Baker Mayfield 97 yard game winning drive

[Hawkeye OG]

Its crazy that people just cant be honest when discussing these things.
vs MIN Fields was 4/4 for 47 yards in the final drive. ISM fumbled.
vs WAS he drive them all the way down the field and had 2 dropped TDs.
vs MIA he threw a perfect deep ball to Claypool who got a no call on a PI that the NFL admitted to fucking up. His next pass on 4th down beyond the sticks is a dime to EQ that goes right through his hands. WHAT IS FIELDS SUPPOSED TO DO?
DET he scored 4 TDs while running for his life.

This Fields cant win shit is so disingenuous. I doubt OP even watched TNF where Baker accounted for 3 points until like 3 min left in the game. Luckily he faced a team that all season has choked away 13 point leads.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601073740871335937

@DanielCCSBears explain yourself

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Burrow's game by game stats. Pull your head out of your ass and tell me why Burrow was able to average 268 yards per game as a rookie? Why is Burrow's passing TD percentage higher than Justin Fields? Why is his INT percentage lower than Justin Fields? Why was his completion percentage better than Justin Fields?

They're both on shit teams with shit supporting casts, are you trying to say Darnell Mooney is worse than Tyler Boyd? Why is Mooney's season tanking? Mooney had good production in year one and two. Then with Fields as the primary QB both Mooney and Kmet experience a massive dip in production.

But you're going to argue that's entirely on the offensive line. But the Bengals had a horrible offensive line. Claypool Mooney, Kmet....what's taking the Bears so long to get their shit together on offense? Mooney is out now sure, but Claypool is garbage. So either Claypool is a bust and that was a horrible trade, or Fields is a below average QB when it comes to generating passing stats.

I'll let you decide which one it is.

It's obvious you only care about passing stats and passing stats alone.
Burrow's QBR for 2022 is 59.0.
Justin Fields QBR for 2022 is 58.6.

I've argued all season that Mooney is a #3 receiver with the potential to become a #2. I've argued Claypool is a #3 receiver with potential to be a #2 and that a 2nd round pick was and still is a drastic overpay. I've been consistent.

Now you're saying Kmet's experienced a 'massive dip in production'. Kmet's in his 3rd year in the league. He had 2 touchdowns total in 33 games entering the 2022 season. He has 5 touchdowns this season alone. He has more catches (35) than his rookie year (28). He is having his best season in yards per catch at 11.7. His prior career best was 10.2 yards. The only thing he doesn't have is the same number of catches but I will take touchdowns over total catches any day of the week.

The last 6 games the Bears have played with Justin Fields as QB - they've scored an average of 27.83 points per game. Coming into today's games, the Chiefs have the highest scoring offense in the league at 29.2 points per game. Second are the Eagles at 28.2 followed by the Bills and Cowboys at 27.8 points per game. So in the last 6 games, the Bears have put up the 3rd highest scoring offense in the league if they had maintained that over the entire season (which obviously, they have not but it bodes well for the future).

 

[DanielCCSBears]

@DanielCCSBears explain yourself

What do I need to explain? The fourth quarter is 15 minutes long, the defense allowed Miami to score zero points in the fourth quarter and the Bears lost by three. You want me to walk you through the rest of the 15-minute long fourth quarter failures he's experienced this season?

The Bears are 30th in the NFL in points scored in the fourth quarter.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

It's obvious you only care about passing stats and passing stats alone.
Burrow's QBR for 2022 is 59.0.
Justin Fields QBR for 2022 is 58.6.

I've argued all season that Mooney is a #3 receiver with the potential to become a #2. I've argued Claypool is a #3 receiver with potential to be a #2 and that a 2nd round pick was and still is a drastic overpay. I've been consistent.

Now you're saying Kmet's experienced a 'massive dip in production'. Kmet's in his 3rd year in the league. He had 2 touchdowns total in 33 games entering the 2022 season. He has 5 touchdowns this season alone. He has more catches (35) than his rookie year (28). He is having his best season in yards per catch at 11.7. His prior career best was 10.2 yards. The only thing he doesn't have is the same number of catches but I will take touchdowns over total catches any day of the week.

