Bears allegedly looking slot

[Chicago Staleys]

I think Miller is done with Chicago as much has Chicago is done with him.

Trade Miller for a bag of chips, cut Wims, sign a FA and draft a WR mid round. Dalton won’t be able to throw to them anyway.

 

[TexasBearfan]

I think that Elijah Moore is an elite talent that will transform our passing attack. He can not be covered one on one in Man coverage.

He took the best that the D Ole Miss was playing and just broke them. It's different when you're the guy that the D tries to stop and can't. Again, if we go with Money and AR on the perimeter and Moore in the slot, they can't use a LB to cover him. He'll just chew up yardage and force the D shell down, thereby opening up either a single on Money or AR. As long as Dalton can throw a catchable ball to Money deep, fahgetaboudit.

Has a very good discussion of Elijah Moore, then, you just watch the tape.

The other two are speed dudes. This guy's a guy that can catch, run routes, and has speed.

thx i dont think he makes it to our 2nd pick

 

[Perspective]

Wims is a waste of a roster spot and an indictment of both Pace and Nagy.

Pace for picking an undisciplined WR with suspect hands

and Nagy for neither controlling him nor benching him and letting this guy hurt our offense week in and week out

LMAO ....a player that is not great after being picked in the 5th round or later in an indictment on he GM? CCS posters .... biggest morons in the world

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

LMAO ....a player that is not great after being picked in the 5th round or later in an indictment on he GM? CCS posters .... biggest morons in the world

honestly it's sports fans in general, not even just bears fans. You find this kind of stupidity on every sports board

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Isn't Wims good at blocking/ST?

If so he's not a waste, but 100% replaceable by a late round pick. No reason the dumbass should be on the roster.

Imagine agreeing he is completely replaceable but nitpicking on the semantics of the term "waste"

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Wims was a 7th rounder. 7th round picks are typically a GM taking a shot at upside/special teams targets.

And Pace missed. And Nagy kept mysteriously rolling him out - even in the playoffs. Nothing I said was wrong.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

LMAO ....a player that is not great after being picked in the 5th round or later in an indictment on he GM? CCS posters .... biggest morons in the world

A player that is not great? I am down on Wims for far more than being not great.

You sidestepped my point and focused on the draft position solely.

Keep your ass on. There is literally no reason to laugh it off at my comment - especially in the context of CCS both currently and historically.

 

[playthrough2001]

And Pace missed. And Nagy kept mysteriously rolling him out - even in the playoffs. Nothing I said was wrong.

He rolled him out in the playoffs because Mooney was injured against the Packers. Context is your friend.

 

[iueyedoc]

I know we all don't like A.Miller very much but he's definitely worth more than a 7th round pick. I think the issue is more about all the free agent WR's and how strong the draft is at WR for why they might be having trouble finding a taker for him.

Sign Tim Patrick or play Riley Ridley.

How is he worth more than a 7th rd pick? He is a 3rd or 4th WR on a team with bad WR depth, got beaten out by a 5th rnd pick and is a headcase.

He is worth what you can get for him, and if the draft and FA are strong enough to knock his worth down to a 7th rnd pick, that is what he is worth.

Pace overdrafted him on potential, he has now a proven track record and tape of bad routes, drops, and discipline issues.
If he is on a different team , would you want Pace to give more than a 7th for him or would you rather him take a shot at a guy without the proven flaws?

 

[bamainatlanta]

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How is he worth more than a 7th rd pick? He is a 3rd or 4th WR on a team with bad WR depth, got beaten out by a 5th rnd pick and is a headcase.

He is worth what you can get for him, and if the draft and FA are strong enough to knock his worth down to a 7th rnd pick, that is what he is worth.

Pace overdrafted him on potential, he has now a proven track record and tape of bad routes, drops, and discipline issues.
If he is on a different team , would you want Pace to give more than a 7th for him or would you rather him take a shot at a guy without the proven flaws?

I cant imagine teams giving up much for a bust in a draft that has a ton of talented WR prospects

 

[TexasBearfan]

this article provides some insight into Pace/Nagy's WR strategy, someone in another thread made reference to them liking older WR's from big programs and it's exactly what this article states.....making me wonder if article writer is on this board

Chicago Bears Scouting: Cornell Powell 2021 NFL Draft Profile

Chicago Bears Scouting: Cornell Powell 2021 NFL Draft Profile. Cornell Powell is going to be an interesting evaluation for the 2021 NFL draf

beargoggleson.com

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

this article provides some insight into Pace/Nagy's WR strategy, someone in another thread made reference to them liking older WR's from big programs and it's exactly what this article states.....making me wonder if article writer is on this board

Chicago Bears Scouting: Cornell Powell 2021 NFL Draft Profile

Chicago Bears Scouting: Cornell Powell 2021 NFL Draft Profile. Cornell Powell is going to be an interesting evaluation for the 2021 NFL draf

beargoggleson.com

That article is making a good case not to use this strategy lol. But I really don’t expect much from rounds 4-7 so taking a chance there you won’t get much argument out of me.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Common CCS perception is Pace excels at later round picks. May or maybe not true, but does anybody know of any team by team data as is it relates to success in rounds 4-7? And where do later rounds actually start? My belief is rounds 1-2 should be almost year 1 starters with the possible exception of QB, round 3 should be year 2 starters with some rotational play in year one, and after that, everything is a crap shoot rounds 4-7.

