Baffoe: Jay Cutler's a Jerk

[Monsieur Tirets]

Weird. I thought he had met the 2td to 1int ratio that so many wanted. Must be a mistake.

not only is there far more to the QB position than that, but in todays NFL a 2:1 ration is nothing to get giddy about. its average at best. but by all means, if you want to pretend jay is suddenly the QB to lead this team to a championship despite the fact that hes playing exactly the same as he always has, go right ahead.

 

[Willis1524]

not only is there far more to the QB position than that, but in todays NFL a 2:1 ration is nothing to get giddy about. its average at best. but by all means, if you want to pretend jay is suddenly the QB to lead this team to a championship despite the fact that hes playing exactly the same as he always has, go right ahead.

Except he's not, but the only ones who can't admit that he looks better are the ones who just hate him. Is the better enough? No. But he is playing better. Admitting that doesn't mean you want to keep him. It's time to draft the QB of the future regardless of how he plays.

 

[Space Invader]

So you've got a 1 in 30 chance of finding a Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Rivers or Manning caliber QB over a 5 year period. I don't mind trying because you can't win if you don't play but the reality is that it's really hard to get a HOF QB.

All of those you mentioned have won the SB except Rivers. Then you figure E. Manning, Wilson, Rothlesberger, Flacco.

That's 8 QB'S CURRENTLY STARTING. Meaning a 25% chance to hit on a talent.

Personally, HOF shit is for the end of their career. I want a QB that wins consistently and gets the Bears to a/multiple SBs. 1st and worries about the latter later.

 

[MrOuija]

Weird. I thought he had met the 2td to 1int ratio that so many wanted. Must be a mistake.

It's a bit early to be touting Cutler's stats, especially on a 2-5 team. Give him time, those INTs are around the corner unfortunately, they always are. That said, last game was the best game he's played all year and maybe in the last couple years.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Except he's not, but the only ones who can't admit that he looks better are the ones who just hate him. Is the better enough? No. But he is playing better. Admitting that doesn't mean you want to keep him. It's time to draft the QB of the future regardless of how he plays.

how does he look better? His accuracy is still shit, and hes playing in an O asking very little of him? sure, the turnovers are down compared to last year, but so is his overall production. he looks like jay cutler, no more, no less.

alright, so, his mechanics might not break down as often and his pocket awareness seem improved a bit. i give you that, but it means very little in the end.

 

[airtime143]

Weird. I thought he had met the 2td to 1int ratio that so many wanted. Must be a mistake.

While that is fantastic, I would rather wait for the packers, rams and broncos games to be in the books before thinking he will achieve that.

He has been in this position before, and even better some years. history says keep a cool head and see what shakes out.

 

[Willis1524]

how does he look better? His accuracy is still shit, and hes playing in an O asking very little of him? sure, the turnovers are down compared to last year, but so is his overall production. he looks like jay cutler, no more, no less.

alright, so, his mechanics might not break down as often and his pocket awareness seem improved a bit. i give you that, but it means very little in the end.

Ways he looks better: he's not forcing throws into double and triple coverage, pocket awareness seems to have improved, taking what the defense is giving him instead of just chucking it up for grabs. He hasn't been the reason we've lost any games we have. The stats are down because of the type of offense being ran. That should have been expected in a ball control offense. Granted it's early in the season like Mrouija says, but we haven't had one of the multiple turnover meltdown games from him like usually have. May come against the Broncos though, but after what they did to Rodgers I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[gwharris2254]

I like the fact Cuckler is doing quite well this year.
Lets move his ass for a Texan #2 and #3 pick and be done with the MF

 

[Run the ball]

how does he look better? His accuracy is still shit, and hes playing in an O asking very little of him? sure, the turnovers are down compared to last year, but so is his overall production. he looks like jay cutler, no more, no less.

alright, so, his mechanics might not break down as often and his pocket awareness seem improved a bit. i give you that, but it means very little in the end.

Just like the Jefferey TD on Sunday, bad mechanics and a back foot throw .... Great catch, great pass(result) but a very low probability. We can't live like that as a football team or an offense.

