Bears have a top 2 OL

[Bearly]

He's out there competing and wants to win, but running it 15 times a game is not sustainable. Getsy has to find a way to counter this and give Fields some options. Last thing the Bears need is a Fields injury to end the season.

Option? Options? What options at OL or RB outside of Monty? Bear puts in Ebner, fail. VJJ, fail. How many fails have ESB and Petty had? OL? We can try to keep him safe, never be in a game and lose the rest of the team as well.

 

[abegibronlives]

I think most of us would concede that this is a bad roster.

What's important is what the Bears do about it going forward, with draft capital and cap room.

 

[dbldrew]

Well on his 5 sacks yesterday(1:50, 2:10,3:35,4:55,7:05)in the attached video, there was no outlet target on the 1st 4 and Fields is looking at Montgomery on the 5th as DM never looks back, leaving Fields hanging.
The outlets, Justin just hit any of those outlets.
So do you have any actual evidence of what JF could learn from playing with 5 traffic cones and ahuna muttata etal.

first sack at 1:50...


second sack AT 2:10 is 100% on the OL

third sack at 3:35



4th sack he had Pringle open coming across, BUT it was 3rd and like 16 and Pringle might of picked up 2-3 yards at most so I cant be to hard on him for not throwing it there, But the one thing he cant do is take a sack and knock yourself out of FG range, so he has to have better pocket awareness

5th sack Montgomery was definitely open and definitely looking at him so not sure what your talking about..

 

[iueyedoc]

first sack at 1:50...
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second sack AT 2:10 is 100% on the OL

third sack at 3:35

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4th sack he had Pringle open coming across, BUT it was 3rd and like 16 and Pringle might of picked up 2-3 yards at most so I cant be to hard on him for not throwing it there, But the one thing he cant do is take a sack and knock yourself out of FG range, so he has to have better pocket awareness

5th sack Montgomery was definitely open and definitely looking at him so not sure what your talking about..

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LOL the ol' pricisely timed screen shot "proof."
Sack 1) This is the very moment the LB breaks off of a LOS covered VJJ on 3rd and 10 while JF is still going through his reads as Josh Sweat is free running directly at him from 3 yards away. Watch the video and your bullshit is quite clear.

Sack 3) Why in the hell would he check it down when he has a clean pocket in his sight line while guys are just getting into their routes? Do you actually think he should be checking it down by the time Byron Pringle gets 5 yards off the LOS?Or should he have dolphin echo location to sense when Cole Kmet completely whiffs on his block?



Sack 5)Another great screenshot lie by you

Here he is a looking at the back of DM's head as 2 DLmen are getting free. With DM 11 yards from a 1st down on 3rd down.
Here they are both disengaged from their blockers running right at Field, still looking at DM's name and numbers.

Oh goodie DM has finally turned to look at JF with 2 defenders a yard away and Fields having already moved on from the back of DM's head to guys that may actually be looking to catch the ball. From start to finish notice this all happens within one second, less than .2 second from DM turning to sack


How can he not throw the ball to a wide open DM?!!!

 

[Bearly]

LOL the ol' pricisely timed screen shot "proof."
Sack 1) This is the very moment the LB breaks off of a LOS covered VJJ on 3rd and 10 while JF is still going through his reads as Josh Sweat is free running directly at him from 3 yards away. Watch the video and your bullshit is quite clear.

Sack 3) Why in the hell would he check it down when he has a clean pocket in his sight line while guys are just getting into their routes? Do you actually think he should be checking it down by the time Byron Pringle gets 5 yards off the LOS?Or should he have dolphin echo location to sense when Cole Kmet completely whiffs on his block?



Sack 5)Another great screenshot lie by you

Here he is a looking at the back of DM's head as 2 DLmen are getting free. With DM 11 yards from a 1st down on 3rd down.View attachment 24863
Here they are both disengaged from their blockers running right at Field, still looking at DM's name and numbers.
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Oh goodie DM has finally turned to look at JF with 2 defenders a yard away and Fields having already moved on from the back of DM's head to guys that may actually be looking to catch the ball. From start to finish notice this all happens within one second, less than .2 second from DM turning to sack
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How can he not throw the ball to a wide open DM?!!!
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Imagine going though that effort to disparage a QB that had all the experts claim he had a great game... including his chosen expert on this, Matt Bowen.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

In addition to Musty, I think the time has come to move on from Cody Wheelchair.

If you were to trade down and grab Skoronski, I think putting him and Braxton Jones at the tackle spots and moving Borom to LG is a decent thought. I'm still of the opinion that you should spend a high pick on a center.

 

[dbldrew]

LOL the ol' pricisely timed screen shot "proof."
Sack 1) This is the very moment the LB breaks off of a LOS covered VJJ on 3rd and 10 while JF is still going through his reads as Josh Sweat is free running directly at him from 3 yards away. Watch the video and your bullshit is quite clear.