The last 6 games the Bears have played with Justin Fields as QB - they've scored an average of 27.83 points per game. Coming into today's games, the Chiefs have the highest scoring offense in the league at 29.2 points per game. Second are the Eagles at 28.2 followed by the Bills and Cowboys at 27.8 points per game. So in the last 6 games, the Bears have put up the 3rd highest scoring offense in the league if they had maintained that over the entire season (which obviously, they have not but it bodes well for the future).

QBR is boosted by plays a QB makes while running with the football. Fields' QBR is artificially inflated just like Trubisky's was in 2018 because of key plays he's made while running the ball.

Please try again..

 

[cameronkrazie86]

QBR is boosted by plays a QB makes while running with the football. Fields' QBR is artificially inflated just like Trubisky's was in 2018 because of key plays he's made while running the ball.

Please try again..

No shit, it actually takes into account everything a QB does on the field. It's a stat that shows the actual value of what the QB is doing and not relying solely on passing stats.

Not going to comment on any of the rest of my post refuting your arguments?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

No shit, it actually takes into account everything a QB does on the field. It's a stat that shows the actual value of what the QB is doing and not relying solely on passing stats.

Not going to comment on any of the rest of my post refuting your arguments?

Yeah it takes into account everything a QB does on the field and despite Fields generating rushing stats that are going to set the league record for most rushing yards in a season, despite long TD runs, Fields' QBR is still lower than Burrow's. Kind of an amazing thing how quickly you insert your foot into your mouth to prove my point.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Yeah it takes into account everything a QB does on the field and despite Fields generating rushing stats that are going to set the league record for most rushing yards in a season, despite long TD runs, Fields' QB is still barely above Burrow's. Kind of an amazing thing how quickly you insert your foot into your mouth to prove my point.

You didn't prove anything other than you're the dumbest person on this message board. Burrow's QBR is 59.0 and Fields is 58.6. It's .4 of a point higher. Does Justin Fields have a Ja'Marr Chase or Tee Higgins caliber player on his offense as a complimentary player?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

You didn't prove anything other than you're the dumbest person on this message board. Burrow's QBR is 59.0 and Fields is 58.6. It's .4 of a point higher. Does Justin Fields have a Ja'Marr Chase or Tee Higgins caliber player on his offense as a complimentary player?

There it is, the Chicago Bears bubble argument. The Bears suck because the players around Fields suck. But no other QB has success with shitty receivers right? Patrick Mahomes loses the best WR in football and is having an MVP caliber season that is accomplished solely because of Travis Kelce?

Bad offensive line play and bad receivers only hurts Justin Fields' production. Well, at least you're admitting Justin Fields is struggling.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

There it is, the Chicago Bears bubble argument. The Bears suck because the players around Fields suck. But no other QB has success with shitty receivers right? Patrick Mahomes loses the best WR in football and is having an MVP caliber season that is accomplished solely because of Travis Kelce?

Bad offensive line play and bad receivers only hurts Justin Fields' production. Well, at least you're admitting Justin Fields is struggling.

Holy **** are you dumb.

@dabears70 I want to personally apologize to you for calling you the dumbest poster I've ever interacted with on a message board. That was mean and wrong of me to say especially when Daniel exists. I formally apologize to you.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Holy **** are you dumb.

@dabears70 I want to personally apologize to you for calling you the dumbest poster I've ever interacted with on a message board. That was mean and wrong of me to say especially when Daniel exists. I formally apologize to you.

I guess that ends your attempt an argument. Yup arguments are typically exposed with the only thing you can add is an insult. Fields will be the QB but he'll never achieve passing stats among the top-5 QBs in the league at any point in his career. Bookmark that.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I guess that ends your attempt an argument. Yup arguments are typically exposed with the only thing you can add is an insult. Fields will be the QB but he'll never achieve passing stats among the top-5 QBs in the league at any point in his career. Bookmark that.

Are passing stats more valuable than points?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Are passing stats more valuable than points?

Is Chase Claypool better than Jamar Chase? Will Chase Claypool ever boost Justin Fields' passing production to the levels we are seeing from Joe Burrow? Claypool is the number one receiver. The Bears traded a top-35 draft pick for Chase Claypool to be their number one receiver. Are you telling me that Claypool with a rookie like Quentin Johnston from TCU you think the Bears will be competing for the Super Bowl next year?