 

[dentfan]

thx i dont think he makes it to our 2nd pick

I think you're right. Though I wouldn't mind taking him with our first, I think the best move would be to trade back with Buffalo or KC and take the best overall IOL, like Creed Humphries, thereby picking up a second 2nd round pick. Maybe use that extra pick and one of our 6ths and move up to grab him, while still preserving our 3rd for a QB: Mond or Newman.

 

[Sculpt]

How is he worth more than a 7th rd pick? He is a 3rd or 4th WR on a team with bad WR depth, got beaten out by a 5th rnd pick and is a headcase.

He is worth what you can get for him, and if the draft and FA are strong enough to knock his worth down to a 7th rnd pick, that is what he is worth.

Pace overdrafted him on potential, he has now a proven track record and tape of bad routes, drops, and discipline issues.
If he is on a different team , would you want Pace to give more than a 7th for him or would you rather him take a shot at a guy without the proven flaws?

I don't discount your assessment of Miller's flaws. But you don't give him any credit for his obvious talent.

Just to poke a little fun: you trash that he's only 'a 3rd' WR on the team, which would make him starting Slot.

Unfortunately, trading him might be best because of the failure of the coaches to character develop and discipline Miller who wants badly to be very good, get the ball, play through serious injury and is an outspoken believer in God. Sounds maluable to me. Oh well, I think we'll get a 7th for him.

 

[iueyedoc]

I don't discount your assessment of Miller's flaws. But you don't give him any credit for his obvious talent.

Just to poke a little fun: you trash that he's only 'a 3rd' WR on the team, which would make him starting Slot.

Unfortunately, trading him might be best because of the failure of the coaches to character develop and discipline Miller who wants badly to be very good, get the ball, play through serious injury and is an outspoken believer in God. Sounds maluable to me. Oh well, I think we'll get a 7th for him.

Actions speak loader than words. Three years of his actions belie his words. Every player wants to be great, few act in a way to become great.

 

[Sculpt]

Actions speak loader than words. Three years of his actions belie his words. Every player wants to be great, few act in a way to become great.

I think he showed a fair amount over three years.

	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2018	24	CHI		17	15	4	54	33	423	12.8	7	21	55	2.2	28.2	61.1%	7.8	6	26	0	0	9	4.3	1.7	0.4	39	11.5	449	7	1	4
2019	25	CHI	WR	17	16	7	85	52	656	12.6	2	34	35	3.3	41.0	61.2%	7.7	1	-1	0	0	-1	-1.0	-0.1	0.1	53	12.4	655	2	1	5
2020	26	CHI	wr	17	16	6	76	49	485	9.9	2	23	34	3.1	30.3	64.5%	6.4	2	12	0	1	9	6.0	0.8	0.1	51	9.7	497	2	2	4
Career				47	17	215	134	1564	11.7	11	78	55	2.9	33.3	62.3%	7.3	9	37	0	1	9	4.1	0.8	0.2	143	11.2	1601	11	4	13

That's not horrible for slot.

 

[iueyedoc]

I think he showed a fair amount over three years.

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
2018	24	CHI		17	15	4	54	33	423	12.8	7	21	55	2.2	28.2	61.1%	7.8	6	26	0	0	9	4.3	1.7	0.4	39	11.5	449	7	1	4
2019	25	CHI	WR	17	16	7	85	52	656	12.6	2	34	35	3.3	41.0	61.2%	7.7	1	-1	0	0	-1	-1.0	-0.1	0.1	53	12.4	655	2	1	5
2020	26	CHI	wr	17	16	6	76	49	485	9.9	2	23	34	3.1	30.3	64.5%	6.4	2	12	0	1	9	6.0	0.8	0.1	51	9.7	497	2	2	4
Career				47	17	215	134	1564	11.7	11	78	55	2.9	33.3	62.3%	7.3	9	37	0	1	9	4.1	0.8	0.2	143	11.2	1601	11	4	13

That's not horrible for slot.

Yeah but I don't think he sees himself as a slot and the stats don't reflect his negative impact as a troublesome teammate.
But I don't really think we are at odds in opinion, you said we could get a 7th for him, which I don't doubt, @dabears70 thinks he is worth much more which I don't agree with.

 

[Sculpt]

Yeah but I don't think he sees himself as a slot and the stats don't reflect his negative impact as a troublesome teammate.
But I don't really think we are at odds in opinion, you said we could get a 7th for him, which I don't doubt, @dabears70 thinks he is worth much more which I don't agree with.

It is a tough one. I think a majority of people familiar with Miller and this situation would say he's worth a 7th. But the details are Miller would only be under rookie contract for 2021, whereas a 7th Rounder would be under rookie contract for 4 years.

How many GMs think they can fix Miller to be better than a 7th Rd selection? Probably would have to be a team that needs a decent Slot receiver for 2021, a team that lost one due to FA... and probably a team planning on getting a Slot in the draft. They want a decently experienced and cheaper Slot receiver for 1 yr.

Small number of teams, but still seems like a likelihood.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

Jaelon Darden could be an interesting target on Day 3.