However, stats aside, he is playing within the system better than he had in the past.

 

[gwharris2254]

Exactly. He will make awesome plays and regress into the Cuckler we all have come to know.
Gotta move his ass now that we can possibly get more for him.
He will never give us consistency and a championship

 

[airtime143]

Just like the Jefferey TD on Sunday, bad mechanics and a back foot throw .... Great catch, great pass(result) but a very low probability. We can't live like that as a football team or an offense.

However, stats aside, he is playing within the system better than he had in the past.

What is interesting to note is that the low risk low reward game has worked in the past... the first 6 games of 2011 are almost exactly what he has this year-
2011- 2015
attempts- 200-207
completions-120-128
yards-1476-1442
tds- 8-8
ints- 4-4
rating- 87.8-87.5


in 2011, those first 6 games were 3-3, and the passing defenses he faced were ranked 32nd, 30th, 26th, 24th, 22nd, and 20th.
This year, although early in the season overall so ranks may change, he has faced the 14th (green bay) 15th (arizona) 26th (oakland) 23rd (chiefs), 22nd (lions), and the 6th ranked vikings, and nothing exceptional so far.

He missed the game against the 3rd ranked seahawks, there is a game against the #1 ranked broncos and 7th ranked rams coming up as well as a game in lambeau. He has played 3 games as a bear in lambeau.. 2 games with 4 interceptions and his best game there last year, in which he had 1 td and 2 ints over the course of a 14-55 beating.

Cutler will have a pretty good game against the Chargers this week, the bears will likely win, and the board will be over run with Cutler love and I told you so's from the remaining fanboys.
Then, the 3 week stretch following that will bring everything right back to normal.

 

[Larsonite]

All of those you mentioned have won the SB except Rivers. Then you figure E. Manning, Wilson, Rothlesberger, Flacco.

That's 8 QB'S CURRENTLY STARTING. Meaning a 25% chance to hit on a talent.

Personally, HOF shit is for the end of their career. I want a QB that wins consistently and gets the Bears to a/multiple SBs. 1st and worries about the latter later.

Where are you getting 25% from?

I'm guessing an up to 8-10 qbs get drafted but I'd only include the top 6. Over 5 years that's 30 qbs.

The point was consistently playing to their contract. Cutler's contract is 15-20 and he plays to it. Expecting to draft a QB who will play better than Cutler is a 1 in 20 risk. I'm all for trying but it's easier to get rid of Cutler than it is to replace him.

Sent from a spaghetti monster circling the earth

 

[Run the ball]

What is interesting to note is that the low risk low reward game has worked in the past... the first 6 games of 2011 are almost exactly what he has this year-
2011- 2015
attempts- 200-207
completions-120-128
yards-1476-1442
tds- 8-8
ints- 4-4
rating- 87.8-87.5


in 2011, those first 6 games were 3-3, and the passing defenses he faced were ranked 32nd, 30th, 26th, 24th, 22nd, and 20th.
This year, although early in the season overall so ranks may change, he has faced the 14th (green bay) 15th (arizona) 26th (oakland) 23rd (chiefs), 22nd (lions), and the 6th ranked vikings, and nothing exceptional so far.

He missed the game against the 3rd ranked seahawks, there is a game against the #1 ranked broncos and 7th ranked rams coming up as well as a game in lambeau. He has played 3 games as a bear in lambeau.. 2 games with 4 interceptions and his best game there last year, in which he had 1 td and 2 ints over the course of a 14-55 beating.

Cutler will have a pretty good game against the Chargers this week, the bears will likely win, and the board will be over run with Cutler love and I told you so's from the remaining fanboys.
Then, the 3 week stretch following that will bring everything right back to normal.

I'm with you airtime, I'm just trying to throw a bone to the few "supporters".

