Ben Gordon - Eastern Conference Player of the Week

[charity stripe]

Fred wrote:

I was using Kirk as an example since he's on the Bulls. I agreed with your point.

So you agree that Westbrook is more of a SG, and that Gordon won't sign with the Thunder?

 

[Fred]

charity stripe wrote:

Fred wrote:

I was using Kirk as an example since he's on the Bulls. I agreed with your point.

So you agree that Westbrook is more of a SG, and that Gordon won't sign with the Thunder?

No. I agreed that rookie FG% isn't the best indicator of a player's success. (See Kirk Hinrich) That said, Westbrook isn't a good enough shooter to play the 2. I don't see him developing into a great 2. If you're 190 and undersized, you better be able to shoot lights out, a la Gordon. He can't and he won't, but he can play the point.

The Thunder want him at the point, and they'll do whatever possible to play him at the point. According to Sam Smith, they're going to make an offer for Gordon. Durant will move to the 3. We'll move forward with Kirk and Salmons at the 2, and Rose at guard.

 

[Diddy1122]

Fred wrote:
The Thunder want him at the point, and they'll do whatever possible to play him at the point. According to Sam Smith, they're going to make an offer for Gordon. Durant will move to the 3. We'll move forward with Kirk and Salmons at the 2, and Rose at guard.[/quote]


When did Sam say anything like that? I'm sure they'll make an offer but I don't think they are walking around telling beat reporters about it.

If BG is offered a deal, it will probably be 4yr/$40-45mill range. And BG will accept it, and turn the Thunder into the smaller run-n-gun type team that Brooks wants. It would also reunite Ben with former assistant Ron Adams, who has coached him virtually his whole NBA career. It's definitely a good fit for Ben. But I doubt OKC is a livelier spot than Chi-town. But hey Barn dancing, Rodeos, keggers in a corn field...what New Yorker wouldn't love stuff like that?

 

[Fred]

Diddy1122 wrote:

When did Sam say anything like that? I'm sure they'll make an offer but I don't think they are walking around telling beat reporters about it.

"Oklahoma City: The rumor remains they're waiting to make a good offer to Ben Gordon."
- Sam Smith, Bulls.com, 2.16.09.

 

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Fred wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

When did Sam say anything like that? I'm sure they'll make an offer but I don't think they are walking around telling beat reporters about it.

"Oklahoma City: The rumor remains they're waiting to make a good offer to Ben Gordon."
- Sam Smith, Bulls.com, 2.16.09.

Maybe Gordon can dispose of Sefolosha in two places.

 

[xatruio]

find it funny tippet and bieksa are mentioned. Members of their team are on "the list"



http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640294

 

[bri]

The Canucks have the best divers in the league. And we all know what Mike Smyth can do.

 

[LordKOTL]

A list shouldn't mean anything...what they should be doing is de-linking embellishing and a coincidental penalty. If someone throws a lovetap to one the Sedins and they collapse like a Californian house in a Wildfire (too soon?), don't worry about the coincidental, Send Mary-Kate or Ashley to the box.

 

[CLWolf81]

Beyond diving, Campbell said the group also held strong opinions on the interference rule, particularly when it applies to the forecheck. He said the group felt the standard should be that a defenseman get called for interference if he is holding up a forechecking forward in any way, especially if the forward has already beaten him.

I can picture this rule being debated by certain D-men trying to do their job, especially the stay-at-home ones. What do you do then... just let the player go? -.- What the hell is a defenseman for if he can't do his job?



This isn't basketball.

 

[CLWolf81]

The Canucks have the best divers in the league. And we all know what Mike Smyth can do.

Apparently, so does Coach Tippett....

"I talk about players being smart, they figure out when they can get calls. That's a concern," said Phoenix Coyotes coach Dave Tippett, also on hand for the rules summit. "I was glad to see the players in the meeting were concerned with it also. It's an area of our game that I think we can clean up."

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[the canadian dream]

Is t just me or was there less diving in the clutch and grab days of the league?



I actually don't mind a little diving here and there. I do hate the blatant ones that never get called though. Crack down on the gun shot wound diving and I'll be happy. You can leave the subtle ones in though I kind of like em and see it as an art form sometimes. But I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. Makes for a bigger mess if you call some and not others..I think that's why we never see them called at all anymore.

 

[winos5]

I guess it is too much to ask to see the instigator rule go bye bye.

 

[the canadian dream]

I guess it is too much to ask to see the instigator rule go bye bye.

The league seems pretty firm on that one and don't appear they will budge anytime soon. Not even sure if they even discuss it much in meetings.



It has it's supporters and haters the instigator. Not sure if it would ease up the diving but I am in the camp where I think it would make players think twice about the hair pulling and biting nonsense which has increased. Dirty plays always going to be there but the levels it's at now is pretty bad. Guys like Gordie Howe were great cheap shot artists but I don't think he ever pulled a guys hair or bit someone.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I can picture this rule being debated by certain D-men trying to do their job, especially the stay-at-home ones. What do you do then... just let the player go? -.- What the hell is a defenseman for if he can't do his job?



This isn't basketball.

If you don't allow a defenseman to just stand, not make contact, but stand in front of an oncoming forechecker while your D partner is getting the puck, you are essentially increasing concussions and or major injuries ten fold.



I like how Tippett and Bieksa are there to talk about diving.



Pot, meet kettle...

 

[Shantz My Pants]

The league seems pretty firm on that one and don't appear they will budge anytime soon. Not even sure if they even discuss it much in meetings.



It has it's supporters and haters the instigator. Not sure if it would ease up the diving but I am in the camp where I think it would make players think twice about the hair pulling and biting nonsense which has increased. Dirty plays always going to be there but the levels it's at now is pretty bad. Guys like Gordie Howe were great cheap shot artists but I don't think he ever pulled a guys hair or bit someone.

Things are changing in that regard. Only 53% of players polled wanted it to stay mandated.



http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/02/should-instigator-rule-be-abolished.html?cmp=rss

 

[MassHavoc]

Is t just me or was there less diving in the clutch and grab days of the league?



I actually don't mind a little diving here and there. I do hate the blatant ones that never get called though. Crack down on the gun shot wound diving and I'll be happy. You can leave the subtle ones in though I kind of like em and see it as an art form sometimes. But I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. Makes for a bigger mess if you call some and not others..I think that's why we never see them called at all anymore.

I can see where you are going with this. You are more ok with what I would call Embellishment, than diving. As in, Diving is the lone gun man on the grassy knoll stuff. Someone skating by and you falling. Someone holding their face because a stick wizzed by it. And embellishing is something actually happening and them making it worse than what it is. Like a slash that the guy goes down for to embellish and make sure they get the call?



Me personally. I don't want any of that shit. I want them to play the fucking game like the refs aren't there. Don't play to get a whistle, play to hear the horn.