Re: Corporations arent people
[quote name="jaxhawksfan"]"And they are able to give more money, it would be fine, but I still wouldnt like it, if they honestly were all over the place on their political views, but they aren't lets be honest here, most if not all big business has a hard on for the republican party, and I think that is why you are ultimately ok with it if the roles were reversed, you would be up in arms. I simply don't like the idea of such political financial power being in the hands of so few.
Secondly, shareholders dont get a say in shit. My company gives out tons of political donations, all over the damn world, I dont ever recall getting the memo asking me who i would like to support. Despite the fact I have personally generated millions in revenue for them"
Ok, I'll paraphrase again:
Point 1......If the company held your views you wouldn't have a problem with it at all, or at least they could spread it out so that all candidates from both parties get money. As long as the evil Republicans don't get any then it is all ok right? I have news for you: both the Republicans and Democrats get money and they both suck. Neither give a shit about the country. I don't know why you think I am a cheerleader for the fucking Republican party. I have said over and over again that I am Independent.
Point 2......In case you have never looked, the "power" of voting is usually held by the "few" and not the majority because the majority don't vote, don't donate, and don't really give a shit. As far as companies go, are you trying to tell me that only the big companies donate to political parties? Do some more research and get back to me.
Point 3.......Just because you personally haven't gotten your say in your company doesn't mean shareholders in general don't get to tell the company what to do. They do it each and every day with their wallet. They also get ballots in the mail.
Point 4......Bitching about making millions in revenue for your company but they never ask you who you want to support sure as hell sounds like bitching about the company but gladly taking their money to me.
In summation you can't stand big business/corporations in general because they are "greedy" in your opinion and they only care about making money. That's not news. People start businesses to make money and they do that by providing products/services to others who will pay for it. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the people who buy the products or who work for the company. If neither group existed then the problem would be solved right? People wanna place all sorts of regulations and limitations all everyone but themselves. Righteous bullshit that is easy to say until it hits you in the wallet. You wanna change corporations: don't buy products/services from the ones you think are evil and don't work for them. If everyone did the same then there wouldn't be a problem. It is called the free market system. Problem lies in the fact that everyone doesn't agree on what is evil or not, and doesn't agree on how far they are willing to inconvenience themselves to stand up for what they think is right. In the end they just want everyone to play nice as long as it doesn't cost them anything personally.[/quote]
Point 1......If the company held your views you wouldn't have a problem with it at all, or at least they could spread it out so that all candidates from both parties get money. As long as the evil Republicans don't get any then it is all ok right? I have news for you: both the Republicans and Democrats get money and they both suck. Neither give a shit about the country. I don't know why you think I am a cheerleader for the fucking Republican party. I have said over and over again that I am Independent.
There aren't any politicians that hold my views. So it doesn't really matter. I will yield this entire point as both of us imply intimate knowledge of our minds that neither of us can possibly know for sure.
Point 2......In case you have never looked, the "power" of voting is usually held by the "few" and not the majority because the majority don't vote, don't donate, and don't really give a shit. As far as companies go, are you trying to tell me that only the big companies donate to political parties? Do some more research and get back to me.
No I am not implying only large corporations donate. Big or small I don't think they should be able to, I was merely pointing out there is a big difference between a large multinational organization and a one man LLC, such as for example, non-american members of the board of directors that should really have no business influencing the american political process in any way. I don't disagree with the first part of this point at all.
Point 3.......Just because you personally haven't gotten your say in your company doesn't mean shareholders in general don't get to tell the company what to do. They do it each and every day with their wallet. They also get ballots in the mail.
Sure, like the target debacle alot of share holders were abandoning target because of their support of a political candidate that was against *** marriage. That is beside the point, I don't think corporations should be financing political candidates, even if I had a say I still wouldn't like it. Again, I don't think they are evil, they are doing what is best for the company, as makes sense. This isn't some company I merely hold stock in, I work for them and would not willingly hurt my company financially because I disagree with their political candidate, I like my job. Unless like some like really bad person was running for office and they supported that person. I am generally fiscally conservative as it is and generally don't have a problem with the candidates they back (which are usually conservatives), I still don't think its right. Any opportunity we have to remove power from the few, I think we should take that opportunity, whether "the many" decide to take advantage of that, is another discussion entirely.
Point 4......Bitching about making millions in revenue for your company but they never ask you who you want to support sure as hell sounds like bitching about the company but gladly taking their money to me.
I was merely making a point, I wouldn't like it even if I did get a say because I don't want any corporation to even have the option to "get a say" as I said, if those individuals want to give money and vote along the lines that is in the best interest for their business FINE AND DANDY.
and for the love of all things holy, find one person who works for someone else and doesn't have one or two things they don't like, It doesn't mean they hate the company, think their evil, etc etc etc. If someone finds the perfect job that they never ever have anything to complain about good for them, I doubt that would ever exist for me. I work for a damn software developer, I don't know what possible evil they could do, write a pornographic childrens video game? I don't know.
I am not going to even respond to the summary because you go on making assumptions again.
