. I have not heard of the DESP, not sure if it is Army only, so I can't make any comments on it, but I have to agree with Pete, sounds like the Iowa Guard is on the hook for this one, not the Army itself.

It's probably unique to the Iowa Guard. The Illinois Guard had incentive programs unique to the ILARNG as well. Each states national guard is technically an independent entity, unlike the reserve which is part of the regular army. i.e. a state governor has to sign off on the federalization of their Guard units for active duty service overseas, so technically they could refuse.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

I knew that they were semi-independent of the Army, that they were a state's militia first, but could be federalized and called up. I however did not realize that each had their own incentives they could offer. Sounds to me as if the Iowa NG needs to do an IG/JAG investigation into improper practices by its Recruitment/Career Councilors.



Sitting here thinking about it, I recall reading several true accounts of guys after WWII and Korea that had been enlisted, negotiate their way to commisions with their states respective National Guard Units. WEB Griffin even used an account he had been told about in one of his books.

 

[TSD]

I knew that they were semi-independent of the Army, that they were a state's militia first, but could be federalized and called up. I however did not realize that each had their own incentives they could offer. Sounds to me as if the Iowa NG needs to do an IG/JAG investigation into improper practices by its Recruitment/Career Councilors.



Sitting here thinking about it, I recall reading several true accounts of guys after WWII and Korea that had been enlisted, negotiate their way to commisions with their states respective National Guard Units. WEB Griffin even used an account he had been told about in one of his books.

Recruiters are slimy bastards. Mine told me to lie about everything in association to like traffic tickets and stuff. I didn't lie, because I didn't see the point. The thing is they get themselves completely off the hook because at MEPS they make you sign a document saying your recruiter didn't tell you to lie about anything. So that tells me they are well aware of the shifty practices of their recruiters and make a point to clear them of any culpability. I am sure that many impressionable 17-18 year old kids do lie about things their recruiter tells them to, its really shitty.

 

[bri]

So I was talking to my grandma this morning and she was telling me my great aunt and uncle were suppose to leave for Florida this week, but not sure if they were going now because he has to go to a shrink this week because he has been having Vietnam flashbacks. He is 77 and is also in the early stages of Alzheimers. Not sure if the two are connected or not. I don't know if there were periods in his life where he suffered them before or not. I know very little about the actual Vietnam war, but when I think of it I think mostly Army and Marines. He was in the Navy and my mom said he was a cook, so am not sure what he may have experienced. I am not trying to diminish him in anyway. I'm sure he saw horrible stuff, just not sure what that involved.



My question is: Is this a common occurrence for soldiers/sailors to experience this after such a long time?

 

[bubbleheadchief]

You would have to go and do the research to find out. It is all really with the individual, my Dad has gone through a bout wiht depression, but it had nothing to do with his time in VN or service related at all. My dad was in the Navy for 23 years, and he was boots down in Viet Nam too.

 

[Tater]

I don't have an answer to your question, but wow!

An old Kerfuffle thread!

 

[LordKOTL]

My dad served in 'nam in the Air Force. Nothing related to PTSD or the like but then again, he was stationed in Okinawa and the closet he got to action was flying in a cargo plane full of body bags, and being chased by a couple of MiGs.

 

[CaveMan]

My father didn't have ptsd from his time in Vietnam or if he did, he hid it well. However the VA does believe alot of the agents used over there ( this is speculation mind you) affected his mind and body. They also believe that his cancer was derived from serving in Vietnam.



I did often ask him about his time there , but he woudn't speak of it. The one thing he did remember and share was all the protests he saw once he came back home.

 

[tvltre]

My father was drafted, however he tells me all the time he never went to war...played baseball for the Army in Germany was his thing. However, when he was watching platoon...say him turn ghost white and he came out of that movie totally soaked. So, maybe just knowing his friends or something caused that reaction.



Everyone is effected in some way by the stress of others. Just be supportive and thank him for serving and doing his part. Cooks are very important on those ships! Need to feed all the men who helped make a difference in some way or another.

 

[tvltre]

Anyone hear any more news on the F22? Will they ever go back into active duty?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPxk_A5YcxY&feature=autoplay&list=FLel1u4MAaRsiOAazhCCpNGg&lf=plpp&playnext=6

 

[jakobeast]

I was and will always be a fan of the F14.

 

[winos5]

A-10s are my favorite. Those bad boys kick ass.

 

[LordKOTL]

I was always a fan of the F-15 and the SR-71 myself. Can't beat raw speed.

 

[jakobeast]

A-10s are my favorite. Those bad boys kick ass.

The A10 is a close second. Its a military attack aircraft that is sub sonic, flys low and slow, and goes after tanks. Ballsy.



And the SR71? I can't believe that thing existed. Mach 3, stretches a foot or so in flight, never been shot down, and help stop a war. Now THAT'S a powerful plane.

 

[winos5]

A-10s don't fly, the earth rejects them bacuase they are ugly and mean.

 

[tvltre]

A-10s don't fly, the earth rejects them bacuase they are ugly and mean.

How is this Ugly!

Mean...HELL YEAH!!!