Sack 3) Why in the hell would he check it down when he has a clean pocket in his sight line while guys are just getting into their routes? Do you actually think he should be checking it down by the time Byron Pringle gets 5 yards off the LOS?Or should he have dolphin echo location to sense when Cole Kmet completely whiffs on his block?



Sack 5)Another great screenshot lie by you

Here he is a looking at the back of DM's head as 2 DLmen are getting free. With DM 11 yards from a 1st down on 3rd down.View attachment 24863
Here they are both disengaged from their blockers running right at Field, still looking at DM's name and numbers.
View attachment 24860
Oh goodie DM has finally turned to look at JF with 2 defenders a yard away and Fields having already moved on from the back of DM's head to guys that may actually be looking to catch the ball. From start to finish notice this all happens within one second, less than .2 second from DM turning to sack
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How can he not throw the ball to a wide open DM?!!!
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I said earlier in this tread that fields needs to keep playing because he needs to develop his passing skills, the only thing that matters this year is his development. It was brought up by a few posters that he has no WR that can get open so he should sit the rest of the year.. I said that was a BS excuse, even on the sacks DM should be an option..

You posted a video that literally proved my point.

Was there an option that was wide open for him on the first sack? YEP (even DM was open as well)
Was there an option on the second sack? nope
Was there an option for him on the 3rd sack? yep DM was again open
Was there an option on the 4th sack? not really a great one
Was there an option on the 5th sack? yep DM was open again

So 3 out of the 5 sacks he had options.. this is not a compelling argument to have Fields sit the rest of the year.

And you trying to shift the blame on the 5th sack to DM is just dumb, DM literally took 4 steps before he turned around, if Fields doesnt understand the route then thats on Fields not DM.

 

[dbldrew]

Imagine going though that effort to disparage a QB that had all the experts claim he had a great game... including his chosen expert on this, Matt Bowen.

when did I say he had a bad game? I said I want him to play so he can develop, and improve his game.

You guys should get your arguments in order here, If someone wants him to play so he can get better thats not an attack on him. Its like you dont even know what your arguing anymore

 

[iueyedoc]

I said earlier in this tread that fields needs to keep playing because he needs to develop his passing skills, the only thing that matters this year is his development. It was brought up by a few posters that he has no WR that can get open so he should sit the rest of the year.. I said that was a BS excuse, even on the sacks DM should be an option..

You posted a video that literally proved my point.

Was there an option that was wide open for him on the first sack? YEP (even DM was open as well)
Was there an option on the second sack? nope
Was there an option for him on the 3rd sack? yep DM was again open
Was there an option on the 4th sack? not really a great one
Was there an option on the 5th sack? yep DM was open again

So 3 out of the 5 sacks he had options.. this is not a compelling argument to have Fields sit the rest of the year.

And you trying to shift the blame on the 5th sack to DM is just dumb, DM literally took 4 steps before he turned around, if Fields doesnt understand the route then thats on Fields not DM.

So his options, according to you are throwing to open checked downs before going through his assigned reads on sacks 1and 2 and throwing at the back of a RB's head. Nothing says franchise QB like ignoring the called play and going immediately to LOS checkdowns on 3rd and 10 and concussing your RB with a ball to the occipital lobe.




QB development

 

[dbldrew]

So his options, according to you are throwing to open checked downs before going through his assigned reads on sacks 1and 2 and throwing at the back of a RB's head. Nothing says franchise QB like ignoring the called play and going immediately to LOS checkdowns on 3rd and 10 and concussing your RB with a ball to the occipital lobe.




QB development

yes, thats what every good QB will do when the play breaks down and something that Fields needs to work on. Are you trying to say thats not something that good QBs do?

My argument was he need to play so he can develop, you posting a video that showed he has options even when he got sacked is not an argument to sit him the rest of the year.

If fields starts getting happy feet or seeing ghosts then yeah maybe you sit him so he doesnt start developing bad habits, but thats the opposite of what Fields is doing, he is still holding the ball to long and him getting hit doesnt seem to faze him at all so let him play and get better. Thats the whole point of this year anyway..

 

[iueyedoc]

I said earlier in this tread that fields needs to keep playing because he needs to develop his passing skills, the only thing that matters this year is his development. It was brought up by a few posters that he has no WR that can get open so he should sit the rest of the year.. I said that was a BS excuse, even on the sacks DM should be an option..

You posted a video that literally proved my point.

Was there an option that was wide open for him on the first sack? YEP (even DM was open as well)
Was there an option on the second sack? nope
Was there an option for him on the 3rd sack? yep DM was again open
Was there an option on the 4th sack? not really a great one
Was there an option on the 5th sack? yep DM was open again

So 3 out of the 5 sacks he had options.. this is not a compelling argument to have Fields sit the rest of the year.