Tell me where Fields and the Bears will be next year with Claypool and Johnston if that's the direction the Bears decide to go. You think Fields is going to boost this team into a playoff caliber team with Claypool and Johnston?

What if they ignore Johnston and take a receiver in the second round and boost their defense. Do you believe the Bears will be a playoff caliber team next year?

We're now talking about the need to bring on better talent to help the Bears improve. Tell me what talent you foresee being the talent that turns Justin Fields into a top-5 passer.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Is Chase Claypool better than Jamar Chase? Will Chase Claypool ever boost Justin Fields' passing production to the levels we are seeing from Joe Burrow? Claypool is the number one receiver. The Bears traded a top-35 draft pick for Chase Claypool to be their number one receiver. Are you telling me that Claypool with a rookie like Quentin Johnston from TCU you think the Bears will be competing for the Super Bowl next year?

Tell me where Fields and the Bears will be next year with Claypool and Johnston if that's the direction the Bears decide to go. You think Fields is going to boost this team into a playoff caliber team with Claypool and Johnston?

What if they ignore Johnston and take a receiver in the second round and boost their defense. Do you believe the Bears will be a playoff caliber team next year?

We're now talking about the need to bring on better talent to help the Bears improve. Tell me what talent you foresee being the talent that turns Justin Fields into a top-5 passer.

I'll happily answer your questions if you answer mine.

Are passing stats more valuable than points?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I'll happily answer your questions if you answer mine.

Are passing stats more valuable than points?

I'll answer your dumb question that misses the forest for the trees.
Given the history of the game no passing stats are not more valuable than points. But you're missing the bigger picture on the need for passing stats to highlight future growth and potential for a QB.

Justin Fields isn't going to put up 1,200 yards rushing every year to keep the Bears competitive. At some point he's going to have to show potential as a passer and you can verify potential based on passing stats. See, that wasn't so hard now was it?

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

I'll answer your dumb question that misses the forest for the trees.
Given the history of the game no passing stats are not more valuable than points. But you're missing the bigger picture on the need for passing stats to highlight future growth and potential for a QB.

Justin Fields isn't going to put up 1,200 yards rushing every year to keep the Bears competitive. At some point he's going to have to show potential as a passer and you can verify potential based on passing stats. See, that wasn't so hard now was it?

There it is. Bears are competitive just because of Fields. And you claiming him?

What's wrong with you?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

There it is. Bears are competitive just because of Fields. And you claiming him?

What's wrong with you?

Yes the Bears are competitive because of Justin Fields, but they aren't going to WIN because of Justin Fields. They're going to have to elevate Fields by getting better players around him.

How much better do you think the Bears will be next year because of the draft and free agency?

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

Yes the Bears are competitive because of Justin Fields, but they aren't going to WIN because of Justin Fields. They're going to have to elevate Fields by getting better players around him.

How much better do you think the Bears will be next year because of the draft and free agency?

They never going to win as a team. I remind you. They are a bad team.

 

[Anytime23]

What do I need to explain? The fourth quarter is 15 minutes long, the defense allowed Miami to score zero points in the fourth quarter and the Bears lost by three. You want me to walk you through the rest of the 15-minute long fourth quarter failures he's experienced this season?

The Bears are 30th in the NFL in points scored in the fourth quarter.

Explain how its Fields fault that in those situations he made the plays to win games but they didnt win games, you disingenuous, fat idiot.

QBR is boosted by plays a QB makes while running with the football. Fields' QBR is artificially inflated just like Trubisky's was in 2018 because of key plays he's made while running the ball.

Please try again..

No, it isnt artificially inflated because he runs the football, its rightfully adjusted because he runs the football. Its part of his game as a QB and has a direct affect on every aspect of the offense. Im sorry that you're old and Fields doesnt look like the QBs you grew up watching.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I'll answer your dumb question that misses the forest for the trees.
Given the history of the game no passing stats are not more valuable than points. But you're missing the bigger picture on the need for passing stats to highlight future growth and potential for a QB.

