Ballard Offered the Job - sourced

[run and shoot]

How about just doing away with the rule itself. I think we are past the time for the need for the rule and I don't believe it is fair to potential candidates being interviewed as to whether they are being interviewed because of the rule or because the organization is actually interested in them.

how about if u interview somewhere and it's between u and say .....iueyedoc. iueyedoc is not as qualified as you, but he's "my boy" so he gets the job regardless of the fact that u are better qualified. Then what? And don't tell me you'd be cool with it, cuz you'd be lying.

 

[iueyedoc]

how about if u interview somewhere and it's between u and say .....iueyedoc. iueyedoc is not as qualified as you, but he's "my boy" so he gets the job regardless of the fact that u are better qualified. Then what? And don't tell me you'd be cool with it, cuz you'd be lying.

I'm a WASP so I will always get a fair shot and then some, so I'm cool with it.

 

[inchibearfan]

how about if u interview somewhere and it's between u and say .....iueyedoc. iueyedoc is not as qualified as you, but he's "my boy" so he gets the job regardless of the fact that u are better qualified. Then what? And don't tell me you'd be cool with it, cuz you'd be lying.

It happens all the time regardless of skin color. If we are doing it with football then why don't we just do it with all job positions in the United States? We could even have the government oversee every hire that is made in the workforce to make sure the interviewee got a fair shake. At least in the real world the individual isn't wondering if he/shre was interviewed because the hiring company had to use the to meet some rule. Without the rule the person is actually brought in because of their qualifications not because of the rule.

 

[run and shoot]

I'm a WASP so I will always get a fair shot and then some, so I'm cool with it.

ok.....so therein lies the reasoning behind the "infamous rule". Everybody deserves a fair shot.
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Quote Originally Posted by iueyedoc View Post
You understand he could refuse to be interviewed don't you?

he could, but what would be his reasoning and what "can of worms" would that open, for him and his career.

 

[run and shoot]

It happens all the time regardless of skin color. If we are doing it with football then why don't we just do it with all job positions in the United States? We could even have the government oversee every hire that is made in the workforce to make sure the interviewee got a fair shake. At least in the real world the individual isn't wondering if he/shre was interviewed because the hiring company had to use the to meet some rule. Without the rule the person is actually brought in because of their qualifications not because of the rule.

In the "real world" the most qualified is not always hired. Same for the NFL or Tressman & Emery woulda' never been hired. Hey, I don't like it, but the ole boys network has to go

Without the rule the person is actually brought in because of their qualifications not because of the rule.

it obviously wasn't happening if we're having this discussion.

 

[TL1961]

Screw the " minority sticker ". 1)They aren't "minorities" in the NFL. 2) it should be about PPL. getting a fair shot at being hired if they are qualified.
How would you feel if u knew , u were more qualified for a job, than say Him ( the OP here), but because Him is my boy, I hire him over u.

Don't tell me you'd be ok with it.

I am interviewing for jobs right now, and I know I won't always get an interview for a job for which I apply. The rule make sit much easier for a minority candidate to get the interview, which is a huge part of the battle. Once you get in the door, you have a chance to sell yourself and your experience, your vision, etc.

There are some cases in the NFL where a team knows who they want ahead of time - some team going after Rex Ryan now, for example, might be that situation. But in many cases, the interview itself will make or break candidates. So getting in the door is HUGE.

 

[TL1961]

It happens all the time regardless of skin color. If we are doing it with football then why don't we just do it with all job positions in the United States? We could even have the government oversee every hire that is made in the workforce to make sure the interviewee got a fair shake. At least in the real world the individual isn't wondering if he/shre was interviewed because the hiring company had to use the to meet some rule. Without the rule the person is actually brought in because of their qualifications not because of the rule.

Without the rule, they may not be brought in.

With the rule, they may be brought in.

 

[run and shoot]

I am interviewing for jobs right now, and I know I won't always get an interview for a job for which I apply. The rule make sit much easier for a minority candidate to get the interview, which is a huge part of the battle. Once you get in the door, you have a chance to sell yourself and your experience, your vision, etc.