And you trying to shift the blame on the 5th sack to DM is just dumb, DM literally took 4 steps before he turned around, if Fields doesnt understand the route then thats on Fields not DM.

Holy shit, what a completely circular argument
Sacks 1 and 3 are on Fields because he doesn't go to his open checkdown before going through his assigned reads.
Sack 5 is on Fields because doesn't understand the route concepts and his progression and looks to his checkdown too early.

That is a vortex @remydat would be proud of.

 

[iueyedoc]

yes, thats what every good QB will do when the play breaks down and something that Fields needs to work on. Are you trying to say thats not something that good QBs do?

My argument was he need to play so he can develop, you posting a video that showed he has options even when he got sacked is not an argument to sit him the rest of the year.

If fields starts getting happy feet or seeing ghosts then yeah maybe you sit him so he doesnt start developing bad habits, but thats the opposite of what Fields is doing, he is still holding the ball to long and him getting hit doesnt seem to faze him at all so let him play and get better. Thats the whole point of this year anyway..

Yeah , great plan, let's get that habit beat the **** out of him behind shitty OL play. FFS is this real?

 

[dbldrew]

Holy shit, what a completely circular argument
Sacks 1 and 3 are on Fields because he doesn't go to his open checkdown before going through his assigned reads.
Sack 5 is on Fields because doesn't understand the route concepts and his progression and looks to his checkdown too early.

That is a vortex @remydat would be proud of.

There is no circular logic. Fields needs to know his check down and what route his check down is running on every single play. What you posted here is not a counter argument for anything I have said

 

[dbldrew]

Yeah , great plan, let's get that habit beat the **** out of him behind shitty OL play. FFS is this real?

yep lets hide him on the bench until we have pro bowl players at every position.. great idea

In a year that the only thing that matters is Fields getting expereance and learning.. you want to hide him.. sure ok

Do you even know what your arguing anymore? I want him to play to get better and your arguing against that? Do you secretly want to see the back up QB for some strange reason?

 

[Anytime23]

LOL the ol' pricisely timed screen shot "proof."
Sack 1) This is the very moment the LB breaks off of a LOS covered VJJ on 3rd and 10 while JF is still going through his reads as Josh Sweat is free running directly at him from 3 yards away. Watch the video and your bullshit is quite clear.

Sack 3) Why in the hell would he check it down when he has a clean pocket in his sight line while guys are just getting into their routes? Do you actually think he should be checking it down by the time Byron Pringle gets 5 yards off the LOS?Or should he have dolphin echo location to sense when Cole Kmet completely whiffs on his block?



Sack 5)Another great screenshot lie by you

Here he is a looking at the back of DM's head as 2 DLmen are getting free. With DM 11 yards from a 1st down on 3rd down.View attachment 24863
Here they are both disengaged from their blockers running right at Field, still looking at DM's name and numbers.
View attachment 24860
Oh goodie DM has finally turned to look at JF with 2 defenders a yard away and Fields having already moved on from the back of DM's head to guys that may actually be looking to catch the ball. From start to finish notice this all happens within one second, less than .2 second from DM turning to sack
View attachment 24861

How can he not throw the ball to a wide open DM?!!!
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Yeah im gonna go ahead and pass on the film lesson by the poster who showed us a 7 second montage of Mac Jones deep passing to prove that he can air it out downfield.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

There's a reason people that breakdown film for a living preach why using screen shots as "evidence" for anything football related is absolutely stupid.

Modern sports is filmed at 60 frames per second. A screenshot represents One frame or 1/60th of a second. Human reaction times (even at the elite level) are far slower than that.


This is why guys like Warner and the like will preach don't @ me on Twitter with your screen shots. They mean **** all.

 

[dbldrew]

There's a reason people that breakdown film for a living preach why using screen shots as "evidence" for anything football related is absolutely stupid.

Modern sports is filmed at 60 frames per second. A screenshot represents One frame or 1/60th of a second. Human reaction times (even at the elite level) are far slower than that.


This is why guys like Warner and the like will preach don't @ me on Twitter with your screen shots. They mean **** all.

The debate was not to assign blame but to debunk "there is nobody open so Fields should not play argument". Its a dumb argument, he needs the experience so needs to play.. The screenshots show there is options.. the video also shows the same thing. nothing that was presented in any video or screenshot give the "bench fields" argument any validity

 

[Anytime23]

There's a reason people that breakdown film for a living preach why using screen shots as "evidence" for anything football related is absolutely stupid.

Modern sports is filmed at 60 frames per second. A screenshot represents One frame or 1/60th of a second. Human reaction times (even at the elite level) are far slower than that.


This is why guys like Warner and the like will preach don't @ me on Twitter with your screen shots. They mean **** all.

the only frame that matters