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Ways he looks better: he's not forcing throws into double and triple coverage, pocket awareness seems to have improved, taking what the defense is giving him instead of just chucking it up for grabs. He hasn't been the reason we've lost any games we have. The stats are down because of the type of offense being ran. That should have been expected in a ball control offense. Granted it's early in the season like Mrouija says, but we haven't had one of the multiple turnover meltdown games from him like usually have. May come against the Broncos though, but after what they did to Rodgers I wouldn't be surprised.

and as the stats are down do to the O being ran, that same O is the very reason "hes not forcing throws into double and triple coverage, taking what the defense is giving him instead of just chucking it up for grabs." its hard to do those things when the O is asking very little of you and revolves around a lot of quick easy reads.

and sure, he hasnt been the reason they lost some of the games, but even in the games that theyve won, a limited QB who forces you to run a limited O can only take you so far. it might work against scrubs and mediocre teams, but its not going to be enough in the end.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

What is interesting to note is that the low risk low reward game has worked in the past... the first 6 games of 2011 are almost exactly what he has this year-
2011- 2015
attempts- 200-207
completions-120-128
yards-1476-1442
tds- 8-8
ints- 4-4
rating- 87.8-87.5


in 2011, those first 6 games were 3-3, and the passing defenses he faced were ranked 32nd, 30th, 26th, 24th, 22nd, and 20th.
This year, although early in the season overall so ranks may change, he has faced the 14th (green bay) 15th (arizona) 26th (oakland) 23rd (chiefs), 22nd (lions), and the 6th ranked vikings, and nothing exceptional so far.

He missed the game against the 3rd ranked seahawks, there is a game against the #1 ranked broncos and 7th ranked rams coming up as well as a game in lambeau. He has played 3 games as a bear in lambeau.. 2 games with 4 interceptions and his best game there last year, in which he had 1 td and 2 ints over the course of a 14-55 beating.

Cutler will have a pretty good game against the Chargers this week, the bears will likely win, and the board will be over run with Cutler love and I told you so's from the remaining fanboys.
Then, the 3 week stretch following that will bring everything right back to normal.

i dont think theyre beating the chargers. rivers will pick apart our shitty D, forcing the O to open things up. i dont see it ending favorably.

 

[hyatt151]

which quarterback do you use in his place? a draft pick? a free agent? what great quarterback on a team now will not be on a team next year to even be a free agent choice? and which quarterback do you acquire to replace Jimmy Clausen?

Yes, we know! They are unproven, they have never thrown a pass in the NFL!!:nervous:. Well, guess what, neither had your love object coming out of Vandy.

 

[hyatt151]

Just like the Jefferey TD on Sunday, bad mechanics and a back foot throw .... Great catch, great pass(result) but a very low probability. We can't live like that as a football team or an offense.

However, stats aside, he is playing within the system better than he had in the past.

The FanBois have a tendency to take those catches for granted.

 

[mecha]

Yes, we know! They are unproven, they have never thrown a pass in the NFL!!:nervous:. Well, guess what, neither had your love object coming out of Vandy.

omgwtfbbq you really got me with that one!

I had a breakdown of all the first round picks dating back to 2004. think it was Rodgers, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, and Joe Flacco that actually won super bowls. 2 of them won twice. my point is a 1st round QB doesn't automatically equate to championships. I've also stated multiple times now that Cutler isn't a long-term solution and his contract was absurd. I also acknowledge his play this season isn't setting the world afire, he's countering what his critics have been complaining about for a long time by not losing games himself. I didn't think he ever did, not with the Mel Tucker defenses that gave up like 7 scores a game.

that's cool though dude.

 

[cjswan232482]

I think the whole Cutler is uncoachable is going out the window. I think Cutler's biggest jump has been leadership and everyone sees it. He will only get better eith Alshon and KW.

 

[mecha]

I think the whole Cutler is uncoachable is going out the window. I think Cutler's biggest jump has been leadership and everyone sees it. He will only get better eith Alshon and KW.

let's be realistic. his best previous years were with Martz. what's left? Ron Turner? Mike Tice? dickless Marc Trestman? 2 unqualified dudes and a lawyer brain surgeon that has players holding hands in the shower. I rest my case.