There are some cases in the NFL where a team knows who they want ahead of time - some team going after Rex Ryan now, for example, might be that situation. But in many cases, the interview itself will make or break candidates. So getting in the door is HUGE.

I am interviewing for jobs right now, and I know I won't always get an interview for a job for which I apply

...and it should be becuse you weren't qualified.....mot becuse I hired one of my ( less than qualified) "buddies" over you.

Once you get in the door, you have a chance to sell yourself and your experience, your vision, etc.

Yes in a ideal world.....however, Not if it's a " Rex Ryan situation " ..and yeah, that goes on a lot.

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....but yes, getting in the door is huge.

 

[WindyCity]

I think Acorsi did 2 valuable things.

1. I think he advised George before Emery was fired about what could be done and what his options should be. He probably did not encourage the firing but made it clear things were as bad as George thought.

2. I think he is helping bring Ballard in and structuring things properly. Ballard is a hot name who is expecting total control and serious power. Perhaps Acorsi is making sure Ted doesn't weasel his way into all of this.

 

[Space Invader]

**** that. I knew it was Ballard as soon as they announced his name as a candidate as soon as the media mentioned him as a "potential with previous ties to the Bears"

#fuckyou #called_it

 

[xcutioner1977]

At some point, measures like in the corporate world will need to take in the NFL to insure fair hiring practices. If I were Lake, I complain to the union for having his time wasted. I do get the FaceTime, recognition, etc.......effects, but it still stinks to know u have no chance of getting hired somewhere, no matter your qualifications.

his qualifications suck hence why he is with the titans

 

[Parade_Rain]

If Ballard is as good as suggested and demands full control of football operations, there should be no need for Phillips staying in football ops.

FTFY

 

[Neolithic]

For all the concern over this being the old bear's way of doing business. The positive to take away from this is that AT LEAST PUBLICLY, Ballard appears to be demanding 100% control of football operations in his prospective new job somewhere. Hopefully that stays true if he is indeed hired, and Teddy finds his way over to the business only side of the family, and at least one positive will have come of this situation.

 

[doctorbear]

...and it should be becuse you weren't qualified.....mot becuse I hired one of my ( less than qualified) "buddies" over you.





Yes in a ideal world.....however, Not if it's a " Rex Ryan situation " ..and yeah, that goes on a lot.

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....but yes, getting in the door is huge.

Does anyone find this guy's posts incomprehensible?

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Think that only applies for coaches, not GMs.

It seems that the language is HC only but:

In the wake of no minority hirings to fill eight head coaching and seven general management vacancies following the conclusion of the 2012 NFL regular season, NFL Executive Vice president of Human Resources Robert Gulliver stated, "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity."[12]

So who knows what it will be in the future. The bears have a minority GM interview scheduled already just to be show that they are complying.

 

[run and shoot]

Does anyone find this guy's posts incomprehensible?

how about u try putting the responses with quotes .

 

[JoJoBoxer]

In 2003 the NFL, facing the threat of potential lawsuits, enacted what has become known as the “Rooney Rule,” named after the chairman of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Dan Rooney. The rule stated that for all coaching and general manager job openings, a minority candidate had to at the very least get an interview.

I stand corrected. Thank you, kind sir.

 

[run and shoot]

It seems that the language is HC only but:



So who knows what it will be in the future. The bears have a minority GM interview scheduled already just to be show that they are complying.

what difference does it make the decision on who to hire may have already been made.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

He may not know a dam thing about being a GM but I agree he looks like a boss. At least he looks like he might know what the hell he's doing

instead of ol' uncle Phil.

You know what Emery will be doing every night if Ballard is hired, don't you?

He is going to call Ballard and say, "Chris, I am your father" with his best Darth Vader voice.

(look at the Emery picture and the last Ballard one, father and son).

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Screw the " minority sticker ". 1)They aren't "minorities" in the NFL. 2) it should be about PPL. getting a fair shot at being hired if they are qualified.
How would you feel if u knew , u were more qualified for a job, than say Him ( the OP here), but because Him is my boy, I hire him over u.

Don't tell me you'd be ok with it.

They aren't minorities in the NFL as PLAYERS.

They are minorities in the NFL as HCs and EXECUTIVES. Thus, the Rooney Rule attempts to give them a chance.