Justin Fields isn't going to put up 1,200 yards rushing every year to keep the Bears competitive. At some point he's going to have to show potential as a passer and you can verify potential based on passing stats. See, that wasn't so hard now was it?

Hey, we agree on something. Passing stats are not more valuable than points. Progress! Now I will do you the same courtesy and answer your questions.

Is Chase Claypool better than Jamar Chase? Will Chase Claypool ever boost Justin Fields' passing production to the levels we are seeing from Joe Burrow? Claypool is the number one receiver. The Bears traded a top-35 draft pick for Chase Claypool to be their number one receiver. Are you telling me that Claypool with a rookie like Quentin Johnston from TCU you think the Bears will be competing for the Super Bowl next year?

Tell me where Fields and the Bears will be next year with Claypool and Johnston if that's the direction the Bears decide to go. You think Fields is going to boost this team into a playoff caliber team with Claypool and Johnston?

What if they ignore Johnston and take a receiver in the second round and boost their defense. Do you believe the Bears will be a playoff caliber team next year?

We're now talking about the need to bring on better talent to help the Bears improve. Tell me what talent you foresee being the talent that turns Justin Fields into a top-5 passer.

1. Is Claypool better than Ja'Marr Chase? No. Never have claimed he would be.

2. Will Claypool ever boost Fields passing production to the levels we are seeing from Burrow? No. They're two polar opposite style of quarterbacks. I previously stated in this very thread that I thought Claypool was a #3 receiver and that the 2nd round pick was a drastic overpay.

3. Do I think the Bears will be competing for a Super Bowl next year? No. I've been consistent on saying I want a top 5 pick in 2022. A top 5 to 10 pick in 2023. A top 15-20 pick in 2024 and a legitimate playoff contender in 2025.

This team has holes all over the place. One receiver is not going to make the difference in this team being immediate Super Bowl contenders when the Bears could be replacing as many as 9 starters on defense in addition to a minimum of 3 new offensive linemen, a true #1 receiver, a true #2 receiver and likely replacing a starting RB as I doubt Montgomery gets a new deal (despite my appreciation of him).

4. Where will the Bears be in 2023 if they go with Claypool and Johnson? Hopefully picking in the top 10 as previously stated.

5. Will Fields boost Claypool and Johnston into a playoff team? I absolutely believe Fields can lead this team to the playoffs. Whether Claypool or Johnston is on the team is irrelevant in that belief.

6. What if the Bears go defense 1st and take WR in 2nd round, will they be a playoff team next year? No. Again, see entire answer 3.

7. I have never claimed Justin Fields would become a top 5 passer. Do I think it's a possibility? Sure, it can happen. Do I think it's likely though? No. He's a dual threat QB. With a better supporting cast, it should open up the passing game more.

As an example - if the Bears go 4 WR, 1 RB set - the defense has to choose between sticking with 2 high safeties but not being able to double team anybody or they'd have to stick to a single high safety look while doubling the #1 receiver. If they want to stick to 2 high safeties while still doubling the #1 receiver, they sacrifice an additional lineman up front which gives Fields and better receivers more time to win their individual matchups. Fields running ability requires a spy on every single play which forces defenses into picking their poison. Rush fewer players but risk longer pocket times or 1 single high safety against a QB who routinely makes great deep passes. If you decide not to spy on a given play and the Bears are passing, he runs for a first down or more.

 

[playthrough2001]

Its crazy that people just cant be honest when discussing these things.
vs MIN Fields was 4/4 for 47 yards in the final drive. ISM fumbled.
vs WAS he drive them all the way down the field and had 2 dropped TDs.
vs MIA he threw a perfect deep ball to Claypool who got a no call on a PI that the NFL admitted to fucking up. His next pass on 4th down beyond the sticks is a dime to EQ that goes right through his hands. WHAT IS FIELDS SUPPOSED TO DO?
DET he scored 4 TDs while running for his life.

This Fields cant win shit is so disingenuous. I doubt OP even watched TNF where Baker accounted for 3 points until like 3 min left in the game. Luckily he faced a team that all season has choked away 13 point leads.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601073740871335937

Just the slightest bit of context blows up his premise… He’s another guy that made a bad, hot take call on Fields and is willing to die on that hill. So dumb…